Not that it really matters but i have tried using the rune mace in f2p and it doesnt do any better then a rune scim. Even though it has more cruch attack.

 

 

 

Sorry everyone, totally off topic, but am I the only one who cringed when he read this.

 

 

 

Cruch Attack... OUCH

 

 

 

Teeg

 

CRUTCH ATTACK!

 

 

 

On topic:

 

Ice Blitz+Dmace You tried?

Not that it really matters but i have tried using the rune mace in f2p and it doesnt do any better then a rune scim. Even though it has more cruch attack.

 

 

 

Sorry everyone, totally off topic, but am I the only one who cringed when he read this.

 

 

 

Cruch Attack... OUCH

 

 

 

Teeg

 

CRUTCH ATTACK!

 

 

 

On topic:

 

Ice Blitz+Dmace You tried?

 

:lol: Even ags can barely kill anyone... why would a mace work?

In pvp, the dds is usually favored because it hits faster than a mace. For finishes maybe the mace is better because it's accurate, but for one itemers its favored because of the poison and decent spec. The only problem with it that one itemers dont seem to get is that the dds doesnt reach the 75k needed for a drop.

 

 

 

Several monsters are weak to crush and players usually have a lower crush def than stab/slash, but that doesn't mean anything in pking. what matters is the fastest damage. Even though metal dragons are weak to stab, it has been proven that whip is far more effective. The only time players really try to pick on weaknesses are at waterfiends and corp beast because you need to do really quick damage before they hurt you too much. But for players? there are no fast crush weapons unless you use a sara sword or zammy spear on crush. And a whip+rune defender is far superior than either. The godsword can be arguably better, but most people don't even set it to crush when they pk; I have no idea why.

The only time I would use either would be for 1 iteming... so... yeah, niether are really good pking weapons anyway.

DDS is better than dmace and dlong, no questions about it, not even debateable. DDS has better max, better average, faster speed, poison for a little extra damage (raises your average damage per minute by 18 damage or so), ect ect.

 

 

 

Dclaw and AGS are the only two melee weapons that can compare to dds KOs.

 

 

 

Can't forget about stat hammer and vesta's long. I havn't seen many stat hamer specs, but vesta's long can realistically chop someone to bits with 2 specs.

 

 

 

I've also seen some people do ok with a sara sword, though i would still prefer whip + dds to it.

And the Dragon Long is still under-ratted. It's very accurate and deals heavy damage.

it comes down to your attack level.

 

d mace is slow and inaccurate but capable of gigantic hits

 

dds is.. the dds. fast and capable of good hits but somewhat inaccurate against good defense.

 

 

 

edit: also i saw a guy hitting 40's with a d long.. totally unexpected and deadly

I always thought dds had higher damage potential in one hit than a d mace has.

 

 

 

d mace is slow and inaccurate but capable of gigantic hits

 

 

 

Slow, inaccurate, and the "gigantic hits" are still less than DDS.

 

 

 

dds is.. the dds. fast and capable of good hits but somewhat inaccurate against good defense.

 

 

 

Fast, inaccurate (More so than mace probably) and has far higher hits.

25% extra damage is nothing special.

 

 

 

Now nearly double damage, thats something special.

 

 

 

Also, they are both inaccurate, but DDS poisons, hits higher, can attack faster (can still spec fast if your first ko fails) And only uses 25% of the attack bar.

 

Dragon Longsword and Dragon Mace only takes up 25% per spec as well.

 

 

 

So, conclusions:

 

-Dragon Longsword: Accuracy + Damage Boost, Slow, not very consistent

 

-Dragon Mace: Decreased Accuracy, Great Damage Boost, Slow, not very consistent

 

-DDS: Decreased Accuracy, No change in damage, hits 2x per spec, poisons, faster than both of the above, quite consistent

 

 

 

You see, DDS has more advantages than both D Long and D Mace. D Long and D Mace may have KO potential, but if you hit a 0 with either of these, you're pretty much doomed. A DDS does 2 hits at once, therefore there is double chance that the DDS will hit.

 

 

 

Which means:

 

DDS > D Long > D Mace.

The lack of mention of the Granite Maul disturbs me. It is one of the most lethal weapons in all of Runescape for finishing off whoever you are killing. It's max is in the mid-40s (I think), but keeping in mind that a user will most likely be in Pking gear, the max can be in the low 40s... for one of its 2-3 hits. (2 if you decided to hit with something like an Anchor then switch and spec) And it is a Crush Weapon. 120+ damage is you get lucky. 75+ Damage on average.

 

 

 

The reason people don't use it much is because it is a hit or miss weapon. But who cares? G Maul for life.

