The F2P General Discussion Thread

[wormy]

I also wonder if the node spawn is linked to the number of people in the runespan.

I was not on for the 10-20/island; but at 7-9 est there would be at least 4 mind storms per island. Now 11est there is 1 cyclone per 3 islands.

Also at 8ish there was 8 chaos and 1 nebula on a floor 2 island. 1 hr later they were gone.

[Arceus]

The 60k/hr is gone. I would estimate it's 25k-30k if you farm body esshounds, switch to another essling while waiting a few seconds for it to respawn, and siphon any worthwhile nodes that happen to appear. It's kind of a shame that you accumulate thousands of essence with no use for it.

[ilovecuttingyews]

The 60k/hr is gone. I would estimate it's 25k-30k if you farm body esshounds, switch to another essling while waiting a few seconds for it to respawn, and siphon any worthwhile nodes that happen to appear. It's kind of a shame that you accumulate thousands of essence with no use for it.

My tests are showing the same rate. Kinda makes me sad thinking back to the old days when I got 75 rc on air runes @ 5k exp/h..... so it goes.

[Juco]

Now that they've nerfed the node spawn rate, has anyone gotten the xp/hr off of just body esslings?

 

I got 35k xp/h with just Body esslings.

[Kaida23]

So even without nodes, it still nearly tripled the old xp rates. That's a heckuva win in my book. :thumbsup:

[Platinum_Myr]

Nodes seem to have been fixed :)

[wormy]

I was actively trying to get 2-3k ess so I could camp the first floor, except the wizard would cry for help, and I would come across a lake of water pools(cant let them goto waste). By the time I made it back to floor 2 I was down ess.

 

Or while on body hounds some cool node would pop up, and cant let that goto waste either =]

 

No idea if I like training in the runespan, I am sure it is just a mentality, but oh well.

[sees_all1]

I feel like training on the 1st floor on nodes (mind, water, and the occasional earth) is faster than body esshounds, based on failure rates. Unless they make it so there aren't 15 spawned at once, then esshounds it'll be.

[rudes7]

I was actively trying to get 2-3k ess so I could camp the first floor, except the wizard would cry for help, and I would come across a lake of water pools(cant let them goto waste). By the time I made it back to floor 2 I was down ess.

 

Or while on body hounds some cool node would pop up, and cant let that goto waste either =]

 

No idea if I like training in the runespan, I am sure it is just a mentality, but oh well.

 

Can't win em all, it would be a good idea to decide which would offer the best xp, e.g finding a wizard or siphoning nodes if there's a nice amount of them

[Juco]

Now that they've nerfed the node spawn rate, has anyone gotten the xp/hr off of just body esslings?

 

I got 35k xp/h with just Body esslings.

 

They fixed nodes, now I'm getting 65k xp/h. :thumbsup:

[Kaida23]

Now that they've nerfed the node spawn rate, has anyone gotten the xp/hr off of just body esslings?

I got 35k xp/h with just Body esslings.

They fixed nodes, now I'm getting 65k xp/h. :thumbsup:

:shock:

 

That's absolutely incredible. I don't think anything else in F2P is even close to that.

 

Best. Update. Ever. :thumbsup:

[rudes7]

Now that they've nerfed the node spawn rate, has anyone gotten the xp/hr off of just body esslings?

 

I got 35k xp/h with just Body esslings.

 

They fixed nodes, now I'm getting 65k xp/h. :thumbsup:

 

Is this from camping body esshounds/ siphoning nodes spawns

[Zantareous]

Alright, now that the nodes are updated to last longer, essence finally has more of a purpose and it's essential to do hounds/esslings in order to do the nodes. I say we...

• Compile a list of the best hounds or esslings (in order) for the most ess per time, and,
  
• Compile a list (in order) of the best nodes for xp/hr.

 

The basic questions come down to: what's the best way to gain essence, and what's the best way to train on nodes (basically a battle between floor 2 random nodes VS. floor 1 mind storms with random nodes).

