muggiwhplar Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 We've gone through this, and you basically agreed with me (imagine that). We're aware that your drops stay the same, but you will get more kills if you risk more and use better weapons. Everyone has to get EP eventually. You don't have a leg to stand on Everyone has to get EP eventually, so therefore the AGSer has a limited advantage over the whip, as though he gets kills faster, he will still, (like the whipper) end up having to get EP. The point im trying to make is most any expensive item is just not worth using in PVP anymore, and thats because of the protect item update. That's expected, he knew the risk, maybe he shouldn't have sucked at PKing. Sometimes its just luck... Indeed, expensive gear is not worth using. However, if you do choose to use it, you can assume you'll be getting kills much more consistently compared to welfare gear. I hope you guys quit going in circles arguing now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I don't know though. It seems like jagex is making AGS, Dark bow (to an extent) Claws, and other primary KO weapons useless for pking, they don't have uses outside pking, and now they are to expensive to risk in pvp. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaael Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'm done with this lol arguing with him it's SO pointless. It's like talking to a really negative brick wall that hates everything, and manages to regurgitate everything you say to it in a twisted, stupid question. 5,693rd to 99 Slayer on 10/08/2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Yes, and your so much better. :roll: You sound like a jagex [wagon]-kisser who seems to agree with everything jagex does. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasscube Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 The only update I want is something that stops other players from attacking me if the person I am fighting is eating to much. I have no problem overall with this update ... but I always end up dying to someone who I am not even fighting because they have come and specialed me while I was attacking someone else! But I bet someone is going to come and say something about risk and what not. And how the wilderness has to be risky. I am willing to risk a fair amount to get my kills, but I shouldn't be risking it to by standers. I speak specifically about edge pking of course. Help drive change Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langer Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 The only update I want is something that stops other players from attacking me if the person I am fighting is eating to much. I have no problem overall with this update ... but I always end up dying to someone who I am not even fighting because they have come and specialed me while I was attacking someone else! But I bet someone is going to come and say something about risk and what not. And how the wilderness has to be risky. I am willing to risk a fair amount to get my kills, but I shouldn't be risking it to by standers. I speak specifically about edge pking of course. Yeah if they could somewhat eliminate the PJing aspect of pking... that would solve a lot of problems and true pkers would feel safer just trying to find real fights, not some underhanded pjing teams. Off topic : Michaael...stop feeding the troll Follow the progress of top players and my weekly updates here: 200M in all SkillsLatest Milestones Chart update : page 602Latest top 15 update : page 6026 slowest skills chart : page 563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0diark Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I think it was muggi who pointed out that mahatma used to risk millions while pking and so if he can do it then why not us. The thing is that back when mahatma was pking, he knew that he'd get the items dropped by his opponent, he was guaranteed a decent drop, with the new system you don't know what you're going to get and you're going to need alot more kills per death to cover your losses when you die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everyonedies Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Risk = Rewards, I would think this update made any REAL PKer happy. And let's be honest, clicking the spec bar twice takes no skill, that's not real PKing. Except any risk which is greater than 75k does not significantly increase your reward. Last I cared to check d scims were 100kish and whips were 1.4mish, right? I seriously doubt that using a whip will get you 14 times as many kills as you would get while using a scimitar, so the risk does not scale in a linear fashion with the reward...Risk >= Reward would be a bit more accurate, I believe. You have a very good point. But wouldn't you agree that a person using an AGS would have a better KO potential than somebody using a whip? Perhaps slightly - however with Smite you could get rid of protect prayer anyway, thus they are risking more. On top of that the whip is a lot quicker too which sort of balances the weapons out.Umm the noobs that used ags and claws had invos full of sara brews and prayer pots and all they do is prayer switch and run to the nearest safe zone wich is normaly for them about 20-100 spaces away. They would never fight anyone one spec and if they didnt get the KO then they run away. http://www.clanhavok.