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prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them
Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

Makes sense to me!


Heh this again. Nothing is stopping pkers from training herblore and taking advantage of it. In the spirit of the game (making the wild as dangerous it can be), Jagex better not be p**** whipped by all the whiners like last time.


That wasn't my point, but ok.


Oh I gotcha, wasn't calling you a whiner, just commenting on how Jagex wants the new wildy to be so hardcore, it would be hypocritical to say "oh but these pots are just too hardcore."


This really gets down to the morals of cheating versus the morals of being forced to throw away your life [1000's of hours] to access content you enjoy

Isn't life about throwing away your life (a job) to access content you enjoy?


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Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.


Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering


Luck? Taco Limey is over rated, and over hyped. Pretty sure he runs around with a divine now anyways. Plus he dies quite a lot too, but he of course doesn't show deaths in his videos. You want to see a less douchey pker look at sparc mac, he actually has videos where he shows himself using statius and a divine, and being koed by a kid in rune, you can't say that this game isn't luck.


I'm not saying luck isn't involved, but you shouldn't say skill isn't involved either. People are able to consistently get over 50/50 win loss ratio even using the same gear. I know for example I am able to do this.

And no, SS flick along with mage/melee pray does take skill, xpx. Even if you think it is a small amount of skill, it is not small for the vast majority of PKers

Also, i think you are disregarding the honor part of it- for alot of people, it was a rule not to pray in nonmulty, just as it's a law not to kill people in real life.

There should e a reason behind honor, and the reason behind not praying for hybrids is dubious in my opinion
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Runescape doesn't take skill so I chuckled a little bit reading your post.


Assuming 50% win ratio, explain how Taco Limey has gotted basically 50+ chaotic mauls and staves at 97 dungeoneering


Luck? Taco Limey is over rated, and over hyped. Pretty sure he runs around with a divine now anyways. Plus he dies quite a lot too, but he of course doesn't show deaths in his videos. You want to see a less douchey pker look at sparc mac, he actually has videos where he shows himself using statius and a divine, and being koed by a kid in rune, you can't say that this game isn't luck.


I'm not saying luck isn't involved, but you shouldn't say skill isn't involved either. People are able to consistently get over 50/50 win loss ratio even using the same gear. I know for example I am able to do this.

And no, SS flick along with mage/melee pray does take skill, xpx. Even if you think it is a small amount of skill, it is not small for the vast majority of PKers


The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.
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because people dont want to bother hybriding

I am very sad to see such a dimwitted comment from you, particularly knowing you are a SAFE pvp prod. Really sad.

And really, praying doesn't require that much skill(and you'll only be praying against two styles, not three, as two way hybriding is much better/realistic in real pvp), and, as sayd by red eyed, there is a reason people look down upon safing aswell- there is no reason to pk if neither player wants to risk losing. Praying eliminates a big part of the risk in pvp.

wait... what? i said that people don't like it when other people use protect prayers because they don't want to bother hybriding.

i didn't say I don't like it when other people use protect prayers because I don't want to bother hybriding.

i have no problem when someone uses protect prayers :unsure:

I'm referring more to the part that any safe pvp prod would disregard hybrid pking- when i still used to team/solo pk at mb/hut, no pker had less than two styles of combat with them. Hybriding has nothing to do with prayers being disallowed. It's usually a clan rule of honor. If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc). If you still think praying gives you the best chance to win, go for it.


Also, i think you are disregarding the honor part of it- for alot of people, it was a rule not to pray in nonmulty, just as it's a law not to kill people in real life.

There should e a reason behind honor, and the reason behind not praying for hybrids is dubious in my opinion

There is- there is no reason to pointlessly prolong fights by something that takes little skill in order to decrease the risk. Safing is looked down upon aswell, and the reasoning is exactly the same as why praying is dishounoable. If nobody uses prayers, the best player will still win, with the exception that there will be more kills between players.

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The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.


cool opinion bro

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid without any of your protect prays being late

If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.
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The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.


cool opinion bro

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid



Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.
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The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.


cool opinion bro

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid


Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.


