Thus Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 ^ See my reply further up.Please repost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 My questions are: How the hell did the Ritual Statue get moved, and how did it get moved back? Who says it got moved back?Bilrach does say the one he has is the original. Implication being there is a copy or secondary stone, simply because you don't generally say something is the original x unless there is a non-original x. AN original certainly (eg an original picasso) but not THE original. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 My questions are: How the hell did the Ritual Statue get moved, and how did it get moved back? Who says it got moved back?Bilrach does say the one he has is the original. Implication being there is a copy or secondary stone, simply because you don't generally say something is the original x unless there is a non-original x. AN original certainly (eg an original picasso) but not THE original.So that would imply the stone in the north is a fake, and it's not even needed for the ritual. Then what is the purpose of the stone in the first place? Aesthetics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 My questions are: How the hell did the Ritual Statue get moved, and how did it get moved back? Who says it got moved back?Bilrach does say the one he has is the original. Implication being there is a copy or secondary stone, simply because you don't generally say something is the original x unless there is a non-original x. AN original certainly (eg an original picasso) but not THE original.So that would imply the stone in the north is a fake, and it's not even needed for the ritual. Then what is the purpose of the stone in the first place? Aesthetics? Who says a copy can't have the same/similar magical properties as the original?Bilrach could've recreated it even in that respect. Then factor in the alignment of the stars and the site itself are important to the ritual and a copy could easily slide by; where as recreating its effect elsewhere would need the original power of the stone. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylpheed Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 My questions are: How the hell did the Ritual Statue get moved, and how did it get moved back? Who says it got moved back?Bilrach does say the one he has is the original. Implication being there is a copy or secondary stone, simply because you don't generally say something is the original x unless there is a non-original x. AN original certainly (eg an original picasso) but not THE original.So that would imply the stone in the north is a fake, and it's not even needed for the ritual. Then what is the purpose of the stone in the first place? Aesthetics? Who says a copy can't have the same/similar magical properties as the original?Bilrach could've recreated it even in that respect. Then factor in the alignment of the stars and the site itself are important to the ritual and a copy could easily slide by; where as recreating its effect elsewhere would need the original power of the stone. There's only one problem with that though. If the copy/fake/other Ritual Stone that is now at the ritual site holds the same magical properties as the original one that Bilrach now has, why would he go through all that trouble to move it piece by piece instead of just using the copy? Also, the marks in the snow were obviously not somebody trying to move the Ritual stone but dragging the copy into the place where the original stood. EDIT: Didn't read your post properly there, but still, if the two Ritual stones are different, what is it that the original has that the one used in RotM doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazhor Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Maybe it doesn't have to be in the spot where the other one is in ROTM? Maybe it just means the ritual can be taken place near it no matter where it is? Not too sure Visit my blog! Click the madness for more madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squakus Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Did the mahjarrat have rituals before they left Freneskae? If they did then maybe the ritual stone Bilrach has is the one from Freneskae, and has the energy of more sacrificed mahjarrat stored in it. As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapabale of solving approaches zero. Ensure you are not a social situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 That is an issue, the same yet different one, but it is one that is realistic.Science can make substitutes for many things that are identical in pretty much every way possible for functionality; yet a few specific tasks cannot be done with them.Eg In cookery often things like soy milk or lactose free butter won't work the same way in specific recipes.Or another example would be certain historical clockwork/mechanical devices (can't think of an example off the top of my head) science can re-create exact working replicas of them yet the replicas for whatever reason can't reproduce a certain action of the original.Also often crops in magic/mystic/myth in literature the forgery retains all the same functionality yet in one crucial way that often leads to the dramatic twist. I should think any difference will be to do with origination. The original stone presumably comes from Frenskae and has some form of magic or organic property associated with that world and it's god(s) that runescape world lacks, while the copy would be purely made from runescape materials and powers. Random side thought from this tangent: Daemonheim portals clearly lead to different planes/worlds, the journals etc make it clear that is where behemoths, the demons and the seekers in-particular came from. What if Bilrach stole the stone in order to move on to a new world once more or return to Frenskae via these portals? Based upon the crash of Mahjaratt influence in runescape and the seeming inevitability that Zemergoul and/or Lucien are going to be the final survivors. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUMINATOR17 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Just wondering, is it possible to 99% complete any of these sagas and basically come back at a later date and talk to / turn in w/e item / kill the boss and claim the exp then? Likely not, since they are all DG / dungeon related, but doesn't hurt to check. CLICK - 770th to 99 SLAYER 2/4/08 - 204th to 99 Summoning 7/1/08 CLICK[Hide=List of Drops That I haven't updated in Years but want to keep in my Sig anyways...]VISAGE DROP - 12/06/073 Duo Sara Hilts, 3 Duo Arma Hilts, 2 Trio Arma Hilts.Dark Bows: (11) Dragon Boots: (50!)Whip Drops: (42!!!) Dragon Drops: (90+!!!!!) 