The F2P General Discussion Thread

[BiJay]

We already knew it's calculated differently when in team. Do such a graph for solo, you will probably see the difference and what Jagex was talking about.

[Kolin]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

[Lord Slayas]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

 

 

My understanding was that it was your combat skill that you are training VS the monster's combat level. So basically if you have 94 Strength and train Strength, you could kill monsters as low as 64cb, meaning Greater Demons and the like would still be on the table. Or if you had 99 attack, you could kill creatures as low as level 69 to keep training it, even if your combat is that ridiculous 200.

 

It is definitely going to have a large scale negative impact on our training methods and combat in general, but I'm almost positive it isn't going to make it impossible to train after a certain level. Just a lot more work for probably less xp/hr, because ofc 40K/hr is too much for us.

[Kolin]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

 

 

My understanding was that it was your combat skill that you are training VS the monster's combat level. So basically if you have 94 Strength and train Strength, you could kill monsters as low as 64cb, meaning Greater Demons and the like would still be on the table. Or if you had 99 attack, you could kill creatures as low as level 69 to keep training it, even if your combat is that ridiculous 200.

 

It is definitely going to have a large scale negative impact on our training methods and combat in general, but I'm almost positive it isn't going to make it impossible to train after a certain level. Just a lot more work for probably less xp/hr, because ofc 40K/hr is too much for us.

 

Well if that's the case, I definitely don't mind this at all, I just hope you are correct, because I read it as the combat levels being the factor. This would keep it still very open, so i'll cross my fingers for that, been holding off going back to my f2p because of all this lol.

[LordAdib]

Not to mention Hellhounds are actually the highest-leveled monster in F2P (not including the rev knight):

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Hellhound

[Lord Slayas]

Mhmm, it would keep it a bit more open for sure. It was on that "Og Blog" thingy, in the update where he corrected himself after his first post made such a scandal. Even with that amendment though, I'm guessing the creatures we normally train on will still be off limits.

[decebal]

Not to mention Hellhounds are actually the highest-leveled monster in F2P (not including the rev knight):

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Hellhound

Don't know about you, but fighting hellhounds all day would be... hell.

[LordAdib]

Not to mention Hellhounds are actually the highest-leveled monster in F2P (not including the rev knight):

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Hellhound

Don't know about you, but fighting hellhounds all day would be... hell.

 

Indeed it would ;) Just saying there are options, however unappealing they may be.

[BiJay]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

You will get 10% less exp, so it's actually 90% of the original exp.

[Juco]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

You will get 10% less exp, so it's actually 90% of the original exp.

 

It's 10% of the original experience.

The XP reduction kicks in based on comparing your offensive stat to the enemy Defence level, and in fact does not use your overall combat level. Here is an example:

 

I have 99 Attack, 99 Defence and 1 Magic.

I Mage an NPC with 50 Defence, and I have selected to Mage defensively, so gaining Magic and Defence XP.

Let's say this NPC awards 200 XP, therefore 50% (100 XP) is for Magic and 50% (100 XP) is for Defence.

My Defence skill is more than 30 levels above the NPC so this XP is reduced down to 10% (10 XP).

However, my Magic skill is less than 30 levels away from the NPC so I get 100% of my Magic XP (100 XP).

I am awarded 10 Defence XP and 100 Magic XP.

The reduction is only applied down, never up. So if I kill an NPC that is 50 levels higher than my offence and defence skill, I will be awarded 100% of the XP.

However, if my offence and defence skills are 30+ levels above the NPC I kill, I shall only be awarded 10% of the XP.

[Wertyue]

From what I've been told, these are the combat levels of a few F2P NPC's on the beta servers:

 

Level in beta - (Current level) - NPC

 

 

170 - (83) - Shades

 

100 - (82) - Lesser demon

 

86, 88, 90 - (75, 82, 86) - Ankous

 

78 - (57) - Ice warriors

 

76, 77 - (64, 68) - Catablepons

 

74 - (53) - Ice giants

 

69 - (77) - Ghosts with level 90 ankous in same room

 

62 - (68) - Skeletons with level 86 ankous in same room

 

57 - (50) - Giant spiders

 

56 - (44) - Flesh crawlers (most northern room with the zombies)

 

52 - (83) - Cockroach soldiers

 

38, 37 - (59) Scorpions 2 rooms east from main room in the stronghold (3rd, green floor)

 

17 - (53) - Zombies (most northern room with the flesh crawlers)

 

 

Don't know the new levels for greater demons, hellhounds or the revenants yet.

