Dungeonsweepers (DGS) - Huge changes; read first post.

[homer205]

If I want to be in DGS and key (not as a rank, just as a regular person), how fast do members expect their keyers to be? I can do 40 minutes occults in w148 with randoms, which probably translates to 35 minutes or so with people that know what they are doing (w148ers, for instance, seem to rarely have surgebox bound, and not know how to prioritize GDs, etc). My fastest is a 31 min abandoned (no dead doors, though a key was missed but I luckily guessed correctly where it was). It's pretty intimidating seeing all the less than 25 minute and sometimes less than 20 minute screenshots posted in this thread, and I don't want to key a floor and then have people mad at me for being too slow. If it matters, I'm 91 dung at the moment.

 

Also, how does one go about actually joining a clan? I never really understood the whole clan camp thing, but I've done a few dungs with you guys as a guest in the chat and really enjoyed it.

The 25 minute floors are only expected of ranks, plus they usually have good teams, taking only one or two newbs at a time. As for as people who don't key (regardless of rank) they don't generally complain, and if they do; you can choose not to take them again. My times aren't that great but rarely do people complain to me (40 min average)

[Aiel]

yeah, the only time ive had anyone complain is when I keyed a 55 minute floor my second time keying.

[notasoupbowl]

I complain to my team when my floors are over 25 mins :P

[green9090]

If I want to be in DGS and key (not as a rank, just as a regular person), how fast do members expect their keyers to be? I can do 40 minutes occults in w148 with randoms, which probably translates to 35 minutes or so with people that know what they are doing (w148ers, for instance, seem to rarely have surgebox bound, and not know how to prioritize GDs, etc). My fastest is a 31 min abandoned (no dead doors, though a key was missed but I luckily guessed correctly where it was). It's pretty intimidating seeing all the less than 25 minute and sometimes less than 20 minute screenshots posted in this thread, and I don't want to key a floor and then have people mad at me for being too slow. If it matters, I'm 91 dung at the moment.

 

Also, how does one go about actually joining a clan? I never really understood the whole clan camp thing, but I've done a few dungs with you guys as a guest in the chat and really enjoyed it.

Let people know you're a new keyer beforehand. I did a 55 minute with a certain clan member who tried to learn keying, and it didn't matter because I knew he was new. It's good to see new people step up and start learning to key, regardless of how much they suck at first. You'll get better quickly anyway.

[I_am_Not]

It's [bleep]ing stupid to sacrifice efficiency to get a title. Such as, the idiots why waste time trying to get I CAN HAS HEIM CRAB.

getting i can has heim crab shouldnt waste any time at all

when i did it i didn't skip anything but half of the boss due to greens permission

i also cooked heim crabs for myself in downtime and it was still a ~30 min fl so i don't see how i'm an idiot, it was rather fun

[Dragonlordjl]

It's [bleep]ing stupid to sacrifice efficiency to get a title. Such as, the idiots why waste time trying to get I CAN HAS HEIM CRAB.

getting i can has heim crab shouldnt waste any time at all

when i did it i didn't skip anything but half of the boss due to greens permission

i also cooked heim crabs for myself in downtime and it was still a ~30 min fl so i don't see how i'm an idiot, it was rather fun

Because people doing it tend to be shy with GDs and difficult rooms, letting other members tank the monsters instead of attacking stuff as quickly as possible (which is what everyone SHOULD do-- waiting for someone else to attack something before you do it really detracts from overall DPS). It's the same reason keyers rage at people who refuse to enter GDs because they are out of prayer, only it lasts the whole dungeon.

[green9090]

It's [bleep]ing stupid to sacrifice efficiency to get a title. Such as, the idiots why waste time trying to get I CAN HAS HEIM CRAB.

getting i can has heim crab shouldnt waste any time at all

when i did it i didn't skip anything but half of the boss due to greens permission

i also cooked heim crabs for myself in downtime and it was still a ~30 min fl so i don't see how i'm an idiot, it was rather fun

Because people doing it tend to be shy with GDs and difficult rooms, letting other members tank the monsters instead of attacking stuff as quickly as possible (which is what everyone SHOULD do-- waiting for someone else to attack something before you do it really detracts from overall DPS). It's the same reason keyers rage at people who refuse to enter GDs because they are out of prayer, only it lasts the whole dungeon.

I agree that trying to get I can has heim crab when your team isn't in on it is not the best idea, but we kind of asked for it in Bro Pal's case. He brb'd at the start of a floor, so we left him no food except a pile of heim crabs dropped around his character :P. He was also surprisingly good at not wasting time doing it.

[Obtaurian]

Congratulations to Weirdoweirdo, our newest keyer. =D>

 

WE'RE FINALLY GETTING AROUND TO REVIEWING PEOPLE!

 

Two down, two to go.

[Dragonlordjl]

I need to get back into DGing, I just haven't had the time.

 

[bleep]ing RL, how does it work? :(

[Tim]

Didn't DGS used to be about helping tif'ers level up Dungeoneering regardless of their combat level (with some DG exp)? Just seems to me its become Elitist's only and belongs in a clan section now from my view :|

[Obtaurian]

Didn't DGS used to be about helping tif'ers level up Dungeoneering regardless of their combat level (with some DG exp)? Just seems to me its become Elitist's only and belongs in a clan section now from my view :|

 

Combat level? What? We've never had a rule pertaining to combat levels, and I've chewed more than one person out for saying things like "47+3 130+ only" in the clan chat. I think you're either misinformed or trolling.

 

And where did the "elitists only" comment come from?

 

I'm really at a loss here. You'll have to elaborate.

[Tim]

mostly mis-informed.

[Obtaurian]

mostly mis-informed.