2 D CHAINS!, 3 D Axe, 8 D meds, 7 left halfs, 7 D legs, 6 skirts, 8 Spears[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 You can just quit at the last checkpoint and come back later. But why not just finish? My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paul Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 You can just quit at the last checkpoint and come back later. But why not just finish? Maybe there is a bug/glitch that can be exploited. :D Working on max and completionist capes. 2435/2475 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 It's impossible to come back in via checkpoints and get 100%.Checkpoint resets, as in the original sagas, only store the primary objective progress. Actions taken for the secondary objectives are entirely lost meaning you will end up with 70-90% at best (since each secondary objective is 10% and at the last checkpoint odds are you are past at least 1 of them, if not all 3) Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 My questions are: How the hell did the Ritual Statue get moved, and how did it get moved back? Apparently it got moved, piece by piece, from the original site. Kind of farfetched if you ask me lol.The smashed wooden stuff at the end is the cart that delivered the final piece. I thought it could never be moved. Guess that doesn't mean its indestructible. But still how the heck did it get moved back? Bilrach said his ritual stone in Daemonheim was the "original". So this leads us to believe the stone in the wilderness where the most recent ritual was held was some sort of duplicate. I'm not sure what exactly this entails, but maybe that's why Bilrach was able to skip so many rituals without becoming decrepit. Perhaps he can use the stone in Daemonheim as a link to the other stone, and sap some of the ritual power without actually attending. I'm also pretty sure Bilrach is still alive. As said before, the strange power very well may have been from Moia. Either she was killed, or Bilrach did something much worse. It's impossible to come back in via checkpoints and get 100%.Checkpoint resets, as in the original sagas, only store the primary objective progress. Actions taken for the secondary objectives are entirely lost meaning you will end up with 70-90% at best (since each secondary objective is 10% and at the last checkpoint odds are you are past at least 1 of them, if not all 3) Actually, during Nadir, I quit at one point and came back via checkpoint, and still got 100% at the end. I [bleep]ed up and used a portal too soon, and I ended up running out of power in the upcoming fight. I just went back to the lobby, logged back in, and resumed from the checkpoint and continued on to get 100%. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 you can bank the xp tomes. Not sure why you'd not want to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 It's impossible to come back in via checkpoints and get 100%.Checkpoint resets, as in the original sagas, only store the primary objective progress. Actions taken for the secondary objectives are entirely lost meaning you will end up with 70-90% at best (since each secondary objective is 10% and at the last checkpoint odds are you are past at least 1 of them, if not all 3) Not true, at least not for Nadir. I got sniped by one of those mages for 110+ in the Warped Floors as I was running for my life, lol. But I restarted from the Warped checkpoint and I still got unabridged completion at the end. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Too bad the first checkpoint isn't until *after* that first memory game. Took forever to nail down precisely where to click for memories :( Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUMINATOR17 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Thanks everyone replies. Especially Cow, since that is what I am mainly looking for. Got GF'd by the Effigy nerf, so I am looking for alternate ways to have a nice 10-15m+ exp day when I finally use my effigies, and my last few quests left to do seems like a good idea. CLICK - 770th to 99 SLAYER 2/4/08 - 204th to 99 Summoning 7/1/08 CLICK[Hide=List of Drops That I haven't updated in Years but want to keep in my Sig anyways...]VISAGE DROP - 12/06/073 Duo Sara Hilts, 3 Duo Arma Hilts, 2 Trio Arma Hilts.Dark Bows: (11) Dragon Boots: (50!)Whip Drops: (42!!!) Dragon Drops: (90+!!!!!) 2 D CHAINS!, 3 D Axe, 8 D meds, 7 left halfs, 7 D legs, 6 skirts, 8 Spears[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contractor Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Getting 100% on Nadir sucks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Getting 100% on Nadir sucks lol Oh God, I know right? So many places to screw up and no way to try again without starting over at hte last check point. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I found nadir kind of straight forward after a guide briefing, but yeah lots of room for error. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I found the only hard part of Nadir was the portals, but if you wait until your special is 20% to recharge you should have like 1 complete portal left over before the last door. The earlier stuff is just exploring well and answering the questions right, which isn't too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Nadir is hard only towards the beginnings of the segments, when you are first introduced to the memory game and when you are first introduced to portal energy. After a trail of two though you get the hang of it and can manage yourself nicely. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sohkmj1 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Managed to clear Nadir unabridged with 2% portal. Annoying as hell combat mechanics, but at least I got some interesting backstory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Nadir combat mechanics are rather confusing because In terms of strength it goesFire>Water>EarthConfusing in itself since the screen gives no clue to strength differences and based on normal magic you'd assume water>earth>fire In terms of speed is the same again.Fire hits low but fast.Water is balanced.Earth is slow but hard. Also it seems the higher spells drain portal power faster. Personally I found the easiest way to get through it all without dying with to use water using walls/obstacles etc as much as possible to block/que warriors. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 To be fair, hovering over the combat styles does give you an explanation of each relative to the others. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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