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A Possible Actually Useful Use for Vengeance Group!

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Although logical, this is all hypothetical. I don't have the spell. As far as I know, no one on these forums does either.

 

Assumptions I am making!:

-It is a "group" spell, so it affects a 3x3 radius from the caster. (Tested with my available "group" spells. Potion Share has a 5x5 range, like Wrath, but does not have "group" in its name.)

-It is similar to Vengeance Other, so it does not count as being cast by the receiving player.

--The receiving player can immediately afterwards cast a Vengeance spell themselves.

-It is a Vengeance spell, so it has a 30 second cooldown time.

--That it only activates if damage is actually received, like normal Vengeance, unlike the other new combat spell, Disruption Shield.

-That it is like other "group" spells and grants Vengeance rather than harming those surrounding. (I think this is a given, simply put for comprehension!)

 

A J-Mod has confirmed that it affects up to 50 targets at once.

This means that if X number of players are within one square of the caster, 1 cast counts as X number of Vengeances (+1).

We now assume that the players:

-Have Vengeance Group unlocked.

-Have accept aid on.

-Are close together (above!).

-Are all hit at ONCE. This is the only thing that I'm not extremely sure about. I haven't Nex'd, but from videos and etc, it seems her normal attacks are directed at everyone, as an example. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Depending on the attack speed and targeting ability of the afflicting monster and the number of players matching the above criteria, Vengeance Group could result in Vengeance damage every turn, or unlimited Vengeance.

^ "Mission statement" lol...

I hope that someone who knows Nex's attack speed in seconds posts...

 

In a practical sense however, Nex may hit far too hard with her normal everyone-targeting Magic attack for this to be viable there, as well as some of her stages making it ill-advised to stay close together or in one place.

Examining other bosses, I feel that this method would be most useful at Armadyl God Wars Dungeon (maybe suffering from the same problem as above...), or perhaps any of the other 3. Minions might die before the boss itself does, although they could just be damaged and make "clean-up" after the boss easier.

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nex is immune to veng

Other bosses are already limited moreso by their respawn rate, than by your ability to kill them.

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A dude had group veng by the avatar in SW, he hitted probably about 265 on many many opponents, it was crazy powerful!

 

For those who doesn't know, when you use the group vengeance spell, you are only given the blessing of vengeance, noone else around you. But at the next successful hit you recieve, 75% of the damage will rebound to up to 50 persons in a 9x9 square around you.

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Yeah, it DAMAGES up to 50 people, it doesn't cast it on 50 people. So...if you're getting piled you can cast it and deal a good portion of damage to everyone around you. You're probably going to die in that situation, so it's like an extra redemption.

So i was correct about this being vengeance group not group vengeance. Glad to hear, it's useless(for me anyway, and most of what people deal with every day).

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As said it has its niche in clan battles and safe pvp, its godlike in soulwars!

My lame drops:
6 Effigys
1 D Med - 1 D Dagger
1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody

It's ridiculously powerful for multi pvp but that's just about it

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Worth getting since you want disruption shield anyway.

My lame drops:
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1 D Med - 1 D Dagger
1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody

Worth getting since you want disruption shield anyway.

Correct be if i'm wrong but disruption shield basically doesn't at all work against claws(it would negate the first hit, but you can still do the same amount of damage if you hit on the 2nd or 3rd hit) so it's only KS and AGS which are really affected by this, and not everyone needs protection from those. It's useless against bosses. It would have been useful for dungeoneering(tanking high damaging special attacks) but unfortunately, it can't be used there.

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Claws is nullified by disruption shield.

 

It's a good spell for pking.

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Worth getting since you want disruption shield anyway.

Correct be if i'm wrong but disruption shield basically doesn't at all work against claws(it would negate the first hit, but you can still do the same amount of damage if you hit on the 2nd or 3rd hit) so it's only KS and AGS which are really affected by this, and not everyone needs protection from those. It's useless against bosses. It would have been useful for dungeoneering(tanking high damaging special attacks) but unfortunately, it can't be used there.

well veng counts the claw spec as one hit, so its possible disruption shield negates the whole spec.

