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Time for a new release of the: >>>Tip.It Times!<<<

 

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Nice Times, what a way to end the year.


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I enjoyed the first and the third article the most. They gave a refreshing view on this whole 'issue' (or however I should name it). I agree the most with the third article. I was actually quite shocked when I first noticed this whole.. petition and afterwards phase 2. Since, what should we expect now? Will they attempt to get as most of money out of RS as possible to afterwards shut it down? So that we would be offered the suggestion to move to SD? (Which probably will be released by then). (Completely crazy idea, I know, and probably won't happen)

 

I think this has to do with the millions they lost on Mechscape, this could be their Saviour, to get some extra budget in the pocket.

 

Now, to quote the first article :

 

"I don’t plan on quitting, or pretending that this is the Runescape apocalypse, if the new Wildy and free trade does go through… but I’d like to know how deeply Jagex have disappointed this loyal believer in them. I thought that you knew better and no amount of ‘phases’ is going to change it."

 

I couldn't agree more. My idea on this is exactly the same.

 

Edit : Just an opinion, I know you probably disagree :P.


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CatherbyCurmudgeon, Racheya brilliant. These things had been floating around my head for a while but I hadn't quite been able to put my finger on it as clearly as you have. It is very worrisome. All we can hope is that they in fact do have a new and far superior macro detection system ready like they claim. If they do though, I don't see why they shouldn't put it in place now and see if it can stop the current bots. I'm as worried as you are. I loved the old days but there is something a bit scary about Jagex going against all the pillars of what they stood for (article 3) in such a shoddy manner (article1). Either way, this isn't really in any of our hands, the decision was probably made before the polls were. The polls are just a way to get old players who quit involved again. Shame that they need to resort to publicity stunts when the way this game originally became great was through word of mouth, friend to friend.

 

Oh, and I don't doubt that for the first time in a month or so the Times might get a little flak. *grabs popcorn* Goodluck.


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re: "What Does This Mean?"

 

It only seems to be a 180 degree turn because it's been so suddenly sprung on the Community-at-large. They have obviously been tossing this around for a while in Jagex Towers. It’s a slick marketing ploy to get players to spend their Xmas cash with Jagex.

 

Oh, and also - First to go Ackbar:

 

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re: Wilderness & Free Trade Poll

 

I definitely agree the first poll was a sham was for PR only. While I didn't notice it, the whole Guinness World Record thing was pretty tell-tale. Still, if you look at the big picture, this whole thing is a PR stunt. Why suddenly care about their players? Why suddenly listen to their players? I think this poll, or rather, future update has gotten more notice and is more (in)famous than any other update since December 2007.

Can't blame Jagex though. They are simply keeping Runescape alive for another few years.


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Mirror's article was beautiful. Reminds us that everything comes and goes and we should enjoy what we have at the present moment :)


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To the wilderness article, you sure make a lot of unsupported claims.

 

You dont know the mind of Jagex and dont claim to, if you made this article on Jan 14th and Jagex said they plan on bringing it back you could say that, but there is always the chance Jagex could say no. Also Jagex could not win a world record for the largest poll. The largest poll wouldve had to of been past 10mil and their limits stopped at 9,999,999.

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@ Old Wilderness and Free Trade;

 

Yes, the poll was very poorly built, even the new one with the "No" option. Why? I'd love to see the return of Free Trade! However, I voted "No" because I dread to see the return of, gulp, the Old Wild.

 

I SUCK at PVP, I hate it down to the bone. PVP-ing for me is just a waste of Time and Money. I'm terrified, because when I casted my vote, the "Yes" option was dominating at 91%. I'm scared that the Old Wild may return, and I will be forced to stay on the safe side of the border, knowing jumping the wall will lead me to death and destruction.

 

I hope that when Jagex has to bring back the Old Wild (It's obvious the rest of the community wants it), they listen to the pleas of the few players like me, and replace the PVP Worlds with "Old Wild" worlds, while the rest have the "New NO PVP Wild".

 

And while I'd love Free Trade to come back, I will admit to being a bit worried on the effects it will have on the Economy. Also, they stated, "The Grand Exchange will no longer have limits on [garden tool] much you spend", and that worries me. When trading over the G.E I ALWAYS buy at max and sell at min, but if these limits are removed I will face some tough time buying and selling goods. I don't pay attention to the economy and street prices at all, so if these limits are removed, as I said before, I will be in very bad shape.

