What is bad music?

[Pirate_Felix]

Hiphop&Rap IMO

[obfuscator]

This question has actually intrigued me for a while. Obviously, like everyone else, I have my preferences and my dislikes. Were I to name my favorite genre, it would classic rock, and my most hated, probably pop or techno. However - many artists in these genres are liked and hated by others - so I've been trying to come up with some universal qualification for whether music is of quality or not.

 

The qualifier I use is talent. Let's take an artist like Michael Jackson, for example. He's really not my thing; I can't say I like any of his songs, I think he's very overhyped by the media and I just hate the genre.

 

But...his talent is undenaible. He's an incredible songwriter, dancer, and powerful performer - in my eyes this makes his music good.

 

Rap - another genre I highly dislike. I hate the culture, the song topics, etc, etc. But rap can be a pretty hard skill to master; as much as I may hate the genre some rappers work their [wagon] off to be good at what they do, and they can be really talented.

 

Flip side: I love guitar riffs - all metal appeals to me to a degree (though I'm not a big fan of screaming) but sometimes there are metal bands, or rock bands, who record their tracks, throw them into protools, and then expect to be huge hits. I don't consider them talented, therefore I consider that bad music.

 

And there's the Disney (type) artists. For example, Justin Beiber. His songs aren't terrible, but they're not him. He is a creation of advertizing, sound manipulation, and clever image creation - therefore I consider his work bad music.

 

Anyway...it works for me!

[RUNESCAPEfantasy]

i myself find rap/hiphop bad music where as other people would find them great

i class most music i dont listen to as bad because i only listen to music that i can connect to (yellowcards light up the sky for example is about depression)

 

oh and disney artist

[Johannas]

I don't classify 'bad music' as music, it's more of an irritating noise.

[Tacos]

Pop, rap, hip hop, country.

 

I don't seem to like them. Rap, hip hop, and country all use fakish voices, and they all sound the same. Pop is just too up beat.

[pegpenguin]

That envy band posted on here was a HORRIBLE example of screamo. They have no sense of timing and are wretched screamers...

 

that extratone thing was...humiliating lol I thought it would be cool but it was just beats played really fast, like 1000 bpm which just blended together and sounded horrible.

 

I'm pretty sure Y_guy hit the nail on the head, it's about talent. Michael Jackson, though I dislike his music, I still respect it, Justin Bieber, looks and sings like a 12 year old and is just handed the music he performs...well he just sucks.

 

Rap is a hard skill to master, but not a hard one to get the basics of so we have a bunch of idiots running around thinking their the best, and all the real masters get swept under the rug cause most people can't understand how good a master really is.

[Jernlov]

That envy band posted on here was a HORRIBLE example of screamo. They have no sense of timing and are wretched screamers...

 

You hate on Envy, yet fail to post what you think is better? If you think they are horrible, at least put some weight behind your statement. Also, no sense of timing? What are you on about? It's in perfect time; they change time signatures quite a lot. Also, I think that Tetsuya is one of the best screamo vocalists there is out there. I suggest reading their lyrics (there are translations) too. I'm really interested in what you think is better than Envy, seeing as you just flat out posted that they are horrible without offering anything alternative to them.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgR5Z9Fx1is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfivkS4A1UE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3G1Q0vy1ys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIV2cBa8yiU

 

 

Possible alternatives to Envy.

[Orpheus]

It all comes down to taste in my opinion. I just call it bad if it's banal to the ears. Or if it's "corporate", like those Disney "artists", as others have said.

[Skeptical]

Anything that has been created by the corporate machine. It's just crap to make us all bow down to the regime.

 

All of the garbage that Disney cranks out is just what people are indoctrinated with, what they are told that they should like. I don't hate The Jonas Brothers, or Hannah Montana, I hate what they represent: the culmination of several hundred years of people trying to turn the great unwashed into clanking engines of profit to drive the economic machine. I'm sure that they're OK people: they may actually believe the junk about purity and [lack of corporate] responsibility. The idea of my siblings growing up with this, the influence that the regime has over their minds and bodies... it's frightening, especially when something that used to be as anti-establishment as music has been turned to their own ends.

[Maze]

Anything that is poorly made/rushed to make money is bad music in my eyes.

 

And anything that some kids listen to at my school. Seriously, what the [bleep] is the "Jerk"? And I hate those rappers who sing about how many girls and how much money they have.

 

Rock music is, unfortunately, one of the only genres I can appreciate these days. A lot of other genres have been butchered by bad artists.

 

Then again, this is just my opinion.

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

Good music. Bad music. Hmm.

 

Obviously, talent. I can't stand when people judge a band/artist by his/her/their genre. "Hey, have you heard of (insert band name here)? I love them." "What kind of music do they do?" "(insert genre here)" "Eeeew. [Genre] sucks, they're no good if they play that".

 

Let's take a previously used example; Michael Jackson.

 

To me, his music isn't that great to listen to. However, it's un-deniable he had talent. He was an amazing singer, song writer and dancer - and a fantastic live performer. I don't overly enjoy listening to his music, but I have great respect for him, and for his talent

 

Now, let's look at an untalented artist:

...Alright, I'll admit, I don't know of any (other then auditions on Americian Idol). Yes, this includes Miley Cyrus. Yes, this includes the Jonas brothers. They have talent (although, i still consider their music 'bad', which I will explain in a bit). They can sing. The only untalented artists I can think of are artist's who's voices are completely auto tuned. Even then, they still have potential to be ok songs.

 

The song itself.

 

Obviously, how well it was written. Being a songwriter myself, I know it's not easy to write them. Lyrics by themselves are hard to write. Instrumentals are very hard as well. Being able to mesh them together, and make it fit... Very difficult indeed. If the song is well written, sometimes the fact that the artist isn't all that great is excuseable.

