Should There Be Uniforms In Schools?

[Range_This11]

 

History's never written by the one who lost.

 

This has nothing to do with who wins wars or who loses them, rather that American propaganda and nationalism is shoved down our throats from an early age.

[Lenticular_J]

I was just trying to bring up the point that while it is heavily biased towards America, there's no such thing as unbiased history. It's always written by the winner.

[Range_This11]

Maybe in lower level history classes but in college level courses, history is quite subjective. The only bias comes from which author writes it or which edition it is.

[Giordano]

Maybe in lower level history classes but in college level courses, history is quite subjective. The only bias comes from which author writes it or which edition it is.

 

The winning author.

[Range_This11]

 

The winning author.

 

I hope you're kidding -.-

 

 

 

The authors of current textbooks are writing them right now.

[jemathonical]

I didn't know that wearing a normal clothes made you creative. And that school uniforms are propoganda.

 

 

 

When you go into the workforce, are you going to piss and moan about having to wear a uniform because it means your boss is a dictator and won't let you 'express yourself' at work? He'll tell you where to go.

[Riku3220]

I didn't know that wearing a normal clothes made you creative. And that school uniforms are propoganda.

 

 

 

When you go into the workforce, are you going to piss and moan about having to wear a uniform because it means your boss is a dictator and won't let you 'express yourself' at work? He'll tell you where to go.

 

Uniforms aren't going to make the behavior of the people at my school any better. In fact it'll have just the opposite of that. And like I said before, if kids are comfortable then they'll sit still longer, which is why a propose schools start buying some Lay-Z-Boys for chairs.

[Giordano]

 

The winning author.

 

I hope you're kidding -.-

 

 

 

The authors of current textbooks are writing them right now.

 

But they aren't the original recorders of the event. Current authors are getting their info from somebody who got it from somebody else who got it from somebody else who got it from somebody else, etc etc etc, until we hit the original recorder. Whom, by human nature, wrote his side of the story grandeur compared to the enemies' side.

[Range_This11]

 

But they aren't the original recorders of the event. Current authors are getting their info from somebody who got it from somebody else who got it from somebody else who got it from somebody else, etc etc etc, until we hit the original recorder. Whom, by human nature, wrote his side of the story grandeur compared to the enemies' side.

 

Yeah, because everything that has ever happened in history has been determined by a war and when there was a war, the loser was obviously completely eradicated along with all their histories. After which the victors immediately ordered their soldiers to immediately kill anyone who was caught recording the events that had just happened.

 

 

 

Are you really going to try to continue this with me?

[____]

I didn't know that wearing a normal clothes made you creative. And that school uniforms are propoganda.

 

 

 

When you go into the workforce, are you going to piss and moan about having to wear a uniform because it means your boss is a dictator and won't let you 'express yourself' at work? He'll tell you where to go.

 

Too right, then you can factor in safety... uniformed students makes identifying people who shouldn't be within the school boundries. Maybe a bit of pride in the school you attend (and represent) rather than your own self-gratification to "look good", and so on.

 

 

 

 

 

Uniforms have been through my entire education except for university. And I really didn't give it a second thought, I may have disliked some dress-code standads some power-trippy administration wanted to enforce but at the end of it having a cry isn't going to achieve much. Also, once you hit the work force, in most jobs it is a uniform or no job, fairly simple concept to grasps... and for most people it will be a uniform of some type (even a strict dress code) till you essentially retire. Self expression is from your mind and actions, the clothing you wears is essentially a cheap cop-out to the real methodologies.

 

 

 

 

 

If you feel that the clothes you wear is the only outlet you have to express yourself effectively then you aren't trying hard enough, if at all.

[Riku3220]

I didn't know that wearing a normal clothes made you creative. And that school uniforms are propoganda.

 

 

 

When you go into the workforce, are you going to piss and moan about having to wear a uniform because it means your boss is a dictator and won't let you 'express yourself' at work? He'll tell you where to go.

 

Too right, then you can factor in safety... uniformed students makes identifying people who shouldn't be within the school boundries. Maybe a bit of pride in the school you attend (and represent) rather than your own self-gratification to "look good", and so on.

 

 

 

 

 

Uniforms have been through my entire education except for university. And I really didn't give it a second thought, I may have disliked some dress-code standads some power-trippy administration wanted to enforce but at the end of it having a cry isn't going to achieve much. Also, once you hit the work force, in most jobs it is a uniform or no job, fairly simple concept to grasps... and for most people it will be a uniform of some type (even a strict dress code) till you essentially retire. Self expression is from your mind and actions, the clothing you wears is essentially a cheap cop-out to the real methodologies.

 

 

 

 

 

If you feel that the clothes you wear is the only outlet you have to express yourself effectively then you aren't trying hard enough, if at all.

