10th July 2009 - The Jagex Anti-Hijack System and DevBlog

[Drow4]

Not only extra bank space but if it is as secure as they make out then no need for having to enter a bank pin every time I log in.

 

Interesting.

[toast647]

With the Jagex security key, we would be so confident that your account is secure that we could consider adding expanded bank space to those accounts that are protected by the Jagex security key.

 

 

 

Sounds like a good deal, if the price isn't too much. I probably wouldn't buy it though never ever had a full bank in P2P and I don't see how anyone could get on my account.

[jettrider]

I really don't get it. How does account security have anything to do with bank space? Wow....it is so clear that they are just trying to sell bank space.

 

If you don't get it, how can it be clear...hmm. Might want to work on that one.

 

 

 

To translate it for you - they have enough faith in the system that they would be willing to offer everyone that partook in it (Free, Member) some extra bank space. That's all it is. To be honest, most players don't use all of their bank space anyway, and those that are on Free usually manage their space with extreme fervor anyway, so at best, this is an incentive for those that go along with the program.

 

 

 

Are you trying to troll or did you seriously not understand what he was saying? He *doesn't get* what Jagex's bs logic was, and it was *clear* that they are offering free bankspace for another reason (to entice more people to buy their dongle).

 

 

 

More bank space != ability to keep more wealth because of increased security.

 

(If you didn't know already, != means "is not equal to")

 

No, it wasn't a troll. You'd have seen that had you read the rest of my reply.

 

 

 

I don't know what the fuss is about, even if they did offer increased bank space - it's an incentive. Nothing more. Do you not know what an incentive is? Because it doesn't seem like you do.

 

 

 

An incentive is something that makes a deal or offer more appealing.

 

In this case, it's a way for Jagex to get a lot of money in return for giving players unneeded, burdensome security.

 

 

 

As to the what Myweponsg00d was saying, he clearly understood that Jagex was trying to buff up their offer with extra bank space and that bank space is not related to security at all. Then you came along with the "let me spell it out for you" attitude when he had the concept under control. Sorry I leaped to the defense.

[Blutters]

I'll be buying one. That is, if it's guaranteed water-proof, and I can get my account name engraved/printed on it.

 

I've never been hacked. And I probably already never will; with a maxed password and PIN you really can't go wrong.

 

However, I like to immortalize all memorable experiences; In other words, have something tangible.

 

So if I can basically turn my RSA into something physical, then that's enough incentive.

 

 

 

The bank space is only a perk. Stop seeing it as anything else than an added incentive.

 

 

 

Materials cost money; JaGEx can't go 26k'ing in real life and give us all free hardware.

 

 

 

I hate how so many people on these and the RSOF are bashing JaGEx, but it's not unexpected.

 

You can tell them all day that it's optional and that they really can't complain about it, but they still will.

 

These are the kind of people and comments that give weight to some who say TIF is dying. The sheer negativity...

 

Next time, if you want to say something negative, then at least do it in a humorous fashion, and have something to back it up with, like Mtomali.

 

ILU 'Mali...

[Brave2]

In order to decide whether the anti-hijack system is right for you let's consider the pros and cons.

 

 

 

Pros :

 

1) It will prevent anyone ever hacking into your account

 

2) More bank space (the proposed encentive to use it)

 

 

 

Cons :

 

 

 

1) Yet another thing to enter on login - you already have a password and bank PIN

 

2) The system will have to be compatible with all PC operating systems; windows 2000 onwards, MacOS, Linux etc. etc. If Jagex miss even one of these out it will go against the founding priciple of being able to play RS on ANY PC irregardless of age, capacity, etc. Also, chances are that if you buy new PC it will have a different OS to the PC you have and you will have to buy another dongle.

 

3) You won't be able to play RS on public computers, eg. at libraries, or internet cafes, as the majority of these places do not allow you to plug hardware into their computers to reduce the risk of virus's etc.

 

4) You will have to buy the thing which makes a mockery of F2P as it will no longer be truly "free"

 

5) Chances are that if you are playing on a laptop you may not have a free USB port to insert the device into, so immediately you are disadvantaged which again goes against the founding principles of RS (see 2).

