Obtaurian Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 I've never played WoW, but I know a LOT about it through my friends (same ones who play LoL now), and one thing I like about WoW that Runescape definitely does not have is good customer service. For those who don't know, WoW hires people who will actually PM you in-game (and I think even show up as a physical character) if you really need help with something. I understand why Runescape can't do something like that (Blizzard is a HUGE company), but I do wish Runescape's customer support was better. Though, I've never had a problem so severe that I needed customer support. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity? ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elucin8er Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 This isn't constructive towards the topic. We're not comparing which game is better, we're saying why we choose one game over others - and the reasons have been perfectly valid. Proper Daily blogging including Starcraft 2! Includes goal for 80+ all stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la la la Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezz Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW.Yeah, the same reason that the CoD community is so bad really. Same problem there. [insert birds flying in a circle here]Yes, that sig was annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripsis Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I've never played WoW, but I know a LOT about it through my friends (same ones who play LoL now), and one thing I like about WoW that Runescape definitely does not have is good customer service. For those who don't know, WoW hires people who will actually PM you in-game (and I think even show up as a physical character) if you really need help with something. I understand why Runescape can't do something like that (Blizzard is a HUGE company), but I do wish Runescape's customer support was better. Though, I've never had a problem so severe that I needed customer support.Yeah same thing with LOTRO. Their customer support has helped me at times when I expected a flat out "no." Like I accidentally destroyed an item and they actually private messaged me to talk and then returned it to my inventory for me. I was expecting a "You destroyed it - it's your fault" kind of thing. - 99 fletching | 99 thieving | 99 construction | 99 herblore | 99 smithing | 99 woodcutting - - 99 runecrafting - 99 prayer - 125 combat - 95 farming - - Blog - DeviantART - Book Reviews & Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troacctid Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW.PKers make up only a very small portion of the community, actually. Read my blog | Follow me on Twitter | Track my XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxshady Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW.PKers make up only a very small portion of the community, actually. Ever heard of a vocal minority? The Pk Community is actually small, but in terms of perception they make themselves and their opinions known very loudly. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re4p3r1 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW.PKers make up only a very small portion of the community, actually.it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more mature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxshady Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Someone just needs to ask the question: Why is the RS community so bad, even if the game is good? What defining feature of it has caused such immaturity?Because the pking community in runescape is so large, it fosters an "I'm better than you" attitude rather than the "Let's work together" attitude from raiding in parties in WoW.PKers make up only a very small portion of the community, actually.it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more mature Also a good point. If a game is F2P it will inherently contain more immature/young/rude players simply because there is no barrier of entry. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Like someone said a few posts up, I think it's a lot like CoD's community. There's a huge emphasis on solo-play and competition in Runescape, whereas with games like WoW and LoL you're pretty much always in a team. While I think certain parts of the community (like the PKing community) contribute, it's mostly the way the game is played by most people. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3nslavE Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I'm not really sure why I play RS over other MMOs The only other MMOs I've played were all F2P supported by micro-transactions, so I can't really speak for other P2P MMOs, but I didn't care for the F2P model much because those who had the irl money were typically much better equipped compared to others the same level. I understand people need an incentive to pay, so I suppose it all works out for everyone involved Methinks if Jagex ever decided for RS to be supported by micro-transactions, I'd probably go back to rolling on DA:O or Morrowind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re4p3r1 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I'm not really sure why I play RS over other MMOs The only other MMOs I've played were all F2P supported by micro-transactions, so I can't really speak for other P2P MMOs, but I didn't care for the F2P model much because those who had the irl money were typically much better equipped compared to others the same level. I understand people need an incentive to pay, so I