 

Lastly, the 'method' as I call it.

 

What the music stands for. WHY it was written. Who it was written by. If it was written by the artist, it usually sounds better, because it's easier to connect with, and just sounds more realistic. Was it written in a shallow, cliche way? What's it about? Can you 'connect' to it? All very important characteristics, and often the defining point between a disney artist's song and something...a bit better.

 

Put them together. Talent, song, method. All three of them, put together, can make a great song. If it's lacking one of the three, in my opinion, it often makes for a bad song.

[scootlaboot]

Pop, rap, hip hop, country.

 

Please don't insult music by claiming that rap is music.

[Dax]

Recent pop music, and by recent, I mean anything from the 90s onwards, really. Older pop is epic, but today's is absolute crap.

[Orpheus]

Pop, rap, hip hop, country.

 

Please don't insult music by claiming that rap is music.

 

Rap IS music, it just focuses on a different type of music. It doesn't incorporate any form of melody in most cases, usually rhythm and lyrics.

[scootlaboot]

Pop, rap, hip hop, country.

 

Please don't insult music by claiming that rap is music.

 

Rap IS music, it just focuses on a different type of music. It doesn't incorporate any form of melody in most cases, usually rhythm and lyrics.

Nobody who loves music considers rap to be music, it is the equivalent of taking a black and white picture of a chair and calling it "art".

[Skull]

Pop, rap, hip hop, country.

 

Please don't insult music by claiming that rap is music.

 

Rap IS music, it just focuses on a different type of music. It doesn't incorporate any form of melody in most cases, usually rhythm and lyrics.

Nobody who loves music considers rap to be music, it is the equivalent of taking a black and white picture of a chair and calling it "art".

Oh no guys, the authority on everything is here. Bow down to his superior understanding of all things artistic.

[Lemeja]

The definition of music is for me is something that attempts to control a person through sound, whether it's emotionally or physically. So if it doesn't make you feel something or make you want to move, it's bad music. The "disney artists" and such still can do this for some people, so the music itself isn't always bad to me, but the means how it was made or maybe some of the ethics behind it are. And, yes, people that love music can also like rap :rolleyes:

[scootlaboot]

The definition of music is for me is something that attempts to control a person through sound, whether it's emotionally or physically. So if it doesn't make you feel something or make you want to move, it's bad music. The "disney artists" and such still can do this for some people, so the music itself isn't always bad to me, but the means how it was made or maybe some of the ethics behind it are. And, yes, people that love music can also like rap :rolleyes:

That is what is called a contradiction kind sir.

[Skully]

Anything that involves screaming, that is not talented in any way.

[Lemeja]

The definition of music is for me is something that attempts to control a person through sound, whether it's emotionally or physically. So if it doesn't make you feel something or make you want to move, it's bad music. The "disney artists" and such still can do this for some people, so the music itself isn't always bad to me, but the means how it was made or maybe some of the ethics behind it are. And, yes, people that love music can also like rap :rolleyes:

That is what is called a contradiction kind sir.

 

Explain? People move to rap music all the time. Raps with powerful lyrics make people think. And raps DO have music behind them believe it or not.

[scootlaboot]

The definition of music is for me is something that attempts to control a person through sound, whether it's emotionally or physically. So if it doesn't make you feel something or make you want to move, it's bad music. The "disney artists" and such still can do this for some people, so the music itself isn't always bad to me, but the means how it was made or maybe some of the ethics behind it are. And, yes, people that love music can also like rap :rolleyes:

That is what is called a contradiction kind sir.

 

Explain? People move to rap music all the time. Raps with powerful lyrics make people think. And raps DO have music behind them believe it or not.

Music is made by people, and rappers are not people. Therefore rap is not music. (Note: This has nothing to do race. It is just my opinion of the genre in general.) I didn't realize I had to put In my opinion before and after everything I said. And don't give me the whole "but you said it as a blanket statement" crap. What I originally said is my opinion the fact that it irks people is just a pleasant bonus. Heck the only reason I keep posting is it is just funny watching people trying to "change my views" or "prove me that I'm wrong". It would be best to stop this pointless arguing before this entire topic becomes riddled with spam.

[champion]

Music is made by people, and rappers are not people.

...What?

[mcneilp]

Music is made by people, and rappers are not people. Therefore rap is not music. (Note: This has nothing to do race. It is just my opinion of the genre in general.) I didn't realize I had to put In my opinion before and after everything I said. And don't give me the whole "but you said it as a blanket statement" crap. What I originally said is my opinion the fact that it irks people is just a pleasant bonus. Heck the only reason I keep posting is it is just funny watching people trying to "change my views" or "prove me that I'm wrong". It would be best to stop this pointless arguing before this entire topic becomes riddled with spam.

Explain that please, i really don't get what you're trying to say.

[Danqazmlp]

Rap isn't always RnB rap, so it can't overall be called bad. Linkin park use a lot of rap, Zebrahead (not the best example but still) Use rap, they are not RnB which imo is what scoot has a problem with.

[D3AD1Y]

I don't know a whole lot of people who would deny the musical talent of some rappers. It's damn near impossible to say that Jay-Z, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and Common (among others) don't have any musical talent or ability. I don't enjoy most of the rap [cabbage] that's played on the radio, but I could sit and listen to a good rap/hip-hop record for days. Atmosphere is yet another example of musical skill present in rap or hip hop. I beg you to listen to Yesterday and still say that rap is not a skill and an art form, even if it's just at times. The song has real meaning and emotion. It's not written about anything trashy at all. It's written about how much the narrrator misses his dead father and how he wants to see him again. I hope this helps with some views..