 

Oh well, I guess I have to wait and see what happens. I have to hope for the best and expect the worst. I'll just have to re-learn life in RS, and cope with all the changes. :ohnoes:

 

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@ Old Wilderness and Free Trade;

 

Yes, the poll was very poorly built, even the new one with the "No" option. Why? I'd love to see the return of Free Trade! However, I voted "No" because I dread to see the return of, gulp, the Old Wild.

 

I SUCK at PVP, I hate it down to the bone. PVP-ing for me is just a waste of Time and Money. I'm terrified, because when I casted my vote, the "Yes" option was dominating at 91%. I'm scared that the Old Wild may return, and I will be forced to stay on the safe side of the border, knowing jumping the wall will lead me to death and destruction.

 

I hope that when Jagex has to bring back the Old Wild (It's obvious the rest of the community wants it), they listen to the pleas of the few players like me, and replace the PVP Worlds with "Old Wild" worlds, while the rest have the "New NO PVP Wild".

 

And while I'd love Free Trade to come back, I will admit to being a bit worried on the effects it will have on the Economy. Also, they stated, "The Grand Exchange will no longer have limits on [garden tool] much you spend", and that worries me. When trading over the G.E I ALWAYS buy at max and sell at min, but if these limits are removed I will face some tough time buying and selling goods. I don't pay attention to the economy and street prices at all, so if these limits are removed, as I said before, I will be in very bad shape.

 

Oh well, I guess I have to wait and see what happens. I have to hope for the best and expect the worst. I'll just have to re-learn life in RS, and cope with all the changes. :ohnoes:

 

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The wilderness was meant to be dangerous, current RS fails to make it as dangerous as it was before. Its clear to see that the wilderness isnt as dangerous with revs as it was with pkers. Therefor Jagex failed there, and 2010 products are growing complacent with this ease. Having pvp only on specific worlds doesnt make the wilderness dangerous still, what dont you get with that?

 

The GE will still work, if people are able to hoard thats because too much money is in the game and not enough items, therefor the price would be artificially low regardless, if the price rises to an unnatural price and people arent willing to pay it, you arent bound by the GE price on it, solving merch clans and unbuyable items like party hats. The affects will only be positive.

 

Im just glad your not one of those people raving about how bots and rwting will come back, they never left :wall:

Theres more bots now then 07 except they are doing better stuff then ess mining or yew cutting

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It’s obvious that the overwhelming majority of the community would want to have the wilderness and free trade back. I refuse to believe that Jagex don’t understand that.

 

First and third article:

 

What Jagex couldn't know - and what the first tally was designed to count - was how people who joined after the removal of free trade felt about these changes. The "poll" did have a use! It proved that it was more than a "vocal minority" who wanted changes made, since the number of votes per unit time exceeded the ability of a small group to produce through bots/scripts/name harvesting.

 

Yes, the vote tally looks foolish now that the referendum is out. It was a way to gauge interest as well as hype the update and get players excited about it, so criticisms on Jagex's use of hyping tools would have been appropriate and interesting. But attacking the vote tally as a bad way of polling is just flat out incorrect - it wasn't meant to be a true referendum-style vote. It seems these articles were written before the referendum came out and then hastily edited at the last moment to try to keep the same point. The end result: articles on the wrong issues with arguments based on refusing to understand the two-phase system.


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Even though I voted in the first one [i actually put my name in], I voted no on the actual one. This poses an interesting conundrum, and I'm not happy about it. Awesome articles though.

 

Great ending to the fiction, what's next? :thumbsup:

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I'm not a fan of the wilderness coming back, but if it removes stupid statues, I'm all for it...

I do not think free trade should come back though... Scamming is one of the things I do not miss...

 

And one point stands; if the things that were about to kill Jagex in 2007 still remained, and Jagex is still here, and Wildy and Free Trade made it much much worse, why bring it back?

Why not test these RWT and botting detection things BEFORE wildy and free trade are back???


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I'm not a fan of the wilderness coming back, but if it removes stupid statues, I'm all for it...

I do not think free trade should come back though... Scamming is one of the things I do not miss...