 

Why exactly do we need a full uniform to tell if we belong in the school or not? My school just uses I.D.s and you can't get in without one on.

 

 

 

Pride in the school? How are uniforms going to make anyone like their school anymore than they already do? It's only going to make it worse.

 

 

 

And do realize that it's customer service jobs that mainly require a uniform everywhere else like in an office just requires something a little former.

 

 

 

School uniforms have no benefit to anyone except the school.

[Faux]

Why exactly do we need a full uniform to tell if we belong in the school or not? My school just uses I.D.s and you can't get in without one on.

 

 

 

Pride in the school? How are uniforms going to make anyone like their school anymore than they already do? It's only going to make it worse.

 

 

 

And do realize that it's customer service jobs that mainly require a uniform everywhere else like in an office just requires something a little former.

 

 

 

School uniforms have no benefit to anyone except the school.

 

 

 

No one forces you to go to a school that requires uniform. Here, public schools don't have any dress codes. Only private/catholic schools do. If uniform is that much of a deal for you, then you shouldn't have signed up to the school to begin with.

 

 

 

School uniforms benefit the school and the parents.

[____]

@riku3220: When you can reply to a post with more than one-liner's as to why you disagree with points brough forth I might actually take the time to expand on what I initially said. But to kick things off, HOW do uniforms benifit the school ONLY.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and unless your school is more secure than most restricted government buildings, I think you're exagurating a lot on requiring an ID to even get into your school.

[IGoddessI]

Rick, go to bed :lol: Jeez these people from brisbane staying up to 2am on a thursday night.. :P

 

 

 

Personally I like the idea of uniforms for these reasons:

 

 

 

* I can't stand the competition to wear trendy clothes

 

 

 

* Representing the school - imagine turning up to a sporting event against other schools in mid-drift t-shirts, baggy jeans while your team mate is wearing flower power gear. Peace. Man. Shot put. What. ID tags? Yeah no, you'll still look like a tosser.

 

 

 

* Easily identified - If you're somewhere you shouldn't be and aren't smart enough to change your clothes

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I don't think uniforms should be worn in public schools. They don't stop teasing, as people will always find another thing to tease you for. An example could be weight. And some families can't afford them and since the chances of them being free are slim to none, their kids wouldn't be able to get any. Dress codes are needed, but uniforms should be restricted to private schools.

 

 

 

I didn't know that wearing a normal clothes made you creative. And that school uniforms are propoganda.

 

 

 

When you go into the workforce, are you going to piss and moan about having to wear a uniform because it means your boss is a dictator and won't let you 'express yourself' at work? He'll tell you where to go.

 

I'll ignore the "expressing yourself" part as there are plenty of ways to do that without clothing being one of them. But I will say this:

 

 

 

You usually don't have to pay for work uniforms upfront. They either provide them free or they can take them out of your pay. And depending on your job, uniforms are really necessary. Take my job for example. I work near and with exposed food material that the company plans to sell. If I go in in my "street clothes" and get some foreign substance in the mix, they can't sell it and lose a huge profit. So they provide us with a number of uniforms each.

[Maze]

Why exactly do we need a full uniform to tell if we belong in the school or not? My school just uses I.D.s and you can't get in without one on.

 

 

 

Pride in the school? How are uniforms going to make anyone like their school anymore than they already do? It's only going to make it worse.

 

 

 

And do realize that it's customer service jobs that mainly require a uniform everywhere else like in an office just requires something a little former.

 

 

 

School uniforms have no benefit to anyone except the school.

 

 

 

No one forces you to go to a school that requires uniform. Here, public schools don't have any dress codes. Only private/catholic schools do. If uniform is that much of a deal for you, then you shouldn't have signed up to the school to begin with.

 

 

 

School uniforms benefit the school and the parents.

 

 

 

How does it benefit the parents? Making them spend more of their hard earned money? They would have to spend money for the uniforms, clothes to wear after school and on the weekends, and gym clothes. That can add up, especially for poor families.

[Will H]

I'm all for school uniforms, and most schools near me now employ that system. Frankly, if you can't 'express yourself' without the use of clothes and meaningless fashion trends, you aren't doing it right.

 

 

 

I reckon it's got something to do with altering the society that forms amongst pupils, it's an influence that draws them together slightly. You're still going to get groups, no matter what, but having a uniform makes it difficult to detach yourself from your school, physically and socially. Think of it as a small force that binds everything together in the school, and that can't be a bad thing considering the educational situation we have right now.

 

 

 

Of course, there's got to be limits regarding cost, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be part of the whole process. As long as the materials that the uniform is made of is of good quality, and yet not too expensive, it doesn't actually pose as much of a difference as you'd think compared to not having school uniform. You'd just end up wearing out and replacing your regular clothes quicker instead.