 

6) If the device works in the same way as similar devices I have come across if you lose it (or damage it) you will not be able to access RS again until you have persuaded Jagex that you have lost it, paid for a new one and waited for it to arrive. Depending on where in the world you live this could take several weeks.

 

 

 

Looking at the above list, it is obvious to me that the cons far outweigh the pros and, IMO, the idea, although sounding good at first, seems to be not very well thought out by Jagex. Also, as has been pointed out, anyone with half a brain knows not to give passwords to "friends" and to have a reliable virus checker on their PC.

 

 

 

I, for one, will not be taking advantage of this "offer" despite the "bribe" of extra bank space

[fat_klutz]

So your disappointed they are trying to defend player's security? My dad works for a multi-billion dollar company and they provide him with a security key for their site, and they have superb security. Why would it upset you they're trying to defend us? I don't think they are selling bank spaces, I think their intentions are pure. It's not like the keys are a force buy, so its still YOUR responsibility to keep your account safe if you choose to not buy it.

 

 

 

Online children's game=/=multi-billion dollar company

 

 

 

And I strongly disagree with them giving out bank spaces. Things like this start small. RS has its problems but at the core it is a great game because of its accessibility and cost. If Jagex starts releasing more thinks like this if I were you I would quit and start paying for another game.

 

 

 

That being said I'm not buying one because I don't search the internet for porn and download every random move file I find.

[Blutters]

Enter, crude concept art!

 

 

Am I close? :P

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

An incentive is something that makes a deal or offer more appealing.

 

 

 

Yes, that's the point. To make getting this dongle more appealing, they're offering you more bank space, in return. At least, it's on the table.

 

 

 

In this case, it's a way for Jagex to get a lot of money in return for giving players unneeded, burdensome security.

 

 

 

It might be unneeded in your eyes, but you do not speak for everyone here. Besides, paying $10 or $20 for that kind of security is a bargain.

 

 

 

As to the what Myweponsg00d was saying, he clearly understood that Jagex was trying to buff up their offer with extra bank space and that bank space is not related to security at all. Then you came along with the "let me spell it out for you" attitude when he had the concept under control. Sorry I leaped to the defense.

 

Advice: If you hop to the defense of something, it's best you know what you're on about, as well. He may have not seen the correlation between bank space and this USB device, but I've spelled it out - it's an incentive. Don't make it out to be something which it isn't, since that'll make you look foolish.

 

 

 

1) Yet another thing to enter on login - you already have a password and bank PIN

 

 

 

That's why it's optional, and that's why it would all but eliminate hacking. Hackers may be able to get your PIN and your password, but they would have to be very, very close to get your USB dongle. It doesn't rule out the possibility of being hacked, but it cuts it down extensively.

 

 

 

2) The system will have to be compatible with all PC operating systems; windows 2000 onwards, MacOS, Linux etc. etc. If Jagex miss even one of these out it will go against the founding priciple of being able to play RS on ANY PC irregardless of age, capacity, etc. Also, chances are that if you buy new PC it will have a different OS to the PC you have and you will have to buy another dongle.

 

 

 

You'd be able to argue this better if we knew the actual details for it. Chances are that it would work rather simplistically, in that it doesn't matter what OS is running it (probably written in Java) - all it would need would be to connect to the Jagex servers, affirm security, and so forth and so on.

 

 

 

3) You won't be able to play RS on public computers, eg. at libraries, or internet cafes, as the majority of these places do not allow you to plug hardware into their computers to reduce the risk of virus's etc.

 

 

 

No drawback there, really. The idea is that you shouldn't be playing there anyway, because of the amount of viruses/keyloggers already present in the systems...

 

 

 

4) You will have to buy the thing which makes a mockery of F2P as it will no longer be truly "free"

 

 

 

What world do you live in that security costs nothing?

 

 

 

 

 

5) Chances are that if you are playing on a laptop you may not have a free USB port to insert the device into, so immediately you are disadvantaged which again goes against the founding principles of RS (see 2).