 

And one point stands; if the things that were about to kill Jagex in 2007 still remained, and Jagex is still here, and Wildy and Free Trade made it much much worse, why bring it back?

Why not test these RWT and botting detection things BEFORE wildy and free trade are back???

They said they could handle the problems..

 

For them the problems were the usage of stolen credit cards. - And I think they can now handle the companies threats!


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So they "sort of" admit they cant handle botters and RWT, and therefor roll over?

 

If that's the case, then please rollback the Pure ess update too :D

 

Oh and hawkxs; thanks for the artwork :)

From now on I will return to my regular schedule of a once-a-month-feature, unless I find inspiration again for such a fan-fic...


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When if they have a list of users who they know bot, and plan to mass ban all of them and post them on the front page once they get more players.

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When if they have a list of users who they know bot, and plan to mass ban all of them and post them on the front page once they get more players.

 

They'd just create new accounts.

 

@Changing essence split: the time to unchange it was while trade is restricted. Merging it now would be unfair to f2p and would increase the RWT problem unless they've got a different plan to combat bots.


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When if they have a list of users who they know bot, and plan to mass ban all of them and post them on the front page once they get more players.

 

They'd just create new accounts.

 

@Changing essence split: the time to unchange it was while trade is restricted. Merging it now would be unfair to f2p and would increase the RWT problem unless they've got a different plan to combat bots.

You know it was splitted way, way before the restricted was introduced?


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When if they have a list of users who they know bot, and plan to mass ban all of them and post them on the front page once they get more players.

 

They'd just create new accounts.

 

@Changing essence split: the time to unchange it was while trade is restricted. Merging it now would be unfair to f2p and would increase the RWT problem unless they've got a different plan to combat bots.

You know it was splitted way, way before the restricted was introduced?

 

Yes I do. It was split before the trade changes as an attempt to combat RWT before the more drastic steps. The time to change it back was therefore when the more drastic steps led to an ease in the conditions it was meant to combat, making the split useless. The split is useful when RWT is at its peaks without trade restrictions and useless when more dramatic approaches were taken. Nowhere in my post did I suggest anything to the contrary, and it's comments like that that get these topics locked.


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At least I'm not alone in my fear of the Wildy!!!

 

I can see a lot of positives for the end of a trading cap. I've spent hours waiting for 15 mins to click by and reset a trading limit, which is a real pain. But I've also benefited from friends of a higher level 'gifting' me items, I got my first items of Dragon armour as gifts (for my birthday :)), which with the current trading cap I would never have got. I've also helped out folks I know in real life who were just trying out the game, most of them have gone on to become members. GE prices are easy enough to check, so just as in the real world, look for the best price you can. So scamming shouldn't be the issue it used to be.

 

I've also benefited from the 'Old Wildy' experience, but only with lots of luck, and I've died lots of times. Those are the chances you take, so it's good advice to not take anything you can't afford to loose into the wild.

 

But aren't the return of the Wildy and Free Trade two seperate things?


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You know, I think the most likely reason for the free trade thing is that apparently it's now illegal in China to gold farm; specifically, gold farming on video games with the intent to profit is now illegal, apparently. If this is true, that's a highly likely reason for it; I think the real reason the trade limit went away wasn't so much bots and RWT directly; rather the credit card companies threatened to stop supporting RuneScape because of all the credit card fraut involved with RWT, as the RWT'ers wanted members accounts. Now that it's illegal in China, this will be much, much less of an issue.

 

Well, that's what I think is the most probable theory.

 

To above: yes, the old wilde and free trade are seperate things. I wonder what would happen if we could vote only for free trade instead of the old wilde.

 

I'm not a fan of the wilderness coming back, but if it removes stupid statues, I'm all for it...

I do not think free trade should come back though... Scamming is one of the things I do not miss...

 

And one point stands; if the things that were about to kill Jagex in 2007 still remained, and Jagex is still here, and Wildy and Free Trade made it much much worse, why bring it back?

Why not test these RWT and botting detection things BEFORE wildy and free trade are back???

 

The old wilde can't come back with free trade. Otherwise, the wilderness will become a way RWT, get around GE, etc, and also contribute heavily to scamming because you don't know what the person will do after (s)he gets the item.


