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The problem imo is too many abilities. If I wanted to execute a perfect rotation for max dps I would go back to playing my death knight in WoW.

 

Melee should be unlock 1 ability at levels 10 20 and 30 (3 abilities total) for attack. Levels 40 50 60 / 70 80 90 should upgrade those three abilities respectively. 99 would get you your 4th and last ability.

 

Strength would modify the % damage done for each ability every level from 1-99

 

Defense should provide 1 defensive cool down ability at 30, upgraded at 60 and 90, and a final cool down at 99. Additionally it should provide a %damage reduction for each level 1-99 maxing at 10%.

 

Every ability would act uniquely based on what you are wielding (2h, dual wield, 1h w/shield).

 

mage and range I haven't played around with yet.

 

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Runescapes beauty has always been in its simplicity. Taking it away from that is just going to lose players to other mmos that do complex better than runescape is even capable of. (Swtor and wow being the most obvious examples)

 

But death knight have a 3 button rotation :P

 

Things must have changed. Back when I played unholy in icc there was 5 abilities in your main rotation ( bound on q, e 1 2 3) and then 4 more situational abilities for AoE and crowd control. And it was more of a priority system at that point.



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Bosses are immune to stun but not to holding spells like Entangle. You can bind them for 40 seconds in place which is awesome.

 

Asphyxiate + metamorphosis is overpowered... hits for more than 2,500 damage every 2 seconds. If you're maging a boss, make you sure you start the off in meta form whilst all your abilities are off cooldown. If a boss is very low on health, don't use any ultimate abilities and keep your adrenaline at full. Use preparation on cooldown so you don't leave combat and thus don't lose any adrenaline.

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Am I just awesome or is range seriously overpowered? I've been raging in the duel arena today and seem to be able to easily kill level 200 mages and without serious difficultly take down level 200 meleers (though harder if they have some reasonable level of button mashing know how). It's not even like I'm very good at the whole abilities shebang I basically just mash a few defensive abilities and a couple of basic abilities then just threshold and ultimate them until dead.


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Am I just awesome or is range seriously overpowered? I've been raging in the duel arena today and seem to be able to easily kill level 200 mages and without serious difficultly take down level 200 meleers (though harder if they have some reasonable level of button mashing know how). It's not even like I'm very good at the whole abilities shebang I basically just mash a few defensive abilities and a couple of basic abilities then just threshold and ultimate them until dead.

 

I've actually found Ranged to be very underwhelming. I've fought a ton of rangers as a mage and I always win from them. I guess it really depends on how good you are with your abilities.

 

Meatmorphosis still only increases your damage by 25%. At least for normal hits. I thought they increased it to 50%.

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Edit II: wow, Torment makes a TINY difference. I hit 342 max without an overload and Torment and 356 with only Torment on? Dat 0,4% difference.

 

Ya, turmoil sucks because of how max hit is calculated now:

 

Level*Prayer + Weapon Damage

 

Your max will only increase by 15% of your strength level, so at 99 strength/magic/ranged, that's a boost of 14.

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So since I can't seem to tell the difference is it better to use storm of armadyl with the staff or fire surge with a virtus wand/book or a shield of some kind. This is without access to chaotic equipment.

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Am I just awesome or is range seriously overpowered? I've been raging in the duel arena today and seem to be able to easily kill level 200 mages and without serious difficultly take down level 200 meleers (though harder if they have some reasonable level of button mashing know how). It's not even like I'm very good at the whole abilities shebang I basically just mash a few defensive abilities and a couple of basic abilities then just threshold and ultimate them until dead.

 

Using melee sword+shield I can deal with rangers rather easily in the Duel Arena. One thing people need to use more is freedom and the melee dash/stun move. Freedom breaks you out of bind, stun and DoT. Great for getting out of a bind and negating nasty the nasty bleed of slaughter. The dash (think it's "barge" or something) ignores any movement impediments and stuns the opponent. Great to deal with bind-shot rangers and getting you in there face ASAP.

 

The combat triangle is very pronounced, but knowing what you're actually doing is a big necessity in PvP combat and can help you fight against the rock-paper-scissors elements.


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The abilities are pretty fun when bossing haven't really tried pvp much because I've never really have fun doing it. I still wish they would make all bosses at least have the option to be instanced for solo bossing. I like it in beta but I just don't see myself ever really doing much combat after beta.

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So does strength do anything besides give you new abilities?


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So does strength do anything besides give you new abilities?

Yes. Each strength level boosts your max hit by 1. Amazing, I know.

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So does strength do anything besides give you new abilities?

Yes. Each strength level boosts your max hit by 1. Amazing, I know.

I know they have their whole "crusade against pures" going on, but that's no excuse for making our skills have almost no impact on combat outside of gear and talents.