 

 

...also you only get like 4 xp for a 150 hit now on a shade so it's nowhere near worth training on for xp.

 

But, could we figure out the strength levels for those somehow by knowing the highest hit of these NPC's and then finding out the defence after that?

 

Is there any way to determine the defence level? For anyone with a 99 in an offensive stat, I suppose the NPC would need to have 70 defence so they could gain some good xp from it in F2P.

[Hedgehog]

Hellhounds are 130 I think

 

We can figure out the stats of any monster, but that takes time.

[Wertyue]

Alright, is there any formula to figure it out?

[Hedgehog]

Yes, there are formulas to figure it out now, but obviously theyre changing with the update. Jagex has been very nice and gave us a way to check accuracy, so it'll be fairly easy to figure things out, but I'd give it a few days to make sure they got the numbers right.

[BiJay]

Well, this new combat may be the F2P killer...

 

On the beta, Black Dragons are only level 114 combat (Meaning any combat 144 + will only get 10% exp for killing).

 

On f2p, the highest combat monster is Greater Demons iirc, which I highly doubt will be even 100+ combat based on this.

 

Lets say GDs become 114 combat too (highly unlikely), this would mean after 144 combat, which is the equivalent of 72 defence and 72 strength (or att/magic/ranging), and you would only get 10% combat exp forever after this point at best on f2p. Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but we do know Jagex has been slowly trying to kill F2P over the last year, this may be the next major attack...

You will get 10% less exp, so it's actually 90% of the original exp.

 

It's 10% of the original experience.

Oh, sorry. Looks like Jagex can't translate properly. It's written wrong in the german blog... :(

[Fire_Hawk154]

I heard that RuneScape will be multi-combat everywhere. Training on hellhounds already stinks because you've got to bank alot, now imagine being attacked by multiple of them. Killing for 10 minites, banking for 10 minites, killing for 10 minites and so on... If they don't give more xp/hit than low leveled monsters then I see no point in this update. Gaining less xp/hour at a higher level is ridiculous <_<

Not to mention Giants. Where can I train on to get big bones and decent combat xp?

[ippetads]

It's sad to see this thread seems to be going under :(

 

Anyways, I have seen in an og blog that the new defence requirement for rune armour will be 50. What is everyone elses feelings on this as in game nobody seems to even know about it.

[LordAdib]

It's sad to see this thread seems to be going under :(

 

I think most of the F2P discussion on TIF is being rerouted here now.

 

Anyways, I have seen in an og blog that the new defence requirement for rune armour will be 50. What is everyone elses feelings on this as in game nobody seems to even know about it.

 

I was a little surprised when I first read about that in the og blog, but I don't think it's anything to get upset over. Raising melee stats is generally a pretty easy task, especially when your levels are that low. 40 to 50 is by no means hard. ;)

[ddaanniiellh]

It's sad to see this thread seems to be going under :(

 

Anyways, I have seen in an og blog that the new defence requirement for rune armour will be 50. What is everyone elses feelings on this as in game nobody seems to even know about it.

Bothers me somewhat...especially cause I got 40 defense just to wear rune, and I'm not planning on raising my combat any further till i get 1k overall

[Arceus]

That's interesting. Maybe it will help a little bit with the fact that attaining rune is so easy it homogonizes things.

[Krazyck]

I think the change to the level requirement is fine over all, but it kills like 3 of my side accounts that have funky stats... One has 40 defence, attack, and range with 9hp, its gonna be brutal grinding out the lamps again. :(

[Water Tablet]

Jagex decided not to implement the combat xp penalty so we don't have to worry about that :cool:

[sees_all1]

Jagex decided not to implement the combat xp penalty so we don't have to worry about that :cool:

For P2P that is. They're going to be very consistant, and make combat just like dungeoneering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

E: trollface. But I wouldn't expect any less from them.

[Arceus]

They did implement it for F2P, and I'm not sure how/if it will change with the EoC update. I guess we'll find out.

[Platinum_Myr]

I hope its not implemented in F2P, that would just be stupid.