[WoodenFruit]

I don't think uniforms should be worn in public schools. They don't stop teasing, as people will always find another thing to tease you for. An example could be weight. And some families can't afford them and since the chances of them being free are slim to none, their kids wouldn't be able to get any. Dress codes are needed, but uniforms should be restricted to private schools.

 

 

 

Nothing will stop teasing, but when kids wear their normal clothes to school there's extra things for them to be teased about, their fashion sense and style or if they wore that particular piece of clothing a few days ago or not, kids will be constantly judging eachother and paying way to much attention on their clothes...

[Faux]

 

How does it benefit the parents? Making them spend more of their hard earned money? They would have to spend money for the uniforms, clothes to wear after school and on the weekends, and gym clothes. That can add up, especially for poor families.

 

Maybe there's a difference in how peeps socialize in your area, but in my school, people notice what you wear. It doesn't work well (as nicely as I can put it) if you're wearing the same thing over and over. I bought my uniform and the only thing that I had to replace were my slacks. If we didn't have uniform, people would've bought new clothes because they have to.

[Racheya]

 

How does it benefit the parents? Making them spend more of their hard earned money? They would have to spend money for the uniforms, clothes to wear after school and on the weekends, and gym clothes. That can add up, especially for poor families.

 

Maybe there's a difference in how peeps socialize in your area, but in my school, people notice what you wear. It doesn't work well (as nicely as I can put it) if you're wearing the same thing over and over. I bought my uniform and the only thing that I had to replace were my slacks. If we didn't have uniform, people would've bought new clothes because they have to.

 

Here's the problem though:

 

 

 

£20 school jumper or £2 cheap t-shirt... that's the only issue I have with school uniforms is the cost which schools do tend to drive up a lot. My secondary was horrible for making sure you had the right pants and jumper and they took your shoes if they weren't all black...

[Lenticular_J]

Some of the schools you guys go to actually take security seriously.

 

 

 

Anybody can just walk around my school. Our doors aren't even locked.

[Distracted]

No, they shouldn't have a school uniform or anything in the like, I mean, we should dress freely but with limitations (that made more sense in my head).

 

 

 

I mean, you can wear normal clothing, but IMO subculture clothing just shouldn't be allowed at school. Yeah, I few people got kicked out of school for having controversial clothing or hairstyles here in Belgium (and the [cabbage]heads thought it was a big deal and got it published in newspapers and such), but it's just a way of getting attention.

 

 

 

So yeah, normal clothing with limitations, no school uniforms. The maximum is a specific colour everyone has to wear (for example, everyone needs to be wearing jeans and something blue every day). At least you're still free wear what you want, as long as it's blue.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: school rules should be more specific. They say "Extravagant hairstyles" aren't allowed, but they don't specify what they mean. Do they mean having lines shaved in it? Or do they mean mohawks? ...

[ElkNight]

Some of the schools you guys go to actually take security seriously.

 

 

 

Anybody can just walk around my school. Our doors aren't even locked.

 

My school requires ID badges to be worn (Which only like 10% of the people actually wear them.)

[RichieMcD]

I don't think uniforms should be worn in public schools. They don't stop teasing, as people will always find another thing to tease you for. An example could be weight. And some families can't afford them and since the chances of them being free are slim to none, their kids wouldn't be able to get any. Dress codes are needed, but uniforms should be restricted to private schools.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Public or Private makes no difference, people will get "teased", if you let it get to you you're just as pathetic as the "teasers". If anything uniforms will be more beneficial to poor families than standard clothing will be considering it's the social normality to wear different clothes everyday in non-uniform schools while in uniform schools to get through the week, you need your jumper, slacks and a 2-3 shirts, which can be relatively cheap.

 

 

 

Having attended both forms of school, uniform and non-uniform, the first was much cheaper in terms of clothes. My uniform at the cheapest price for this year would be around 60-70 euro, that will last me the year if I don't screw about in it. In the non-uniform school I attended, the clothes I wore could cost anywhere from 100-200 euro in total for what I was wearing and I'd wear something different everyday.

 

 

 

Now, all I need is essentially 3-4 changes of clothes for going out ad I'll only need them for the weekend. It's much cheaper in the long run considering there's also much less "wear and tear" on my normal clothes as school uniforms tend to be pretty well made, I've gone through about 2 pairs of slacks, couple of cheap shirts and a jumper in the two years I've attended an uniform school, all adding up to about 80 euro in total.

 

 

 

Also, having experienced both, uniform and non-uniform, I prefer having uniform. It makes it a lot easier to prepare for school but also seems to create a friendlier environment.

[Racheya]

At my secondary there were gates and all that, people usually didn't get in but I'm sure they could if they tried.

 

 

 

At my 6th form now we have ID badges and we have to swipe them to get up to the levels with classrooms and there's a security guard on in the morning but if he's not there you can just slip in when someone else goes through the door. I've done it myself once when I forgot my card.