 

I really don't know what to say to this other than :rolleyes: .

[homer205]

As I understand it, DGS is about teaching tifers to become better at dungoneering. As such, the best methods are expected to be attempted, you don't have to get them right to start, but be working towards it.

[Saladin643]

Is there anyway I can practice keying without putting 4 other people through a 2 hour floor?

[Aiel]

Is there anyway I can practice keying without putting 4 other people through a 2 hour floor?

Get a good wingman.

[xpx]

Is there anyway I can practice keying without putting 4 other people through a 2 hour floor?

Be a good wingman.

Fixed that for you. Seriously, for really fast floors and sub 20 min average(which is possible) you basically need 2-4 keyers on the floor who all know what they are doing. Below 30 is down to the keyer, below ~25 is down to the team.

[green9090]

Didn't DGS used to be about helping tif'ers level up Dungeoneering regardless of their combat level (with some DG exp)? Just seems to me its become Elitist's only and belongs in a clan section now from my view :|

 

 

mostly mis-informed.

Wow. DERP MY FREND SED DGS WUZ BEING ELITIST IM GONA FLAM THERE THRED NOW

[Zaaps1]

It's going to vary from keyer to keyer, of course, but as a general blanket statement, DGS doesn't particularly care about combat levels as long as you make it work.

 

For example, if you're only 70s in melees, you're going to have a tough time in the dungeons. But I would quite honestly still take you on the team. However, that comes with a condition: you'd have to be just as active as if you were maxed. It's fine if you're a lower combat level, but if you start sitting out of GDs because you don't want to die, THEN it becomes a problem.

[Obtaurian]

It's going to vary from keyer to keyer, of course, but as a general blanket statement, DGS doesn't particularly care about combat levels as long as you make it work.

 

For example, if you're only 70s in melees, you're going to have a tough time in the dungeons. But I would quite honestly still take you on the team. However, that comes with a condition: you'd have to be just as active as if you were maxed. It's fine if you're a lower combat level, but if you start sitting out of GDs because you don't want to die, THEN it becomes a problem.

 

I'm reminded of Valience Ket. :thumbup: The level 97 who thinks he's a 138. I love that guy. Seriously, I wish he still dg'd 'cause he gives most 120+ a run for their money/tokens.

[MrGreens]

what happened to him?

[flintjoris]

Is there anything in particular that anyone would like to see in a 3rd bind guide? The guide will focus on general use, room-clearing strategy, tips & tricks, etc.

 

maby you can explain how to use primbaxe so is equal to prom 2h ore even better if you wear prim gaunts at 100 dung till you get something else

[Matt_Marche]

mostly mis-informed.

 

Although we primarily exist to teach people in the cc, there's a few things that have to be considered;

 

1. Some of us need to do our high warped floors, these require 110+ dungeoneering.

 

2. Helping low levels reach chaotics/frost dragons is against our mission statement.

 

3. After teaching new people how to dungeoneer for multiple floors, it can get very frusturating when people don't want to listen to us. I can usually only handle one abandoned floor with people ignoring me before I need to do a few warped floors with people I know.

[Andy]

Congratulations to Weirdoweirdo, our newest keyer. =D>

 

WE'RE FINALLY GETTING AROUND TO REVIEWING PEOPLE!

 

Two down, two to go.

Congrats! Good to see an influx of new keyers into dgs.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Attention Ranked Keyers.

 

I'm going to highly recommend that you all start logging all your floors. (all of them, not just the good ones)

It'll be useful to have some objective idea of how our Keyers are doing, especially if we intend to grow bigger in the future.

Even if you don't care about that, the google doc spreadsheet you'll be using to input your times will have a nifty data filter :D

So please, ranked keyers, start a spreadsheet with the instructions below.

And post here with your Spreadsheet Key.

 

You can find the spreadsheet key between the "=" and "&" sign in your link <3.

if you are too lazy to send me your spreadsheet key, just send me the entire link to your spreadsheet!.

And make sure you make the spreadsheets are public by clicking the share button at the top right.

Share -> Change -> Public on Web

 

Here's a picture to help you out:

 

Grimy's DG Times

Open the link.

File -> Make a Copy. (you will need a gmail account for this)

Then edit your downloaded file from there.

Don't forget to delete my entries. This spreadsheet is for your own key times and only your own.

There are two bright green boxes!

 

The second one, put your name in there.

The first one, you can put in the name of another player, or of a boss.

And the spreadsheet will output your average floor time, and # of floors with said person/boss.

 

Screenshots are important!

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU SCREENSHOT YOUR FLOORS FOR TWO REASONS:

1- It's easier to screenshot first, then input the data into the spreadsheet later if you're doing a row.

2- Proof, should we ever come asking for it.

 

I recommend using some sort of software to speed up the screenshot taking process though, so you can quick end faster.

Some people use: Gadwin Printscreen

Mu has a Python module that can save images directly from printscreen/clipboard.

I personally prefer using AHK code. The script i used is listed below:

(do note TIF censored the code, replace "[Caution: Executable File]" with .3x3. only with e's)

[spoiler=The following is some AHK code I use to speed up the screenshot taking process]

Numlock::
{
SendInput {PrintScreen}
Run, mspaint[Caution: Executable File], %windir%\system32\,Max
sleep 200
WinSet, Top, , Untitled
Send ^v
sleep 200
Send ^s
}
return

 

 

Nomenclature

This spreadsheet requires exact spellings for the average floor time with X script to work.

So the nomenclature for bosses is as follows:

Warped: Blink Dread Gulega Kalger Gorger Hope

Occult: Necro Trio Rune Flesh Thunder Grave

Abans: Geo Ballak Forger Horde Bulwark Curse