The spec is one hit, but it is a special one..

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#-o There goes that...

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Being able to damage up to 50 targets = use boost pot share on dagganoth, get hit, veng, 2 minute dagganoth tasks?

 

Though if it works in single combat, you could actually try that on Kuradal's steel dragons, letting your antifire run out?

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A dude had group veng by the avatar in SW, he hitted probably about 265 on many many opponents, it was crazy powerful!

 

For those who doesn't know, when you use the group vengeance spell, you are only given the blessing of vengeance, noone else around you. But at the next successful hit you recieve, 75% of the damage will rebound to up to 50 persons in a 9x9 square around you.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKRcWEgn_A

 

wat

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A dude had group veng by the avatar in SW, he hitted probably about 265 on many many opponents, it was crazy powerful!

 

For those who doesn't know, when you use the group vengeance spell, you are only given the blessing of vengeance, noone else around you. But at the next successful hit you recieve, 75% of the damage will rebound to up to 50 persons in a 9x9 square around you.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKRcWEgn_A

 

wat

 

 

Ok, thanks to that video I'm now confused. People are saying that group vengance hits up to 50 people around you when you get hit, but in that video, he casts it and it looks like all the people standing around him get vengance applied to them.... So does it apply vengance to all around you, or does it hurt everyone around you when you get hit? So confused.

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And yeah, can we get facts straight? Does vengeance group work both ways or something?

lDoes vengeance group work both ways or something?

 

tbh i hope this, i like both ways so much lol

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If it does work like I originally assumed, I guess this isn't a totally lost cause. Well, except that Vengeance doesn't affect Nex anyway, which is probably the only situation people would be serious enough to get it for...

Then again, it might. There have been a ton of little loopholes like that (IE newer cannons working in non-multi)...

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From what I gather - Vengeance Group = Vengeance other on a group of players within a 3*3 radius with 'Accept Aid' turned on. Useful for Corporeal Beast

I guess this will be good for bork's ork legions, or soulwars. :/

 

I'm actually glad you can't give multiple people vengeance, I'd hate to be playing soulwars and be rushed by a grave rush team of vengeance boosted players. X_X

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tbh i hope this, i like both ways so much lol

 

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I guess this will be good for bork's ork legions, or soulwars. :/

 

I'm actually glad you can't give multiple people vengeance, I'd hate to be playing soulwars and be rushed by a grave rush team of vengeance boosted players. X_X

Actually, I think we just confirmed that it's the latter - giving a group Vengeance...

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I guess this will be good for bork's ork legions, or soulwars. :/

 

I'm actually glad you can't give multiple people vengeance, I'd hate to be playing soulwars and be rushed by a grave rush team of vengeance boosted players. X_X

Actually, I think we just confirmed that it's the latter - giving a group Vengeance...

"Vengeance Group is a Lunar spell released with Livid Farms on 4 April, 2011. It casts Vengeance Other on up to 30 players within a 3x3 square around the caster. When activated, all players around the caster receive the effect of vengeance. It has a cooldown of 30 seconds."

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Group_Vengeance

 

Yep, you're right.

 

Boosted grave rush anyone?

 

EDIT: From rswiki

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I guess this will be good for bork's ork legions, or soulwars. :/

 

I'm actually glad you can't give multiple people vengeance, I'd hate to be playing soulwars and be rushed by a grave rush team of vengeance boosted players. X_X

Actually, I think we just confirmed that it's the latter - giving a group Vengeance...

"Vengeance Group is a Lunar spell released with Livid Farms on 4 April, 2011. It casts Vengeance Other on up to 30 players within a 3x3 square around the caster. When activated, all players around the caster receive the effect of vengeance. It has a cooldown of 30 seconds."

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Group_Vengeance

 

Yep, you're right.

 

Boosted grave rush anyone?

 

EDIT: From rswiki

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More like instant KO of anyone barraging/camping a grave.

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