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 god I love updates like this :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thensley Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 "Also, why pk with claws when you can pay a friend 75k? Hell no am i going to risk 20 million without protect item." But you are not really talking about PKing. You are talking about 75King. Totally different. "Everyone has to get EP eventually, so therefore the AGSer has a limited advantage over the whip, as though he gets kills faster, he will still, (like the whipper) end up having to get EP." But the AGSer does NOT have to use, and risk, the AGS when getting EP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDude Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Risk = Rewards, I would think this update made any REAL PKer happy. And let's be honest, clicking the spec bar twice takes no skill, that's not real PKing. Except any risk which is greater than 75k does not significantly increase your reward. Last I cared to check d scims were 100kish and whips were 1.4mish, right? I seriously doubt that using a whip will get you 14 times as many kills as you would get while using a scimitar, so the risk does not scale in a linear fashion with the reward...Risk >= Reward would be a bit more accurate, I believe. You have a very good point. But wouldn't you agree that a person using an AGS would have a better KO potential than somebody using a whip? Perhaps slightly - however with Smite you could get rid of protect prayer anyway, thus they are risking more. On top of that the whip is a lot quicker too which sort of balances the weapons out.Umm the noobs that used ags and claws had invos full of sara brews and prayer pots and all they do is prayer switch and run to the nearest safe zone wich is normaly for them about 20-100 spaces away. They would never fight anyone one spec and if they didnt get the KO then they run away. Wrong, I was talking about people who were actually using AGS to pk with, not those who jumped in halfway through a fight. Most of those people fight until they're out of food and if you got lucky yes it was possible to smite their prayer out, unlikely but still possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guano Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 pvp is ruined now i used to 1 item before my frend's bat lays eggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purewcnub Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 In a luck based combat system what Jagex did is indeed a fail. Goals: 94 magic94 ranged55 slayerAddy gloves-done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playajames93 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 wow this is horrible why does kind of thing happen u have to kee something otherwise your just wasting money.. totally unfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 pvp is ruined now i used to 1 item before I don't have much sympathy for you really =/ 1-iteming isn't PvP wow this is horrible why does kind of thing happen u have to kee something otherwise your just wasting money.. totally unfair Err yeah. To PK means to player kill. Killing is kind of the idea. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar_Drifter Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Seems to me like it was just a quick-fix to stop all the rushers with claws and AGS. Maybe they'll think of something as a permanent fix later, kind of like trade restrictions and the GE... those were great updates. Retired Tip.It Mod || Admin and Founder of Caesar 3 Mod Squad! All are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Hate_Libs Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well, if you borrow and item and die, that person wouldn't lose the item obviously right? So if you and another friend lend each other d-claws for however many hours, you could still use and PK with them, and if you die, no loss. Or did I miss something? This website and its contents are copyright © 1999 - 2010 Jagex Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well, if you borrow and item and die, that person wouldn't lose the item obviously right? So if you and another friend lend each other d-claws for however many hours, you could still use and PK with them, and if you die, no loss. Or did I miss something? I don't think you can take them into PvP. Don't quote me on that though. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 you won't be able to enter a pvp world if you have an item borrowed =D> + Saxon is right :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowgravity Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well, if you borrow and item and die, that person wouldn't lose the item obviously right? So if you and another friend lend each other d-claws for however many hours, you could still use and PK with them, and if you die, no loss. Or did I miss something? I don't think you can take them into PvP. Don't quote me on that though. I am quoting you on it (it's true). Lowgravity, I want to be just like you. But...I never will be as 1337 as you. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar_Drifter Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Geez Jagex is teh smarts.. can't put it past them though that they'd let that one slip. Retired Tip.It Mod || Admin and Founder of Caesar 3 Mod Squad! All are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howbadisbad Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 pvp is ruined now i used to 1 item before Noob. Hypocrite. You tell others to be nice then attempt to murder people. Nice going, you just failed life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askthedude Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I just wonder how many pures are now kicking themselves in the [wagon] for get 25 prayer for protect item... #-o Why can't the Big Bang be done by the hand of God?It could have, but it is next to impossible because it also could have been caused by the flying spaghetti monster, or one of the other infinite number of deity possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golvellius Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 pvp is ruined now i used to 1 item before I don't have much sympathy for you really =/ 1-iteming isn't PvP Sure it is. Just like Castle Wars is. Just like Mobilizing Armies. Its all Player versus Player. Its just not the honorable mugging your idealizing. I 1 item for fun, I don't 1 item to make money. Losing a dagger or seercull means nothing to me. Seeing somebody cry and log, thats entertainment. :thumbup: Just like dropping cades all over the entrance of your respawn room in castle wars. :lol: Exclusive Legacy Mode Player He just successfully trolled you with "courtesy" and managed to get a reaction out of you. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3hitm4g3u Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Why does Jagex hate pking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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