School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home.

[Bloodstain]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It's not black and white though, it is a lot of grey. You don't forfeit all your rights, but some of them are given up. Making a broad statement like he did is simply untrue.

What probably happened is that they were only using the surveillance cameras during school hours and it worked out so great that some genius decided to try and get them outside of school.

 

Seems to me that part of the purpose was to monitor their home behavior for god knows what reason, but I'll be interested in hearing their side of it

[hihihi727]

My cousin goes to this school and she says that apparently you are allowed to turn the camera (which can be remotely activated) on if you think that its missing or stolen, and the guy took it home when he wasn't supposed to, so the school reported it missing and turned on the camera and saw him do something bad. The guy has a bad reputation so yeah...

[SeanyTheSailor]

The school can't do anything about what someone did outside of school, my school also gives out laptops with web cams and I'm tempted to try this, because I could definitely see my school trying to pull this [cabbage]. I mean obviously they could report a crime but even then they'd probably still catch [cabbage] over invasion of privacy.

[PuppyKing]

Wouldnt a sticky note solve this problem? :-k

[TTanT]

Wouldnt a sticky note solve this problem? :-k

 

Not if you didn't know they were doing it.

[Zygimantas]

So, watching pornography on those laptops would not be a good idea...

[Pinkbullet3]

Put electrical tape over your laptop webcams.

[The Dark Lord]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

[Maze]

Wowwww.

 

I'm curious what the kid did.

 

Schools have absolutely no right to spy on students outside of school like that. If I were the kid, I would sue the crap out of them for breaching my privacy.

[TTanT]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

She probably figured you weren't a trouble maker if you could site said right.

 

Kind of like how a guy in my Physics calls got stopped in the hall for not having a pass, but didn't egt into trouble because "if you're in Physics you probably aren't a screw up."

 

 

Mind, I say we start citing our rights to remain silent when teachers ask us questions in class.

[Nenga]

So, watching pornography on those laptops would not be a good idea...

Oh they keep track of everything you do. I know, on my 3A block i'm a technology assistant, so i'm up in the tech office, they can tell you the exact time and date you did something. down to the minute. They just don't usually look you up without reason.

[Zygimantas]

So, watching pornography on those laptops would not be a good idea...

Oh they keep track of everything you do. I know, on my 3A block i'm a technology assistant, so i'm up in the tech office, they can tell you the exact time and date you did something. down to the minute. They just don't usually look you up without reason.

Our school can do that with desktops, but I didn't know that schools do that with laptops as well.

[Orpheus]

Is that somewhere in the agreement paper students sign when buying the laptop? That's just ridiculous, a major invasion of privacy. Like it says, I leave my laptop open on so many occasions.

 

 

Pretty sure you can't sign a contract that removes your rights.

Yeah you don't have to sign it, you lose basically all rights when dealing with school property.

Actually, it's still unconstitutional, and pretty much a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.

 

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

 

I'd say it's pretty damn close to unconstitutional. Whether or not a consent form was signed is irrelevant. And if there was no mention of being monitored, that's more fuel to the fire.

[RpgGamer]

My cousin goes to this school and she says that apparently you are allowed to turn the camera (which can be remotely activated) on if you think that its missing or stolen, and the guy took it home when he wasn't supposed to, so the school reported it missing and turned on the camera and saw him do something bad. The guy has a bad reputation so yeah...

 

 

Okay, that makes a vague amount of sense as to why the school did it. The OP made it seem like everyone always brought home the cameras which were then used to spy on them. It's still very unconstitutional though, although if this is the case, I see the logic behind it.

[Bloodstain]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

[Nenga]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

but they still don't need that 'probable cause'

[Lenin64]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

but they still don't need that 'probable cause'

Well, locker searches are one thing, kind of like random drug testing. This, however, is insane. It's, dare I say, madness.

[Nenga]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

but they still don't need that 'probable cause'

Well, locker searches are one thing, kind of like random drug testing. This, however, is insane. It's, dare I say, madness.

Madness? unfortunately its well within the schools rights.

[Riku3220]

Uhh, yes. Your constitutional rights do not hold up with schools. You don't have freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, and you also don't have the right to deny searches.

 

We've discussed this in my Law Studies classroom. It's a common question that most students ask. It's stupid, but it is true. Apparently school rules override the country's rules. And now they are taking away your rights when you handle their school property, even off of school grounds.

 

Now I can't decide who's worse. School or government?

 

It is true. Schools practice the UNCONSTITUTIONAL "right" for them to temporarily abolish your Constitutional rights.

 

Last year, a student's cellphone went off in class, and a search was called. The assistant-principal searched everyone's purses and wallets and put people through a metal detector. She came up to me, and I cited my Constitutional right to deny unlawful searches. She left me alone.

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

but they still don't need that 'probable cause'

Well, locker searches are one thing, kind of like random drug testing. This, however, is insane. It's, dare I say, madness.

Madness? unfortunately its well within the schools rights.

The use of the cameras during school hours or random history checks would be within the school's rights. Unless it was a boarding school the school has no rights of the students during the student's personal time.

[meb]

Is that somewhere in the agreement paper students sign when buying the laptop? That's just ridiculous, a major invasion of privacy. Like it says, I leave my laptop open on so many occasions.

 

 

Pretty sure you can't sign a contract that removes your rights.

You can but it's not a valid contract. In Belgium. A country where we don't have stuff like the Patriot act haha.

[Laura]

Great, modern day telescreens.

[dsavi]

^ Minus the propaganda. :-)

[Bloodstain]

 

From what I remember regarding searches, it is because of safety of the whole school that they can search your locker, not because schools are anything goes zones.

but they still don't need that 'probable cause'

 

Never said they did, but because they can perform warrant less searches doesn't mean:

you lose basically all rights when dealing with school property.

[Ned]

This is sort of unsettling, Lower Merion is 3 miles from my house, and it was one of the schools I was deciding between, glad I chose otherwise.

[KnightLite]

If I was in possession of one of those laptops with knowledge of my security at question, I'd probably spend my days doing naked yoga in front of it, making sure to bend over as often as possible so those administrators can get a nice look at my brown eye.