suppose it all works out for everyone involved Methinks if Jagex ever decided for RS to be supported by micro-transactions, I'd probably go back to rolling on DA:O or Morrowindmicros are complete fails, business wise and when it comes to the games. paying for unfair advantages leaves no room for fun; perfect world, i'm looking at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxshady Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I'm not really sure why I play RS over other MMOs The only other MMOs I've played were all F2P supported by micro-transactions, so I can't really speak for other P2P MMOs, but I didn't care for the F2P model much because those who had the irl money were typically much better equipped compared to others the same level. I understand people need an incentive to pay, so I suppose it all works out for everyone involved Methinks if Jagex ever decided for RS to be supported by micro-transactions, I'd probably go back to rolling on DA:O or Morrowindmicros are complete fails, business wise and when it comes to the games. paying for unfair advantages leaves no room for fun; perfect world, i'm looking at you. Microtransactions can actually work really well. If the company is smart they can use it wisely. Riot Games does a great job of incentivising purchases in League of Legends, but everything that can be purchased can also be earned by playing (other than cosmetic skins), so it's not unbalanced for people who don't want to pay. ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepsiguy Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.ya i remember when i was f2p i met some good people back then, but sometimes when walking around you would see people saying press 123 for gf/bf or dancing for money or need 5k or things like that,and what annoys me is people say they got hacked and lost everything, im not treying to be a jackass but how do you get hacked nowadays, i mean i purposly have done it once when i was f2p but the dude only sold everything and got black (g) armour so it wasnt a big deal, but then it only annoys me when i see a lvl 120+ saying they have been hacked cuase i would want that account and not throw everything away(i dont hack/take accounts btw). it also annoys me people that try to be a keyboard badass, just becuase im playing the minigame right/hitting the npc before you doesnt mean you have to call me a nerd/noob/no lifer etc it bugs me when people do that. grow up and stop crying. ot: i like playing this cuase i havent grind yet, i like wow for its minigames like the capture the flag one, and the bosses, but its sometimes annoying to have to use 5-10 different spells/attacks but its still fun The once was a mexican called pepsi,Or maybe it's just he had Hep C,He was a pretty cool bro,Bros generally are you know,He hailed from the land of 'taters,He was known to hate many-a-hater,He likes a girl named Lacey,His thoughts about her are kind of racy,And also his dad likes to [rooster]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danqazmlp Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I've never played WoW, but I know a LOT about it through my friends (same ones who play LoL now), and one thing I like about WoW that Runescape definitely does not have is good customer service. For those who don't know, WoW hires people who will actually PM you in-game (and I think even show up as a physical character) if you really need help with something. I understand why Runescape can't do something like that (Blizzard is a HUGE company), but I do wish Runescape's customer support was better. Though, I've never had a problem so severe that I needed customer support.Yeah same thing with LOTRO. Their customer support has helped me at times when I expected a flat out "no." Like I accidentally destroyed an item and they actually private messaged me to talk and then returned it to my inventory for me. I was expecting a "You destroyed it - it's your fault" kind of thing. runescapes the ONLY company that laughs at you (I know they dont but it feels like it sometimes) if you lose your items. Every other game i played big or small does return lost or stolen items. The downsides to runescape are the community and the company that runs it. From where I see it however, they have good reason not to give items back. Unlike many other MMO's, in Runescape you lose items on death. In other MMO's, the main reasons for losing items are small mistakes such as accidental dropping, and there are not many legitimate (not making mistakes) ways of losing items. However, In Runescape, people can lose an item legitimately by death, and claim to have lost it in another way. Because of this, they NEED to blanket refuse to give any items back. It is more because of immature players trying to cheat the system than the company itself. Want to be my friend? Look under my name to the left<<< and click the 'Add as friend' button!Big thanks to Stevepole for the signature!