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Unfortunately it comes down to how Jagex defines cheating and obviously they are cool with people buying spins


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[2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad

[2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd?

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And it's only going to get worse. Who's ready for Revomomegacy?!

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Why should anyone care about others respect? If their goal is 200m all, why wouldn't they use every single available method for them to gain exp and be efficient about it?

 

If you are playing this game for e-respect and e-fame, you are definitely playing it for the wrong reasons.

 

Well what other possible reason could rank chasing have other than respect from other players? It's not like there's something intrinsically valuable about the number 200M. People do it because they recognize that within the realm of Runescape it has social prestige and value. So, yes, I do think a lot of players are playing for prestige, fame, validation and what not - though I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Nor am I bothered by spin buying enough to shame particular individuals who do it. We are social creatures at the end of the day. Getting 200Ms was not a 'thing' in the game until certain famous people started doing it and the metagame shifted. People did not randomly just wake up one day and decide "I am going to get a 200M, just for me".

 

And I quite agree. If you're serious about competing and getting 200Ms, you'd better be prepared to do everything in your power to get it (within the bounds of the rules). You'd be a fool not use resources if you have them that could make it easier. I don't mind Forsberg at all. He had a lot of money and resources, and he used them to ensure he had to put in less effort, have a better time, get things done faster. Not bothered by that at all.

 

 

 

 

If you play a game to get 200m all because you "enjoy" it, then you wouldn't try to take the quick ways out. If the only reason you're playing is to get 200m all and not enjoy it then your playing for the wrong reasons.

And how many players actually go for 200M all because they enjoy it all? Perhaps they enjoy certain skills, but all of it? No way. They do it for the end goal - which is competition, prestige, recognition and so forth. Most skills require a fair bit of grinding, and are by and large not fun, and getting 200M in them requires intense discipline and subjecting yourself to boredom and grinding. People do it for the social reasons, not because they derive 'fun' by chopping Crystal trees for hundreds and thousands of hours.

 

It's idealistic and ahistorical to suggest that people got 200Ms just for fun. Perhaps some do (because of their particular idiosyncrasies as individuals) but most do it for social reasons.

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Well i would say that even though they might not enjoy it all, that is part of what makes it rewarding.  Achieving something you want and persevering through it.  I guess its like trying to build muscle or lose weight, doing cardio or lifting weights is done because its part of what you need to do to achieve your goal and feel that sense of accomplishment.

 

Also, while part of the good feeling of getting a good rank or a 200m is recognition and the joy of competing, i think that in some sense, at least for me, being able to make progress towards a goal and have something to look forward to and be motivated to do and be proud of is also a big factor.  Anything you can watch progress in and see your work pay off is always a good feeling, so it is a combination of the both that makes skilling so much fun, at least in my own opinion i can not speak for all players

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Why should anyone care about others respect? If their goal is 200m all, why wouldn't they use every single available method for them to gain exp and be efficient about it?

 

If you are playing this game for e-respect and e-fame, you are definitely playing it for the wrong reasons.

 

Well what other possible reason could rank chasing have other than respect from other players? It's not like there's something intrinsically valuable about the number 200M. People do it because they recognize that within the realm of Runescape it has social prestige and value. So, yes, I do think a lot of players are playing for prestige, fame, validation and what not - though I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Nor am I bothered by spin buying enough to shame particular individuals who do it. We are social creatures at the end of the day. Getting 200Ms was not a 'thing' in the game until certain famous people started doing it and the metagame shifted. People did not randomly just wake up one day and decide "I am going to get a 200M, just for me".

 

And I quite agree. If you're serious about competing and getting 200Ms, you'd better be prepared to do everything in your power to get it (within the bounds of the rules). You'd be a fool not use resources if you have them that could make it easier. I don't mind Forsberg at all. He had a lot of money and resources, and he used them to ensure he had to put in less effort, have a better time, get things done faster. Not bothered by that at all.

 

 

 

 

If you play a game to get 200m all because you "enjoy" it, then you wouldn't try to take the quick ways out. If the only reason you're playing is to get 200m all and not enjoy it then your playing for the wrong reasons.

And how many players actually go for 200M all because they enjoy it all? Perhaps they enjoy certain skills, but all of it? No way. They do it for the end goal - which is competition, prestige, recognition and so forth. Most skills require a fair bit of grinding, and are by and large not fun, and getting 200M in them requires intense discipline and subjecting yourself to boredom and grinding. People do it for the social reasons, not because they derive 'fun' by chopping Crystal trees for hundreds and thousands of hours.

 

It's idealistic and ahistorical to suggest that people got 200Ms just for fun. Perhaps some do (because of their particular idiosyncrasies as individuals) but most do it for social reasons.

 

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Playing for ranks isn't the same as playing for respect


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[2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad

[2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd?

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One could say that there's something of a social status in RuneScape and the way to climb up the social ladder is to complete amazing skilling achievements. The maxed community (historically anyway), has felt something like an aristocracy of sorts. Everyone knows each other directly or indirectly, people have reputations, etc., but then there's the vast masses of noobs that are the nobodies, the commoners. I think the desire to work oneself out of that big group of noobs is what provides the incentive for many people to complete big skilling goals.