 

 

 

inb4someonewhothinkstheycanchangemyopinionbypresenting"facts"thathavenouseatallwhenpresentedtome.Crazyillogicalftw.

The lack of mention of the Granite Maul disturbs me. It is one of the most lethal weapons in all of Runescape for finishing off whoever you are killing. It's max is in the mid-40s (I think), but keeping in mind that a user will most likely be in Pking gear, the max can be in the low 40s... for one of its 2-3 hits. (2 if you decided to hit with something like an Anchor then switch and spec) And it is a Crush Weapon. 120+ damage is you get lucky. 75+ Damage on average.

 

 

 

The reason people don't use it much is because it is a hit or miss weapon. But who cares? G Maul for life.

 

 

 

inb4someonewhothinkstheycanchangemyopinionbypresenting"facts"thathavenouseatallwhenpresentedtome.Crazyillogicalftw.

 

 

 

You only get two specs.

The lack of mention of the Granite Maul disturbs me. It is one of the most lethal weapons in all of Runescape for finishing off whoever you are killing. It's max is in the mid-40s (I think), but keeping in mind that a user will most likely be in Pking gear, the max can be in the low 40s... for one of its 2-3 hits. (2 if you decided to hit with something like an Anchor then switch and spec) And it is a Crush Weapon. 120+ damage is you get lucky. 75+ Damage on average.

 

 

 

The reason people don't use it much is because it is a hit or miss weapon. But who cares? G Maul for life.

 

 

 

inb4someonewhothinkstheycanchangemyopinionbypresenting"facts"thathavenouseatallwhenpresentedtome.Crazyillogicalftw.

 

 

 

You only get two specs.

 

 

 

You should have just said, "Did Not Read."

 

 

 

So you can correct your error, read the line after the small brick of text.

 

 

 

And, if you did read it, and you posted anyway, your assumption that I didn't know that astounds logic. =D>

The lack of mention of the Granite Maul disturbs me. It is one of the most lethal weapons in all of Runescape for finishing off whoever you are killing. It's max is in the mid-40s (I think), but keeping in mind that a user will most likely be in Pking gear, the max can be in the low 40s... for one of its 2-3 hits. (2 if you decided to hit with something like an Anchor then switch and spec) And it is a Crush Weapon. 120+ damage is you get lucky. 75+ Damage on average.

 

 

 

The reason people don't use it much is because it is a hit or miss weapon. But who cares? G Maul for life.

 

 

 

inb4someonewhothinkstheycanchangemyopinionbypresenting"facts"thathavenouseatallwhenpresentedtome.Crazyillogicalftw.

 

 

 

You only get two specs.

 

 

 

You should have just said, "Did Not Read."

 

 

 

So you can correct your error, read the line after the small brick of text.

 

 

 

And, if you did read it, and you posted anyway, your assumption that I didn't know that astounds logic. =D>

 

 

 

Then you are a liar.

 

Then you are a liar.

 

 

 

I assume you have some sort of logic behind this. Present it so I can prove you wrong. :D

 

Then you are a liar.

 

 

 

I assume you have some sort of logic behind this. Present it so I can prove you wrong. :D

 

 

 

You said g mauls were lethal. They clearly aren't and you've basically admitted that, twice.

 

Then you are a liar.

 

 

 

I assume you have some sort of logic behind this. Present it so I can prove you wrong. :D

 

 

 

You said g mauls were lethal. They clearly aren't and you've basically admitted that, twice.

 

 

 

Ah, so your logic WAS as faulty as a thought. From my first post:

 

 

 

...It is one of the most lethal weapons in all of Runescape for finishing off whoever you are killing...

 

 

 

Now, because I must deal with 2 arguments you can bring up, let me do the first. In the case of you saying "the G Maul is not Lethal in the presented circumstance." This is wrong because at 30ish Hp (this is high-level, mind you. I hit them, they fell low, they ate) any weapon that has a spec that deals additional damage when compared to its max, or becomes far more accurate, becomes Lethal. In total, the Granite Maul can deal up to around 120 damage. And, in Runescape, hitting 90 more then is needed is great. Hitting 35 more then is needed is better. Again, it is a one-use type of thing. If you fail, you no longer will have a good chance at killing.

 

 

 

Now, for the second: "The G maul isn't lethal. At all."

 

 

 

Now, I'd be ignorant to assume that you are 100% ftp in your time playing Runescape. If so, you shouldn't even be commenting. But, my better judgement takes hold.

 

 

 

1 Def Pures like it because all 3 hits will likely hit. Considering their opponent will have ~1 defence, or low defence, and low HP, and the Maul's Max at around the time the 1 Def pures get true good use from it is around the Mid 20s, it is one of the best options for KO and can even lead to a "one spec, one kill" situation. This is what we call lethality.