^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re4p3r1 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.i definitely agree that there are mature people in f2p and i also definitely agree there are immature people in p2p as well. but if you play f2p FoG you'll get a lot of comments like that (prayer n00b, pure gtfo pl0x, etc). and the same goes for p2p castle wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maze Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share Posted September 13, 2010 Or Barbarian Assault. "lol nub lern 2 pleh def" >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 In my experience, generally speaking, members is more mature... But not by much... O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.Soo, you say that because 1.) you know good F2P'ers', and 2.) They are good F2P'ers, that a+b=c, where c=F2P'ers are nice. Which isn't true. Take offense if you will, but it still remains that the stereotypical F2P'er is either a noob, an idiot, or a pure... [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.i definitely agree that there are mature people in f2p and i also definitely agree there are immature people in p2p as well. but if you play f2p FoG you'll get a lot of comments like that (prayer n00b, pure gtfo pl0x, etc). and the same goes for p2p castle wars. I notice the link between combat, especially PvP, and immaturity. Maybe this is just the result of how combat is designed in Runescape? Barring lunar magic, which only sees play in a limited number of situations, there's no real content that actively involves teamwork in combat. A team in WoW is much more effective together than if the individuals rush in separately, Leeroy Jenkins style. A Runescape team can really only function as individuals fighting the same targets, and there's very little you can do to aid your allies. Maybe this is just something that needs tending to by Jagex? ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troacctid Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.i definitely agree that there are mature people in f2p and i also definitely agree there are immature people in p2p as well. but if you play f2p FoG you'll get a lot of comments like that (prayer n00b, pure gtfo pl0x, etc). and the same goes for p2p castle wars. I notice the link between combat, especially PvP, and immaturity. Maybe this is just the result of how combat is designed in Runescape? Barring lunar magic, which only sees play in a limited number of situations, there's no real content that actively involves teamwork in combat. A team in WoW is much more effective together than if the individuals rush in separately, Leeroy Jenkins style. A Runescape team can really only function as individuals fighting the same targets, and there's very little you can do to aid your allies. Maybe this is just something that needs tending to by Jagex?Dungeoneering, Barbarian Assault, and Castle Wars, for example, all operate on a pretty teamwork-heavy paradigm where an organized group is much more effective than the sum of its parts. Read my blog | Follow me on Twitter | Track my XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 it's most likely the amount of immature free-to-players or young children playing the game. Hate to say it but pay-to-play members are more mature and helpful. in general p2p play games are mostly adult or older people who are usually a little more matureI'm sorry, but I take offense at that. Most free play friends I know are great friends to talk to, and aren't actually showoffs in any way (aside from what they wear, but that doesn't really count). There's this maxed free player that comes into this dungeoneering clan chat that I go to (they are GOOD, btw), but does she ever mention anything about it? NO. In fact, this other day, while I was slaying greaters on my p2p account, some 105 comes and was like "gtfo black mask noob, go to the other side". I don't recall hearing anything like that in free play, at least not when I was cockroach killing. Yes I know that since it's free, there will be more players and a greater chance of immaturity, but please, don't assume that just because it's free it will be full of immature [wagon]es. The free community is better than you think.i definitely agree that there are mature people in f2p and i also definitely agree there are immature people in p2p as well. but if you play f2p FoG you'll get a lot of comments like that (prayer n00b, pure gtfo pl0x, etc). and the same goes for p2p castle wars. I notice the link between combat, especially PvP, and immaturity. Maybe this is just the result of how combat is designed in Runescape? Barring lunar magic, which only sees play in a limited number of situations, there's no real content that actively involves teamwork in combat. A team in WoW is much more effective together than if the individuals rush in separately, Leeroy Jenkins style. A Runescape team can really only function as individuals fighting the same targets, and there's very little you can do to aid your allies. Maybe this is just something that needs tending to by Jagex?Dungeoneering, Barbarian Assault, and Castle Wars, for example, all operate on a pretty teamwork-heavy paradigm where an organized group is much more effective than the sum of its parts.You clearly don't have too much esperience with good combat-based multiplayer games. Barbarian assault is still "single player" (each player just has his task) - you can't help each other really much with what they do. Castle wars is exactly as the OP suggested: limited to piling. Dungeoneering is the only place where teamwork is really good! First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBeATank Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I have to agree here, there is almost no ability to help other people aside from piling. Maybe Jagex could implement a way for players to heal other players without the use of food? LIke at x Constitution you can heal x Life points on an injured person. Do keep a level head my friend,in times when Danger rears its headAgainst excessive joy defend,O, my comrade doomed to die. ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τὰς Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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