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So does strength do anything besides give you new abilities?

Yes. Each strength level boosts your max hit by 1. Amazing, I know.

I know they have their whole "crusade against pures" going on, but that's no excuse for making our skills have almost no impact on combat outside of gear and talents.

Ok now... That comment is completely false and who ever told you that is full of shit. Jagex clearly stated they wanted combat system of the game to require more skill. Being the master of game tick timing when gear switching, eating/brewing, potting up and prayer flashing has always reaked of being a legacy issue for a long time because something so simplistic should not be deamed end-game knowledge. Now this might require some skill that partly lies mostely on you're computers speed and you're familarity with the game ticks I'll give you that. Jagex wants their players to have combat skills based around abilities in combat not some forknowledge of game-tick-ology.

 

Also faking you're real combat level by stunting the growth of one skill and pumping you're efforts into several others is crap. That is another legacy issue because defense should play a much bigger role in combat than what it currently does.




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One thing that annoys me is I can't use the melee abilities if the target is running from me. This is especially frustrating regarding the 2 stuns, kick & backhand.


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Did Castle Wars yesterday for the Beta gear, and it seemed to be an absolute Flustercluck. I enjoy PvM in the beta, but PvP seems to be all about who can click what at the right time.

 

The lag at Castle Wars with several people piling using ultimates didn't help the experience.

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So does strength do anything besides give you new abilities?

Yes. Each strength level boosts your max hit by 1. Amazing, I know.

I know they have their whole "crusade against pures" going on, but that's no excuse for making our skills have almost no impact on combat outside of gear and talents.

Also faking you're real combat level by stunting the growth of one skill and pumping you're efforts into several others is crap. That is another legacy issue because defense should play a much bigger role in combat than what it currently does.

Or they could've just made defence reduce damage passively to an adequate extent with armor reducing it further. Pures will find some other way to manipulate the combat formula, you can't stop that.

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Do you have to take part in next weekends event to get a part of the outfit?


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Do you have to take part in next weekends event to get a part of the outfit?

 

Yes.

It's 4 weekends for all 5 parts.

 

This weekend unlocked 1 part.

Next 3 weekends will unlock 1,1,2 (in some combo)

Presumably the double unlock will be gloves/boots but hard to know since they aren't giving out the items until after all 4.


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RuneShark Live: Beta Bosses

Join the devilishly handsome duo of Simon and James of RuneShark YouTube fame as they stream live a number of boss fights directly from the Combat Beta for this weekend's Beta Event! You will not need to view this or take part in order to be eligible for the Mad Scientist beta outfit but you will get a chance to watch some pros take down the bosses without the stress or the strain!

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RuneShark Live: Beta Bosses

Join the devilishly handsome duo of Simon and James of RuneShark YouTube fame as they stream live a number of boss fights directly from the Combat Beta for this weekend's Beta Event! You will not need to view this or take part in order to be eligible for the Mad Scientist beta outfit but you will get a chance to watch some pros take down the bosses without the stress or the strain!

[qfc]307-308-7-63855423[/qfc]

 

You don't have to do THAT event, but that isn't the 'featured' event for the coming weekend (which is yet to be posted). It is just a Runeshark thing Jagex are plugging that happens to be at the weekend.


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Great I'll be missing next weekends event. :( but ah sure it is only a few items

 


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Great I'll be missing next weekends event. :( but ah sure it is only a few items

 

From what Jagex said, you need to attend all four to get the suit, so if you miss one you miss it all. :?

 

Maybe find someone you trust to log in for you?


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Great I'll be missing next weekends event. :( but ah sure it is only a few items

 

From what Jagex said, you need to attend all four to get the suit, so if you miss one you miss it all. :?

 

Maybe find someone you trust to log in for you?

 

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Yeah I probably would do that same to be honest. I'm not a big fan of the steampunk outfit, but I'm going to get it anyways... I already skipped the cryptic cluefest crap and the eggsterminator.




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Great I'll be missing next weekends event. :( but ah sure it is only a few items

 

From what Jagex said, you need to attend all four to get the suit, so if you miss one you miss it all. :?

 

Maybe find someone you trust to log in for you?

 

I think that is untrue based on the fact they said you unlock a different part each weekend and for doing cwars this weekend you got 'congratulations you have unlocked part of the beta reward outfit in the live game' message in chat box (or roughly that wording) the implication being each weekend has a specific reward and that missing a weekend just misses that part.


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Does anyone know if its still considered to be against RS rules to be logged into the Beta and the live game? Is it even possible?


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Does anyone know if its still considered to be against RS rules to be logged into the Beta and the live game? Is it even possible?

I don't think so as beta has no actual long term stay and is purely for testing of future LIVE content. I think it might not let you because I get the "you've just left this world" message before when leaving one for the other.




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