Dragonlordjl Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 In short, you should get both of them to t10 eventually, and I'd actually argue it may be worth it to get both of them before t10 berserker. Higher % chances make a bigger difference than a 1% strength bonus at that token cost, especially the 100% chance of faster cast rate with t10 Blitzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green9090 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Blazer is pretty rarely used once you have t10 blitzer. Unless you plan to have a surge forever (ie never get a hex), I don't think I'd t10 two magic rings. T9 blazer works fine for the 3-4 times a reset I pull it out. Join "DG Sweepers" Clan Chat for Dungeoneering Floors | Accepting all tipiters who are Willing to Learn | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddude42 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Brilliant guide, exactly what I was looking for since I just started seriously Dungeoneering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamra Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 You should note... Denk - Dead End No KeyDewk - Dead End With KeyHT - Home Teleport These are all terms that you don't have down and are used in every dungeon, and I know I didn't know what denk meant when I first heard it. Scream's Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassy Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 You should note... Denk - Dead End With KeyDewk - Dead End With KeyHT - Home Teleport These are all terms that you don't have down and are used in every dungeon, and I know I didn't know what denk meant when I first heard it. Done. Oh the irony of attempting to explain complex subjects only to forget the simple ones. :grin: Click Here for a Common Sense Dungeoneering Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 You should really take Tactician out of the list of ring classes. Also Desperado is now the class of choice for Hexhunter users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo_Monkey Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I loved the guide, any sugestions on soloing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I loved the guide, any sugestions on soloing? Just do what you enjoy the most. Xp sucks regardless. My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I loved the guide, any sugestions on soloing?Do exactly what you do in a team. You're the only player, hence you're the only keyer. Solo meds are a decent way to practice keying and gating skills. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirIzenhime Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hey Bassy, just wanted to offer a little critique. ;) In your rings section, remove any mention of tactician and tank. Keyers should be on offensive rings and should only use gatherer (which is better than tank for keying, by the way) if they don't have a csb/hex. So in conclusion, your rings should look like this: 1. Primary: -Berserker.2. Secondary: - Blazer is better than blitzer from t1 to t9, but blitzer is better raw DPS at t10. However, blazer is better for kiting. Thus, use blitzer, but switch to blazer for dreadnaught. - Hex users should use sniper. Desperado's effect does not stack with the hex effect on mobs. Furthermore, ammo conservation is an issue for hex users, so the slower fire rate of sniper helps a little. Sniper is also better, tactically, for sniping (no pun I swear) mages in GDs and bad puzzle rooms.To add to the blazer vs blitzer debate: I've seen blazer "speccing" when the normal hit splashed: so it seems that blazer can spec independedly from magic accuracy (where blitzer is affected by accuracy) Of course Blazer is still speccing, it's an over time effect.At T10 blazer, every other hit will deal 50% more damage, over time though. So if you hit a 200, and blazer kicks in, it'll hit 5 individual 20's after that, regardless of future hits. Blazer specs can also stack, as in, you can get it to spec on the 200, and then it also specs on your next hit, which is say, 150. You will see both 20's, and 15's going off together.Blitzer suffers if you are not in optimal maging situations, the only situation like that though is NecroLord, because all other situations, if you're still maging....something is wrong with you. As far as bosses go, Blazer is better for NecroLord, Blitzer is better for HopeI'd rate them even on Dread. I don't find myself running around as much as most people on dread, even when I do run, i still try to maintain my Blitzer speed, because I know he'll soon switch anyways, so you really don't need to run that far. But I know not everyone can judge when to click, to even have Blitzer going at it's optimal speed. Fisher/Woodcut------Me-----Miner/crafter----Stabber----Leecher ^Golvellius must be so proud^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo_Monkey Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I loved the guide, any sugestions on soloing?Do exactly what you do in a team. You're the only player, hence you're the only keyer. Solo meds are a decent way to practice keying and gating skills. Thanks helped a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamra Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 You should note... Denk - Dead End With KeyDewk - Dead End With KeyHT - Home Teleport These are all terms that you don't have down and are used in every dungeon, and I know I didn't know what denk meant when I first heard it. Done. Oh the irony of attempting to explain complex subjects only to forget the simple ones. :grin: Yeah :P but i made a typo, Denk is Dead End NO Key, which you caught but I wanted to point out my own error :P Scream's Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassy Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Completely forgot about my notes tab, put that in there just before the complexity 1. It's saved me loads of time before I had the potion ingredients and levels memorized. Tank Ring section gone. New note for plate-wearers in the Monolith section Changed the Ramokee section to better address current trends. Happy 7k views. :thumbsup: Click Here for a Common Sense Dungeoneering Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostar Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I always link this guide to newb dungeoneer friends.It really helps them out, very nice guide ! :) Dagannoth Rex Drops : Zerker ring x2 / Dragon hatchet x2 / Warrior ring x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassy Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 I always link this guide to newb dungeoneer friends.It really helps them out, very nice guide ! :) The more that know, the less that don't! :thumbsup: Click Here for a Common Sense Dungeoneering Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fittyfive Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Great guide. :) Was nice to read, helped me out a bit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMC Mate Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Very nice guide. I also lol'd a couple of times while reading. :PI have been practicing keying alot lately and I haven't gotten much better at it. They always seem to last 22-25 mins (practicing on meds). Any ideas? Really? Cause as I recall it was you who was the one cussing me at base. Also, re-read what you just said: one 15 second delay (which is an exaggeration to begin with) ruins floor times? You are beyond ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandorf61 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Congratulations! After consideration by the PMG moderating team, your guide has been deemed worthy of AOW status! :thumbsup: Personally I've really enjoyed reading your guide, lots of great pointers and tips in there! Pyramid Plunder Guide Tip.it Forum Rules Adventurer's LogThanks to Cowboy14 for the awesome sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassy Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 Congratulations! After consideration by the PMG moderating team, your guide has been deemed worthy of AOW status! :thumbsup: Personally I've really enjoyed reading your guide, lots of great pointers and tips in there! Thanks so much! :thumbsup: Click Here for a Common Sense Dungeoneering Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar200 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Congrats on AOW upgrade. Your guide was really great when I started keying floors 30+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeEliteOne Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Great guide, I found it funny to read even though I already knew about 90% of the stuff in it already :P (taught myself)Personally for starting an argument I also like to use the phrase "Dewnk" - Dead end with no key, confuses the keyer usually since a lot of them are just used to Denk or Dewk :) Inefficiency = fun. That's objective and can't be debated. Ever. Blog to 200m in all skills.Max cape achieved November 5th, 2011.Completionist cape achieved December 29th, 2011.Final Boss title achieved December 28th, 2014.Trimmed completionist cape achieved November 7th, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Very good guide for the average dungoneer as well as the aspiring keyer. Well done! :) RunetrackerRunetrack Liberated Skillers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srce Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Great guide, opened my eyes a bit more to keying. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyzz Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Wow, amazing guide you have there mate, entertaining whilst educational towards runescape... good work :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeternitatis Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Thanks for this. It helped me establish general guidelines when I began DGing. Props to you for the work put into it. :thumbup: "Only by going too far can one find out how far one can go." T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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