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One could say that there's something of a social status in RuneScape and the way to climb up the social ladder is to complete amazing skilling achievements. The maxed community (historically anyway), has felt something like an aristocracy of sorts. Everyone knows each other directly or indirectly, people have reputations, etc., but then there's the vast masses of noobs that are the nobodies, the commoners. I think the desire to work oneself out of that big group of noobs is what provides the incentive for many people to complete big skilling goals.

 

The irony here is that the higher your RS social status gets, the lower your RL social status gets :lol:

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One could say that there's something of a social status in RuneScape and the way to climb up the social ladder is to complete amazing skilling achievements. The maxed community (historically anyway), has felt something like an aristocracy of sorts. Everyone knows each other directly or indirectly, people have reputations, etc., but then there's the vast masses of noobs that are the nobodies, the commoners. I think the desire to work oneself out of that big group of noobs is what provides the incentive for many people to complete big skilling goals.

 

The irony here is that the higher your RS social status gets, the lower your RL social status gets :lol:

 

Unless you know how to prioritize and don't let RS consume your life

 

What a stupid thing to say

Too much generalizing in here

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One could say that there's something of a social status in RuneScape and the way to climb up the social ladder is to complete amazing skilling achievements. The maxed community (historically anyway), has felt something like an aristocracy of sorts. Everyone knows each other directly or indirectly, people have reputations, etc., but then there's the vast masses of noobs that are the nobodies, the commoners. I think the desire to work oneself out of that big group of noobs is what provides the incentive for many people to complete big skilling goals.

The irony here is that the higher your RS social status gets, the lower your RL social status gets :lol:

Unless you know how to prioritize and don't let RS consume your life

 

What a stupid thing to say

Too much generalizing in here

Are you trying to suggest that the top ranked players play in moderation, at a leisurely pace? If not then my point stands.

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One could say that there's something of a social status in RuneScape and the way to climb up the social ladder is to complete amazing skilling achievements. The maxed community (historically anyway), has felt something like an aristocracy of sorts. Everyone knows each other directly or indirectly, people have reputations, etc., but then there's the vast masses of noobs that are the nobodies, the commoners. I think the desire to work oneself out of that big group of noobs is what provides the incentive for many people to complete big skilling goals.

The irony here is that the higher your RS social status gets, the lower your RL social status gets :lol:

Unless you know how to prioritize and don't let RS consume your life

 

What a stupid thing to say

Too much generalizing in here

Are you trying to suggest that the top ranked players play in moderation, at a leisurely pace? If not then my point stands.

 

Some, yes. My point still stands that it's an extremely stupid thing to think that, the higher you get in RS your social status always gets lower, you shouldn't just generalize like that.

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Its still ggeneralizations. I know people who play an average of 12 hours a day and party almost every night


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[2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad

[2:22:36 PM] Arceus Dark: Time to get...req'd?

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You don't have to sacrifice your life to gain exp. The point still stands that what you said is extremely ignorant

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Its true since we all have 24 hours, life is always a trade-off.

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You don't have to sacrifice your life to gain exp. The point still stands that what you said is extremely ignorant

Suomi, Drumgun, Forsberg, et al sacrificed their lives to gain xp so I'm not sure where these top 200m all contenders with balanced lives you speak of are.

 

Last time I checked, it takes at least 20,000 hours to get 200M all without spins (over 30k for Suomi IIRC). Care to explain how one can remain a top contender for that achievement while playing in moderation? Be specific with your hours logged.

 

If your point was that anyone can get 99 all skills in moderation these days, then yes I would probably agree with you, especially if they were buying spins. But 200m all skills? No way, Jose.

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Its true since we all have 24 hours, life is always a trade-off.

This is absolutely true. I used to think that you could prioritize everything and only play rs when you have nothing better to do, but once I stopped playing rs, I realized that there's always something better to do with your free time. You can ask your friends to hang out instead of waiting for them to ask you. If they're all busy, you can always go out alone and meet new people, or you could practice drawing, learn how to program, learn some new math, look for new music, volunteer, learn how to play an instrument. There are hundreds of activities that are more productive than rs.

 

Free time is arguably the most valuable thing in the universe. If you're spending yours on rs, and you have the right to, you're doing so at a huge cost. I know there are top players who maintain healthy social lives, but I know for a fact that it could be even healthier and that they've missed out on a lot of opportunities to improve their lives.

 

All I can really say is that I hope that anyone who sacrifices a lot for an online achievement is happy with their decision. I would feel terrible for cheering on someone who ultimately regrets their choice.

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Its true since we all have 24 hours, life is always a trade-off.

This is absolutely true. I used to think that you could prioritize everything and only play rs when you have nothing better to do, but once I stopped playing rs, I realized that there's always something better to do with your free time. You can ask your friends to hang out instead of waiting for them to ask you. If they're all busy, you can always go out alone and meet new people, or you could practice drawing, learn how to program, learn some new math, look for new music, volunteer, learn how to play an instrument. There are hundreds of activities that are more productive than rs.