 

 

 

Again, it's an option. And if you choose this option, believe me - you'll make room. I have 3 USB ports on my laptop, and at any given time, I use up to two of them. If I went with the dongle (which I probably will), then I'd make room for them, and still would only be using...2 USB ports.

 

 

 

6) If the device works in the same way as similar devices I have come across if you lose it (or damage it) you will not be able to access RS again until you have persuaded Jagex that you have lost it, paid for a new one and waited for it to arrive. Depending on where in the world you live this could take several weeks.

 

 

 

Exactly. This isn't any different than forgetting your password or PIN, or even your house keys. If you forget/lose that information, you have to convince someone that you're entitled to access that data. Best advice, if you do go with this option, is that you just don't lose it. Are you trying to tell me that you don't know how to keep things hidden and secure?

 

 

 

Looking at the above list, it is obvious to me that the cons far outweigh the pros and, IMO, the idea, although sounding good at first, seems to be not very well thought out by Jagex. Also, as has been pointed out, anyone with half a brain knows not to give passwords to "friends" and to have a reliable virus checker on their PC.

 

 

 

I, for one, will not be taking advantage of this "offer" despite the "bribe" of extra bank space

 

 

 

I'm starting to get tired of everyone insulting people that don't know account security. Just because they don't know how to keep passwords secure does not mean that they do not have "half a brain". It means that they don't fully understand the ramifications of it.

 

 

 

This idea is actually a nice one, and it would go far enough to keep accounts secure, since the concern for RWT now is keeping other people off of your account. This is a brilliant way to do it, provided that the keys were unique to that particular login session - it'd mean that even with the key, if they didn't have the device, they couldn't RWT.

 

 

 

Brave2, go back and think about this one for a bit. Do some research on physical research devices, and look into the benefits of it. Sure, it's one more thing to enter into a login, but consider that it's a way to ensure that your account is virtually impregnable.

 

 

 

It's a trade-off between convenience and security, and everything that's secure ain't convenient.

 

 

 

So your disappointed they are trying to defend player's security? My dad works for a multi-billion dollar company and they provide him with a security key for their site, and they have superb security. Why would it upset you they're trying to defend us? I don't think they are selling bank spaces, I think their intentions are pure. It's not like the keys are a force buy, so its still YOUR responsibility to keep your account safe if you choose to not buy it.

 

 

 

Online children's game=/=multi-billion dollar company

 

 

 

And I strongly disagree with them giving out bank spaces. Things like this start small. RS has its problems but at the core it is a great game because of its accessibility and cost. If Jagex starts releasing more thinks like this if I were you I would quit and start paying for another game.

 

 

 

That being said I'm not buying one because I don't search the internet for porn and download every random move file I find.

 

 

 

Seriously going to quit over an optional dongle? Why not save yourself the trouble and leave now?

 

 

 

Although I somewhat agree with you on the bank space thing; it's an incentive, but I wouldn't know how well it would work out.

 

 

 

Lastly, before I wrap up, the incentive is simply on the table. It's not written in stone. In fact, none of this is. So try not to make too much a fuss about it. I have more faith in TIF than what I'm seeing.

[whocares]

As my friend said, they are trying to kill RS so everyone switches to Mechscape.

 

 

 

On another note, Stop with the Mega sigs, its noobish and annoying.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

On another note, Stop with the Mega sigs, its noobish and annoying.

 

I think Imageshack was hacked. I'll be taking mine down now...

[n64jive]

ironic isn't it? multiple people claiming that they don't need a keyfob for runescape because they are smart enough to secure their computer, yet all of a sudden it seems a group of hackers have teamed together to take down many secure systems in order to prove a point.

 

 

 

Ironic...

[Blutters]

@Brave/Makoto:

 

As I understand it, these things don't plug into the computer at all, eliminating most of Brave's issues.

 

First of all, it's not a program or a USB device. It's a device that is never connected to your computer, or the internet, which makes it 100% impossible for anyone else to figure out the code. You don't plug it into your computer, you just press the button on it, it displays a 6-8 digit code, and you enter the code in instead of your p---word. The code changes every 60 seconds (and older codes don't work), and each code can only be used once.