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I've been around for a long long time but I neglect logging in I just lurk around tip.it but I really enjoyed this read and felt I should sign in and express my joy. I agree with the ending paragraph I too hope when my clock reaches 0:00 I'll have enjoyed my time here and be able to look back and say it was fun.

 

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Its not hard to avoid scams. First of all buy entirely off the GE. Cleanest way to avoid getting scammed.

 

If you are buying something not available on the GE, such as a new release item or a rare BE ABSOLUTELY SURE OF THE STREET PRICE BEFORE PAYING and check the amount of money they give you carefully.

 

In the case that you are giving the money and they are giving the item be sure to make sure its exactly what your buying in the confirm screen.

 

Old tricks, switching 1mil for 100k, switching d legs for d hide chaps, etc.

 

Luring is obvious how to avoid, only trade them in a bank, if they say they are alching in a cool spot by the wilderness tell them if they want to trade they will have to come to you.

 

Also the trade imbalance screen will likely still be there, if you are selling an item at GE mid price or buying the trade imbalance should be 0.

 

Remember if you are unsure of the use or worth of an item that you are planning on buying - use the grand exchange price as a guide. Check the GE graphs as well as if you see its been dropping for the past few months you probably wouldnt want to buy it at the GE mid price from someone, or it could be a "Junk" item that is artificially overpriced (such as mint cakes before the nerf, were 30k+ in the GE but really worth only a few coins when not being used as junk). How to avoid buying artificially high junk items, simply if you dont know what it is used for dont buy it. Dont buy a "rare" eggroll for 2mil when it says its worth 5gp in trade.

 

 

Its a hassle to avoid scams but anyone with half a brain can follow these steps to avoid getting scammed, and freedom is worth the possible risk of geting scammed.

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Alright...first, I really like the idea of the old wilderness. It adds so much fun into the game, seeing as a few quests are actually based in the wildy, and it just isn't even scary anymore in any way with the Revs. They're easy to run from, or kill, and pose no challenge, however other players are much bigger threats. I despise the idea of Free Trade, just because it will be very hard to buy and sell for a good price. As someone else said, the economy will be very screwed up, and the GE will just fail, seeing as there is a huge price range. There should be a recommended price for each item, which you can follow or not, but that would also fail, because it wouldn't be able to change, especially if one guy sold, for example, a d med for 1 mil, and someone bought another one for 5k. The average would be screwed up, and wouldn't work, so that probably would fail. I wish they had 2 separate votes, 1 for trade, and one for wildy.

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Very nice article, though it seems to me that for the most part the article was centered around the hating of the first 'poll' Jagex did for the re installation of the Old Wild and free trade. Regarding the validity of the first poll, which you can find stuff about on the world Guinness site lol, in my opinion it definitely seemed pointless as far as the community and game in general is concerned. Not to mention bots like this contributed greatly to that first poll ;P:

 

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Though seeing just the first poll Then the Phase 2 poll made alot of people believe Jagex was trolling, which also isn't the case confirmed by talks in Mod Mark's cc and this post on the maxed forums:

 

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Then seeing as its most likely coming, due to its large popularity and the chances of Jagex bringing up this subject Just for a world record is near 0, people start poking out the Pros and Cons.

 

RWT and botting seem to be the big concern here, but as some people have already stated they still here bots and real world trading are still around as the game is now :P. While most of us who were around back then remember the familiar generic characters with generic names picking away at the flax or chopping at the yews, the bots around today do much more than that. Seeing that the people who owned the bots couldn't freely trade anymore, the idea of botting for resource was out, so whats the next best thing? Selling accounts. The majority of bots around today do a variety of different skills to raise the value of an account, or just used by the lazy teenager that doesn't want to do some 'boring' skill. But also stated earlier, it was more the financial issue that was the original doomsay of runescape that put an end to free trade and wild in the first place.

 

Though many non pkers, such as myself ;), are missing what the free trade aspect will bring. For one the obvious in Mod Mat K's post, the death of Merchant clans, seeing as people can freely trade if needed now. Also things such as Nature and Law run running will be back, but with prices the way they are now pure ess will cost more than the runes we're crafting ;/ (ess mining bots would be a plus lol).

 

But these are just my personal opinions.


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