Then I have no reason to believe that you are right, lol.
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The only "Skill" that is really involved is being able to click fast, not really a skill if you ask me. And ss/protect flicking takes barely a day to get the hang of, unless your handicapped.


cool opinion bro

can i get a vid of you ss flicking against a tribrid



Thanks for the educated response, and no you can't.


Then I have no reason to believe that you are right, lol.


I don't need you to believe me, computer is to slow to video anyways.
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If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

If it were deemed honorable, trust me, everyone would be an ace in prayer switching. It's not really a divine skill, even though you might think you are divine for mastering it.

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If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

If it were deemed honorable, trust me, everyone would be an ace in prayer switching. It's not really a divine skill, even though you might think you are divine for mastering it.


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If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

If it were deemed honorable, trust me, everyone would be an ace in prayer switching. It's not really a divine skill, even though you might think you are divine for mastering it.

The fact that people have to take time and learn it shows that it is a skill. I'm not saying it's an amazing skill, I'm just saying it's clearly something that advantages you so why not do it.
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If you aren't honorable and have a need to prolong a fight for no apparent reason, look for your enemies to pray against you and use cheap tactics on you aswell(running on full food, safing, etc).

How and why is prayer switching cheap? It only prolongs the fight if both people know how to do it well. But that's not true.

If it were deemed honorable, trust me, everyone would be an ace in prayer switching. It's not really a divine skill, even though you might think you are divine for mastering it.

The fact that people have to take time and learn it shows that it is a skill. I'm not saying it's an amazing skill, I'm just saying it's clearly something that advantages you so why not do it.


Because, most people will safe against you and run. It's considered not honorable and it makes the ko ability in a fight drop significantly, making pvp boring.
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The fact that people have to take time and learn it shows that it is a skill. I'm not saying it's an amazing skill, I'm just saying it's clearly something that advantages you so why not do it.

Because, as you said, when everyone knows how to prayer switch perfectly(and people will learn in a giffie), it doesn't benefit anyone. Why would we all agree upon something that doesn't benefit anyone? sounds stupid. And not as though it doesn't benefit anyone, it will make pking much more costly and make getting kills much harder. Do you want an empty wilderness?

The dishonor of prayers really needs a real pker to know. If you aren't a pker, it's seemingly hard to understand the honor behind not praying in nonmulty.

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They cant hit high enough to hit through pray :)

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It benefits people who are better at prayer switching. I don't think everybody is equally good at things (any things, really) even if they are all at their best.
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It benefits people who are better at prayer switching. I don't think everybody is equally good at things (any things, really) even if they are all at their best.

The difference is very minute compared to the disadvantages that come from it. Eating full every time you get hit isn't hard, but it does take skill, and not everybody can be equally good at it, so it too can be considered a legit tactic in your book of honor.

Realistically, if you are a good enough hybrid, you will excell one way of the other, so there is no reason really to phantomly make wilderness boring by allowing prayers for everyone. Just think, would anyone even bother fighting someone with a divine(protected by prayers) using protection prayers and a full yak of brews? in all likelyhood, no.

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Well two people with that setup would fight eachother and I'd be happy to watch, sure.
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Well two people with that setup would fight eachother and I'd be happy to watch, sure.

happy to watch a ten minute fight where neither player goes below 500 lp and one bolts after? sure... It sure used to be fun to chase scum in the pirates bar with ten people, only to have them teleport.

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Well two people with that setup would fight eachother and I'd be happy to watch, sure.

happy to watch a ten minute fight where neither player goes below 500 lp and one bolts after? sure... It sure used to be fun to chase scum in the pirates bar with ten people, only to have them teleport.

Yeah I actually enjoy longer fights, yes. Seeing someone run would be a downer, I guess, but that's why you watch duels/clan wars and not Edge pking. A chase across the wilderness near the Chaos Elemental could be fun though.

By the way this seems to be an efficiency issue (somewhat) that is very heavily influenced by fun and other people's perception of fun. Interesting to note imo.
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