 

 

 

As the defence spectrum increases, lowered use grows do to relative inaccuracy. As strength grows, possible lethality grows. Simple, huh? It is my weapon of choice because it has a high risk-reward trade-off. I'd rather kill my opponent right then and there with high potential to only need one hit to kill them then hit them with a dagger spec and hope for the best. And it has a reasonable cost. Screw up and say good-bye to 16-60+ million because the only ones that do the Maul's job better are at that price range.

 

 

 

Off course, you'll come up with a "I meant this" type of thing. When you do, I'll counter that to. Because I have more free time then I need.

 

 

 

So, they clearly ARE lethal and I never admitted to it, twice.

Wait, I thought you weren't going to try to defend yourself. Since that's what your line of small text says, which you told me to read.

 

 

 

If they're at 30hp you can pull out a DDS and destroy them; using up 25% of the spec bar instead of 100%. The DDS gives you four opportunities to kill them as opposed to one for the maul.

If they're at 30hp you can pull out a DDS and destroy them; using up 25% of the spec bar instead of 100%. The DDS gives you four opportunities to kill them as opposed to one for the maul.

 

 

 

The error margin with the DDS is much larger then the G Maul's. And by error margin, even with a defender, that thing fails me to much. I would rather kill them with the Maul because, if you DO use it's spec, 90% of the time it results in death. If this isn't the case, you ARE DOING IT WRONG. Or are a Pjer, who needs to be shot on the spot, but I digress.

 

 

 

The DDS has a higher fail rate offset by it's 4 specs. If it makes it more reliable to you, then have at you. It doesn't to me. I use the Maul and get a higher Kill/Opponent ratio.

 

 

 

Now, to point something out to the reader: nice change of topic on the part of the challenger to my theory. It means you lose in a debate.

the whole "crush/slash" thing is EXTREMELY overrated except against three MONSTERS. Metal Dragons are weak to stab, the CB is very weak to stab, and Waterfiends are weak to crush. Against players and everything else, what style you use makes very little difference.

 

 

 

I disagree... in my experience it can make a sizable difference.

Double postings. :-#

If they're at 30hp you can pull out a DDS and destroy them; using up 25% of the spec bar instead of 100%. The DDS gives you four opportunities to kill them as opposed to one for the maul.

 

 

 

The error margin with the DDS is much larger then the G Maul's. And by error margin, even with a defender, that thing fails me to much. I would rather kill them with the Maul because, if you DO use it's spec, 90% of the time it results in death. If this isn't the case, you ARE DOING IT WRONG. Or are a Pjer, who needs to be shot on the spot, but I digress.

 

 

 

The DDS has a higher fail rate offset by it's 4 specs. If it makes it more reliable to you, then have at you. It doesn't to me. I use the Maul and get a higher Kill/Opponent ratio.

 

 

 

Now, to point something out to the reader: nice change of topic on the part of the challenger to my theory. It means you lose in a debate.

 

 

 

The Granite maul is a joke, 9 times out of 10 it hits three 0s. Sure, it's good for the <60 combat group but for all else, it's terrible. After it fails, people most likely run from the fight. DDS is clearly better, with it's increased accuracy and strength bonus and a double hit all for only 25% of the special bar; it's very effective.

D mace is good on a high armoured guy and dds is best on mager/ranger

 

 

 

mace is slow.

 

 

 

I AM BACK!

You do know Dragon mace is very inaccurate right?

I guess I can add to this;

 

 

 

The D Mace is much better foraround 70-80 attack, anything higher and DDS specs would have a better chance of hitting.

 

Not to mention DDS Specs pierce through prayer MUCH better than a D Mace does.

On the subject of granite maul vs DDS, the maul has much higher KO ability.

 

 

 

Maul:

 

Higher max hit

 

Faster hits (3 isntantaneous, stronger hits)

 

more accuracy (the +82 crush dwarfs any accuracy bonus the dagger has, doesnt matter that the dagger special is given an accuracy bonus, this bonus WONT push its accuracy past the maul)

 

 

 

Now that's not to say the DDS is innefective, but if you're going for KO potential, you want to do it as fast as possible (see rushing) so, the maul can bust out 3 instant hits all dealing well over 40, but the DDS can only do a max of 2 fast hits at a time.

 

 

 

DDS is slower between specials than the maul is in dealing its full special bar, so while the DDS has more chances to hit, the maul gets higher accuracy, higher damage, and faster hits (during the special).

 

 

 

trying to say the maul is not lethal at all is a weak argument that wont stand- its a highly efficient killing machine, but has less uses than a DDS. the DDS is weaker, but gives you 4 separate specials, the maul gives you a higher KO potential, but less chances to use it.