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Why are protect prayers so looked down upon in PVP?

The most common line of reasoning is for pvp involving one style of combat. In this case all protect prayers do is extend the battle length, so it was/is a pretty nooby thing to do. It gives no one an advantage. Back a few years ago it also made it nearly impossible to KO.

But is praying so unskilled and useless for modern hybriding? No.
Of course, for a hybrid that is not fast enough to pray the correct prayers, SS is actually significantly better.

Nowadays weapons are significantly more powerful; without praying there is sometimes no way to stop specs without luck. The best defense you have against specs is rocktail+brew+pneck, which may not even be able to cover all of the damage you're getting.

Proper overhead use actually requires skill and quick reactions:
-- Knowing when to SS and when to pray
-- Being quick enough to switch to the right pray
-- Having the reaction to switch back to SS after protecting from a spec
-- SS/prayer flicking and timing

So, as a hybrid and not as a pure meleer, why should I just let you sit there and KO me when there's something I can so easily do to prevent it?

The more nooby move would be to believe in iPKing honor irrelevant to hybriding.

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Tbh prayer is only looked down upon by whiney pkers who have perfect setups to pwn people who dont pray but as soon as u pray they are at a disadvantage and unprepared.

Their failure to prepare ensures you are of course the noob.

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As I understood, it's alright to use all sorts of stuff in simple deathmatches (unicorn, divine, chaotics etc.) but people simply don't want to fight you after a certain point. It's not so much that people consider it dishonourable or anything, it's just pointless to go after a praying target if there are other, easier targets. For dangerous pvp, that is.

Of course in your vids (the ones I've seen) it's safe ffa clan wars or something? In such a situation people just don't have a choice to fight, and it really doesn't matter whether you use prayers.

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Nobody is forcing anyone to not use protection prayer/curses - if you do, most will just pray aswell. There are just some individuals who bring the "honour"-term in pure melee Edge fights to bridding scenarios, which is kind of lame, seeing as the term "no honour" came from hybriding (green drags, mb etc.)

If you master protection prayers/curses hybriding, you should use it in fights as it'll give you a large advantage over people who can't use it properly. I would at least.
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The way I see it is that using prayer is an element of the game, why not use it?
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Way back when I used to PK, back near when I started playing, it seemed an unwritten rule that when PKing you shouldn't pray or else it wasn't an honourable fight so it really depended on how much you cared about people's opinions of you as to wether you prayed or not, although the chances were if you prayed your opponent would run.

Nowadays some players see other players using protection prayers/curses as a sign of weakness and because they didn't think to do it first they of course have to result to insulting the person praying in order to protect their ego. I don't see the problem with the idea that if you've got it, use it. It's like calling someone a noob because they're using a whip when you've only got a D Scim.

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As an extension to this line of reasoning, I don't think modern weapons are overpowered to the point of being uncontrollable. There are two things, other than food, that make modern weapons manageable - praying and divine. Divine is obviously inaccessible to many, but if more people started praying against specs, balance wouldnt be such an isse.
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Oh, how I missed these threads. People are whiny, ignore them.


I missed these threads as well.

Many "hardcore" pkers are just whiny pusses. If things aren't going exactly their way, it's because either you're doing something wrong/against the rules, or the game is broken.
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people cry as they only bring 1 cb style ( just like when you farcast a meleer)
or they dont have the skill to swap pray as well as everything else yet

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The way I see it is that using prayer is an element of the game, why not use it?


Well if you are "dueling" (pking) in lower wilderness, and you pray protection prayers, most times the other person will simply walk out on you. I'm not saying I agree with it, but the honor system was designed to turn fights into who could get the biggest hit first instead of who could outlast their opponent first. "Someone was going to die either way so why not make it quick" was their reasoning.

In my personal opinion, if you can use it then use it. HOWEVER keep in the mind that your opponent walking out of the wilderness is not against the rules either. Upper-wilderness is a different story and prayer there is excepted due to the fact you can't just run away.

Lower wilderness is for "dueling" and "death-matches". Mid to Upper-wilderness is where anything goes. That's the way it's always been and I don't see much of a change anytime soon.

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First off real pvp is not safe clan wars lol, just putting that out there.
Secondly, if you train prayer you should be using it, I constantly overhead on peoples combos/high specs.
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I think this needs to be looked at separately.

Praying overheads in hybrids, deep wildy is fine IMO. Like you said, it might be the only thing to help you survive.

However, in edgeville fights where people are going melee v melee, range v range or range v melee, it's pretty dumb to pray. All that does is make the other person pray, and now you got two people maxing at around 350 and flaming each other. Doesn't make it fun for anyone. IMO it's just better to not pray overheads and accept that you might get ko'd sometimes. Edge is so close to the ditch anyways, for anyone who needs to run, it's not that hard.

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I don't see complaining from the hybrids at castle drags, but people do complain when at edge doing melee vs melee. I basically have the same thoughts as the poster above me.

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Since everyone likes comparing runescape to reality.. Would you hold back with self defense so it's a fair fight or would you do what it takes to defend yourself from getting your ass wooped. I take the later.. But this is a game and people don't like to lose so they whine because the other player is more superior to them.

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They are basically saying "ooh you're not letting me kill you easily!!". Just enjoy the rage while you can.

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prayer and summoning are parts of your combat level, but people don't want you do use them
Extremes and Overloads aren't a part of your level....everyone wants to use them in the new wildy.

Makes sense to me!

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Hybriding is the way to counter it, if someone is ill-prepared that's their own problem, the age demographic of pkers means they have to use guides and pictures of what other people use, and not think on their own two feet.

Use prayer, use whatever you want, in PvP there are no rules, no honour codes it's simply kill or be killed, or in my case; run, eat, dig for treasure trail casket & die.
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Guess people's responses are typical to that of a skiller based forum, if you are pking with overheads it just takes the fun out imo, unless you are a mid level 1 def pure




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