 

Post your results as you train :)

 

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The esslings/hounds in question:

• Air Essling
  
• Water Essling
  
• Earth Essling
  
• Fire Essling
  
• Mind Essling
  
• Body Esshound

 

The nodes in question:

• Cyclone
  
• Mind storm
  
• Water pool
  
• Rock fragment
  
• Fireball
  
• Vine
  
• Fleshy growth
  
• Fire storm

 

 

(random data)

 

 

Average experience/times

(variable: 79 runecrafting)

 

Time to fully siphon (in seconds):

Air Essling

15

15

19

17

16

16

15

13

15

15

=15.6 seconds

 

 

Water Essling

same as air

=15.6 seconds

 

 

Earth Essling

same as air

=15.6 seconds

 

 

Fire Essling

19

22

29

15

15

15

15

21

15

26

24

25

=20.1 seconds

 

 

Mind Essling

14

14

14

15

13

19

15

18

15

14

=15.1 seconds

 

 

Body Esshound

17

20

22

17

24

23

24

34

17

17

=21.5

 

 

 

 

Conclusion: Fire esslings and body esshounds take longer but there's the xp factor to account for; overall, though, it seems best to do everything but fire esslings and body esshounds if you want to focus that time on nodes.

 

EDIT (6:33pm EST): Essling info is finished and posted in spoiler.

EDIT (6:46 EST): Hound info is finished and posted in the spoiler.

[ilovecuttingyews]

I'm going to camp each creature using the 9 rune trick and post the exp/h you can get with just the creatures (at level 77 rc).

 

Air essling - 22500 exp/h

Mind essling - 22700 exp/h

Water essling - 26300 exp/h

Earth essling - 26200 exp/h

Fire essling - 33900 exp/h

Body - 36800 exp/h

[Arceus]

Starting with a supply of essence and using around 2500 of them (note that one can click to obtain 25 free essence instantly, due to the abundance of "floating essence,"), and siphoning random nodes above mind, and mostly avoiding fleshies (I suspect these are lower due to their high failure rate, I achieved:

 

70k runecrafting xp in one hour on F2P.

 

I have to go pick up my jaw now. Be right back.

[Hedgehog]

Just a note:

 

It's better to record hits/misses and find the accuracy than it is to time yourself for an hour. This removes a lot of variables, such as lag, spawn rate, and time between nodes. Futhermore, it allows you to calculate different combinations of nodes (such as switching between spawns) without having to do much more testing.

[ilovecuttingyews]

Just a note:

 

It's better to record hits/misses and find the accuracy than it is to time yourself for an hour. This removes a lot of variables, such as lag, spawn rate, and time between nodes. Futhermore, it allows you to calculate different combinations of nodes (such as switching between spawns) without having to do much more testing.

I was planning on doing that later on after I got general exp rates. Do you or anyone else, know how many siphoning attempts you do per hour?

[Kaida23]

70k runecrafting xp in one hour on F2P.

Shhh! Don't let Jagex hear you. :lol:

 

Just a note:

 

It's better to record hits/misses and find the accuracy than it is to time yourself for an hour. This removes a lot of variables, such as lag, spawn rate, and time between nodes. Futhermore, it allows you to calculate different combinations of nodes (such as switching between spawns) without having to do much more testing.

So what you're saying is that if, for example, fire esses had a hit rate of 80% while body esses only had 70% fires would give more consistent xp and would therefore be better for training on even though they don't give the highest xp/hit?

 

Also, isn't RC level a factor in determining the hit/miss rate?

[Hedgehog]

Unless it was changed, you make an attempt every 2 ticks. I usually calc things at 5800 ticks/hour, so you're looking at 2900 attempts/hour. You then multiply 2900 by the weighted xp per attempt (XP * Accuracy).

 

You should note your rc level while gathering data, but I don't see it having much of an effect, since the nodes seem to have low defense.

[Arceus]

I have made some revisions to what I have said earlier. I hope no one will be too disappointed.

 

Starting with a supply of essence and using around 2500 of them (note that one can click to obtain 25 free essence instantly, due to the abundance of "floating essence,")Clicking only on the floating essence to get free essence, and siphoning random nodes above mind, and mostly avoiding concentrating on fleshies (I suspect these are lower due to their high failure rate, I achieved:

 

70 69.5k runecrafting xp in one hour on F2P without pre-supplying.

[ilovecuttingyews]

Siphoning a Fire storm when it turned into a member node. I kept siphoning and even got the exp that the P2P node should give. It didn't give runes though.

[Crit2h]

Didn't seem to be able to do that.

[Baffler]

The Runespan is here. Wonder if it's worth it for F2P?

 

Very much so from what I've heard.

[wormy]

Some very very very very early numbers

xp/siphon

air/mind 17

water 20

earth 22

fire 24

vine 23

firestorm 23

flesh 27

[Plugpoint]

Does anyone know what the best xp is out of fireballs and fire storms? Not sure whether fire storms are worth it seeing as you get ~21xp fairly often