 

Free time is arguably the most valuable thing in the universe. If you're spending yours on rs, and you have the right to, you're doing so at a huge cost. I know there are top players who maintain healthy social lives, but I know for a fact that it could be even healthier and that they've missed out on a lot of opportunities to improve their lives.

 

All I can really say is that I hope that anyone who sacrifices a lot for an online achievement is happy with their decision. I would feel terrible for cheering on someone who ultimately regrets their choice.

 

I certainly agree that there are better things to do than play rs all day, but I would also argue that it's very difficult to fill all your time with 'productive' activities.  They tend to be much more energy intensive than playing rs, and different people demand different amounts of downtime.  For myself, playing rs is the perfect thing after a hard workout or if I'm hungover etc.  Obviously very few of us just play rs during our desired downtime but certainly it's something I'd prefer to watching television etc.  And of course many things on rs are afkable so people may be doing something productive on the side.  

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Well, I think you guys are going into a spiral of misunderstandings again.

 

First you need to understand the defenition of "better things" for EACH individual. See, if I ask every single person on the planet what's the best thing to do, every single time I will get a different answer (if they give me a well-formed sentence) - I can garantee you that. 

 

And with that comes the definition of shared reality. Once a psychiatrist told me that this had this "uncurable" patient (my favorite ones!) that drank blood every single day. I thought "finally they found a vampire!". So, I was extremely curious to know this new race and went to the mental hospital to see what I could do. I asked him "What are you trying to do for your behalf when drinking blood?" and he told me "Well, my tribe in Africa used to do that. It's one of our routines. I'm just making sure that I don't forget who I am". So we made an agreement that he could do it when he was alone on his home at night.

 

See, the guy was already on hospital for years! Just because he was following a personal routine. If it was on Africa, it would be ok. Just because it was on the west world, it isn't. To me, the same thing applies to Top Players. I've had top players asking me "I play RS x hours. Do you think it's an addiction?! Do you think it's bad?!". All I ask them back is if they're happy with themselfs and they always answered me "yes". To me, that's all it's important.

 

Top players can look at you guys and say "Omg, they go outside all the time. They must be freaks!" just like you do.

 

So, please, stop trying to understand other people. It will not work. You will not ever understand them or anyone else. That's like trying to stop breathing while trying to keep yourself alive.

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A person's beliefs regarding the best use of their time is irrelevant, as their beliefs can be wrong and delusional (and they often are). There's a reason why people like alcoholics consciously make bad decisions-- they don't realize that their decisions are making them unhappy; or they do realize they're making poor decisions but they lack the self-discipline to adjust their behaviors accordingly.

 

The best way to "objectively" measure smart decisions and beliefs is to see if they are consistently happy in the long-term. In other words, if you're capable of being genuinely consistently happy while playing RS for 16+ hours a day, skipping exercise, skipping dating/sex, skipping education/career, etc. then that's great. But if people like that actually exist, I'd argue that they are in a very tiny minority, and it would be unwise for the average person to emulate their lifestyle.

 

Anyways I think this is starting to get off topic again. Feel free to shoot me a PM or start a new thread if you wish to continue this discussion, as this will be my last post on this topic

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A person's beliefs regarding the best use of their time is irrelevant, as their beliefs can be wrong and delusional (and they often are). The best way to "objectively" measure smart decisions and beliefs is to see if they are consistently happy in the long-term. In other words, if you're capable of being genuinely consistently happy while playing RS for 10+ hours a day, skipping exercise, skipping dating/sex, skipping education/career, etc. then that's great. But if people like that actually exist, I'd argue that they are in a very tiny minority, and it would be unwise for the average person to emulate their lifestyle.

 

Anyways I think this is starting to get off topic again. Feel free to shoot me a PM or start a new thread if you wish to continue this discussion, as this will be my last post on this topic

 

People need to stop looking at others as they are broke. If people are still alive, they function perfectly. The person has beliefs for a reason. Either the person consciously like those beliefs or not - that's a different discussion. There's no such thing as "wrong beliefs" or "delusional beliefs". That's ludicrous. 

 

No one can say if a x decision from someone else is a good or not because you don't have his personal history.

 

I might agree that this is going in a kind of off-topic direction. 99% of the thread is like that though.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this then. I consider a life of unhappiness to be a life not worth living.

 

And I agree with your last sentence. My point that that X, Y and Z beliefs for me would be inappropriate, considering my personal history and my goals - therefore would give me unhappiness. For other people, it would be the best thing that ever happened to them - leading them to happiness.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this then. I consider a life of unhappiness to be a life not worth living.

But the point is happiness is subjective and your perceived concept of a perfectly happy lifestyle is just as wrong as the ones you are judging. People are unique and we all enjoy different balances of different things.

 

Some people are asexual/aromantic for no reason other than they don't feel those emotions. Some people absolutely don't go out and party because they don't enjoy it. There is nothing wrong with these people, they are simply being themselves.

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[2:21:46 PM] Baldvin | Leik: these comp reqs are so bad

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