 

[whocares]

Looks like Runescape is next in line after Imageshack.

[Dirkmetal]

Sounds good for people with bad connections that need to relogin every time they lag out about every 10 minutes.

 

 

 

If it takes 10 seconds to use then, and you log oh lets say 6 times a day then you are wasting 6 hours a year.

 

 

 

So lets say that 5k people buy, and use this thing, collectively they have wasted 30,000 hours, = 1250 days, = 41 months, = 3.47 years!

 

 

 

Good job Jagex, you wasted 3 and 1/2 years!

 

 

 

*edit*

 

But what if 7k people buy it?

 

What if 10k people buy it?

 

What if everyone logs in more then 6 times a day?

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

@Brave/Makoto:

 

As I understand it, these things don't plug into the computer at all, eliminating most of Brave's issues.

 

First of all, it's not a program or a USB device. It's a device that is never connected to your computer, or the internet, which makes it 100% impossible for anyone else to figure out the code. You don't plug it into your computer, you just press the button on it, it displays a 6-8 digit code, and you enter the code in instead of your p---word. The code changes every 60 seconds (and older codes don't work), and each code can only be used once.

 

 

Perhaps that's how it would work. When I read "dongle", it usually referred to something that physically hung off of your PC. If it did work the other way, depending on how many possible connections, I'm not 100% sure that we'd keep getting numbers for us to use. I mean, 1 billion logins sounds nice, but unlimited is better...

[jettrider]

In this case, it's a way for Jagex to get a lot of money in return for giving players unneeded, burdensome security.

 

 

 

It might be unneeded in your eyes, but you do not speak for everyone here. Besides, paying $10 or $20 for that kind of security is a bargain.

 

 

 

If ya say so. I'm sure that at the $10 price, Jagex will break even at least, and at the $20 price they will profit wildly. They wouldn't offer it otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

As to the what Myweponsg00d was saying, he clearly understood that Jagex was trying to buff up their offer with extra bank space and that bank space is not related to security at all. Then you came along with the "let me spell it out for you" attitude when he had the concept under control. Sorry I leaped to the defense.

 

Advice: If you hop to the defense of something, it's best you know what you're on about, as well. He may have not seen the correlation between bank space and this USB device, but I've spelled it out - it's an incentive. Don't make it out to be something which it isn't, since that'll make you look foolish.

 

 

 

Let's just drop this, cause it's beneath us. All three of us understand that an advanced security is NOT a reason to get more bank space - it's the incentive to buy this security for those who are on the fence. After reading both posts I was rubbed the wrong way by your post so I pointed it out. If you still maintain that he didn't understand the reasons for it, we'll just drop it there because it's such a minor point.

[Maleficus1055]

You have got to he kidding me, anyone with half a god damn brain knows how to keep their account safe.

 

 

 

Some people have idiotic brothers who download peculiar things which have keyloggers in them.

 

 

 

 

 

Some people have idiotic brothers who used to get keyloggers and get their brother's accounts hacked for fun.

[Meta_Mucil]

This is a standard RSA FOB. They have figured out how to bind them with your user account. We implement this kind of security where I work. Very interesting to see Jagex use this security method...very innovative as well

[Dragons_Might]

Sounds good for people with bad connections that need to relogin every time they lag out about every 10 minutes.

 

 

 

If it takes 10 seconds to use then, and you log oh lets say 6 times a day then you are wasting 6 hours a year.

 

 

 

So lets say that 5k people buy, and use this thing, collectively they have wasted 30,000 hours, = 1250 days, = 41 months, = 3.47 years!

 

 

 

Good job Jagex, you wasted 3 and 1/2 years!

 

 

 

*edit*

 

But what if 7k people buy it?

 

What if 10k people buy it?

 

What if everyone logs in more then 6 times a day?

 

 

 

And what if, without buying it, even 10 of those 5k accounts would have been hacked. It just saved 10 accounts, which is alot of time.

 

 

 

Main point in that, if you have it, and you otherwise could have gotton hacked (Say, you get some virus accidently). It could save your work on an account you've had anywhere from a week to 5 - 8 years. I don't know, I think it's better than losing that much work....

[Knotch_Blade]

People who are complaining about RWT need to shut the hell up.

 

 

 

The bankspace offered is an incentive, either for more $$ for Jagex or for your security.

 

 

 

Think of this bankspace as an upgrade, if you pay for Members, you pay for an "upgraded RuneScape". If you pay for bankspace, you are paying for a further "updated RuneScape"...

[Lets_3ekout]

Sounds good for people with bad connections that need to relogin every time they lag out about every 10 minutes.

 

 

 

If it takes 10 seconds to use then, and you log oh lets say 6 times a day then you are wasting 6 hours a year.

 

 

 

So lets say that 5k people buy, and use this thing, collectively they have wasted 30,000 hours, = 1250 days, = 41 months, = 3.47 years!

 

 

 

Good job Jagex, you wasted 3 and 1/2 years!

 

 

 

*edit*

 

But what if 7k people buy it?

 

What if 10k people buy it?

 

What if everyone logs in more then 6 times a day?

 

What? You're talking absolute non-sense. Firstly, this is optional, if you value your 10 seconds so much over your account (in which many people have invested thousands of HOURS) you don't have to get it.

 

 

 

Using the same logic as you, no one should have babies either. Do you know how much it costs to raise one? I can't remember exact figures, but from memory, it's over a quarter of a million US dollars to raise one to the age where s/he can legally move out by themselves. If you consider the billions of people around the world, that's TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS! Quick! Everyone stop having babies, it's inefficient!

 

 

 

 

 

As for the topic, I'd love one of these things. I'd pay $20 for it, but I'd gladly pay $20 for bank space as well :P I'm a little confused as to how they will work though, would they plug into a USB port? I hope they won't be purely wireless, since I only use wired :(

[GlowinRedM]

I like the idea of the antihijack thing, cause by the sounds of it I can just type a short code and be logged in. Faster logins ftw

[Birdd]

Um. Let me clear up what the actual device is. It's a little keychain and it had a small screen on it that every 10 minutes or so randomly generates a new 6 - number long code that would become your password. It changes codes and can re-use old ones so therefore has unlimited uses, to whoever said it had a million log ins or whatever. I do believe they are offering to replace your entire password with just those 6 digits. It's not a usb plug, it doesn't need to plug in, the battery is light charged like a small calculator, and it doesnt take anymore time to look at it and type it in than it does a password and therefore is not wasting time.

 

 

 

Edit: Jagex would not profit off this at all, the cost thing they're offering is to see if it's worth their time in investing these, because they have to buy them, then we buy from them. It's going to COST THEM to implement this system. They want to know if enough players are interested.

[Dark_Lord]

 

Dark_Lord, perhaps you should look more into security practices before flying off the handle about stuff you just don't understand.

 

Figures, always the one person that likes to insult when he discusses. :roll:

 

 

 

I wasn't aware I flew off any handle. I simply gave my opinion, to only be flamed by you. No, I didn't say I expected it to be free. I simply said I was disgusted that they have to go down to tricks of offering incentives like that to get more money. Like said, it's my opinion they do it for the money - not for our security. Seems like they're hitting 2 birds with one stone... but are they really? That's my opinion, and if you don't like it... well SORRY buddy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Birdd]

 

Dark_Lord, perhaps you should look more into security practices before flying off the handle about stuff you just don't understand.

 

Figures, always the one person that likes to insult when he discusses. :roll:

 

 

 

I wasn't aware I flew off any handle. I simply gave my opinion, to only be flamed by you. No, I didn't say I expected it to be free. I simply said I was disgusted that they have to go down to tricks of offering incentives like that to get more money. Like said, it's my opinion they do it for the money - not for our security. Seems like they're hitting 2 birds with one stone... but are they really? That's my opinion, and if you don't like it... well SORRY buddy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

 

Jagex would not profit off this at all, the cost thing they're offering is to see if it's worth their time in investing these, because they have to buy them, then we buy from them. It's going to COST THEM to implement this system. They want to know if enough players are interested.