The Evolution of Combat: BETA discussion

[Leon S]

Magic potions seem to boost damage by 29 per level now. The damage boost isn't capped at level 106 anymore, either.

 

Staves get a 225% damage boost over wands on monsters. 50% on players.

 

Staves now boost your damage with abilities.

 

Divine Storm is the most powerful spell in terms of damage per hit. I've hit 2635 with it, and that was without Torment.

 

Wave spells deal more damage than Surge spells.

 

Barrage spells deal a lot less damage. 1644 max. This is fair, in my opinion, because it's an AoE spell. I don't know about Burst spells.

 

Gale Blitz does the most damage out of the Blitz spells for some reason.

 

Now imagine Divine Storm, under metamorphosis form, using Asphyxiate. Lol. I'll try it out later on, on a boss.

[Sirknudsen]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

I've tried to do it without any armor/weapson/boosts/prayers on the gargoyle task...sounds quite easy until it's attempted all of the npcs have had their attacks and hps as well as max hits scaled up so without any armor and 99 hp not pots/prayer I lasted all of 6 rounds of combat before being Ko'd during that 6 rounds of combat "a round being a punch thrown" all of my hits were 0s/miss

[BerryFear]

i really like how they are changing RS, it's exiting and new. and you can interact with the game more.

 

[Cheat]

Whats this weekends costume event?

[Omali]

Whats this weekends costume event?

 

http://services.runescape.com/m=news/combat-beta-weekends-featured-events--essential-info

 

 

It's a set of steampunk armor that is being handed out in pieces over the course of several beta weekend events. The first event weekend was the 9th and 10th, and the second is 21st.

[Cheat]

Ok cheers.

 

Just spent an hour at waterfiends out of curiosity.

 

Setup: Full Pernix, CCB, EEKS, Kiln Cape, Fury, Berserker (i) using Rune Bolts

99 Range using Anguish and Overloads.

Results: 180k Range Experience and 141 Crimson Charms

 

Barely needed food used 1 rocktail for the whole trip and could of easily gained the health back with soul split or a defensive ability. I was using abilities at a relaxed rate, as in I wasn't spamming basics and then thresholds to quickly reach an ultimate bladebla I was using the occasional basic and threshold allowing my adrenaline bar to generally fill up from auto attacks and then unleashing an ultimate when full.

[muggiwhplar]

Steel dragons give about 1k slayer xp/kill o_O

 

Took me about 25 seconds to kill one with chaotic staff, divine storm, steel titan, ovls, and torment. Asphyxiate was basically an insta-kill whenever I chose to use it.

 

I was in Kuradal's dungeon btw...

 

-Does anybody know if the ferocious ring's damage boost works in beta?

-Is there any way to get cannonballs in beta besides making them yourself?

[Leon S]

Chaotic staff is still useless, though. Polypore staff has the same hit bonus (800) and has 5 Prayer bonus. Also, the chaotic staff degrades.

 

Asphyxiate is capped at 5,000. Most damage I've done with the ability in total has been around 17k haha

[iTz Viruss 3]

I think the beta is awesome. It is like playing a complete new game, some people like that, others don't.

I really hope it becomes the official game.

 

- iTz Viruss 3

 

[Th e Doctor]

Hurray for more user friendly dreadnips! This update seems to be full of win.

[Deaths Near]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

I've tried to do it without any armor/weapson/boosts/prayers on the gargoyle task...sounds quite easy until it's attempted all of the npcs have had their attacks and hps as well as max hits scaled up so without any armor and 99 hp not pots/prayer I lasted all of 6 rounds of combat before being Ko'd during that 6 rounds of combat "a round being a punch thrown" all of my hits were 0s/miss

 

Yeah, I couldn't even survive against Al-kharid warriors (level 26) without armor/food. For all the unarmed testing I've done so far, I've basically had to wear torva and trust that Jagex is telling the truth (a scary thing to do) regarding armor having no offensive bonuses.

[Sir_Squab]

This actually really worries me. Thinking of casually wandering the map and getting attacked by a high level monster that just rapes you because you didn't put armour on because you didn't plan to fight anything. Dungeons are fine, I'm more worried about stuff in/near towns. Muggers probably won't be too bad, but what about those guards from the rescue prince quest that takes place mostly near draynor village? Those things are dangerous to unprepared newbs.

[Alg]

This actually really worries me. Thinking of casually wandering the map and getting attacked by a high level monster that just rapes you because you didn't put armour on because you didn't plan to fight anything. Dungeons are fine, I'm more worried about stuff in/near towns. Muggers probably won't be too bad, but what about those guards from the rescue prince quest that takes place mostly near draynor village? Those things are dangerous to unprepared newbs.

To compensate, many monsters and enemies are no longer aggressive.

[Saradomin_Mage]

This actually really worries me. Thinking of casually wandering the map and getting attacked by a high level monster that just rapes you because you didn't put armour on because you didn't plan to fight anything. Dungeons are fine, I'm more worried about stuff in/near towns. Muggers probably won't be too bad, but what about those guards from the rescue prince quest that takes place mostly near draynor village? Those things are dangerous to unprepared newbs.

To compensate, many monsters and enemies are no longer aggressive.

Lol have fun finding penguins in Karamja Jungle :P

[Sy_Accursed]

This actually really worries me. Thinking of casually wandering the map and getting attacked by a high level monster that just rapes you because you didn't put armour on because you didn't plan to fight anything. Dungeons are fine, I'm more worried about stuff in/near towns. Muggers probably won't be too bad, but what about those guards from the rescue prince quest that takes place mostly near draynor village? Those things are dangerous to unprepared newbs.

To compensate, many monsters and enemies are no longer aggressive.

Lol have fun finding penguins in Karamja Jungle :P

 

Where is confirmation monsters won;t be aggressive?

Jmods have said monsters have been less aggressive for the purposes of beta testing, they haven't said it is a permanent thing (to my knowledge)

 

Interesting point about penguins, I wonder if they will be slightly tweaked on where they can go and/or made more rewarding.

[muggiwhplar]

Looks like your slayer XP gets nerfed sporadically if you're using a cannon. Is this a glitch?

[Sy_Accursed]

Looks like your slayer XP gets nerfed sporadically if you're using a cannon. Is this a glitch?

 

Don't think so, think it's more of a case of you do not get slayer xp if you do not do the most damage and in new system cannon does not count as you doing damage.

Basically a measure to discourage people powerslaying everything with cannon seeing as it's all multi so that would/could royally screw basically every task spot in-game.

[muggiwhplar]

Actually I had a blue dragon task and went to Taverly for it... pretty sure the "nerfed" XP was just coming from the baby blue dragons that got killed in the crossfire... currently getting 180xp per black demon w/ cannon now

 

Though one demon gave me 90xp when my steel titan killed it

[Omali]

This actually really worries me. Thinking of casually wandering the map and getting attacked by a high level monster that just rapes you because you didn't put armour on because you didn't plan to fight anything. Dungeons are fine, I'm more worried about stuff in/near towns. Muggers probably won't be too bad, but what about those guards from the rescue prince quest that takes place mostly near draynor village? Those things are dangerous to unprepared newbs.

To compensate, many monsters and enemies are no longer aggressive.

Lol have fun finding penguins in Karamja Jungle :P

 

Those jungle spiders when you get off the boat from Ardougne are just annoying as hell. They're level 114 now.

[J35u5_M4]

Is the equip interface still broken? It shows 0 Hit Bonus for the weapons I wear, and the hit bonus goes to damage instead :/ (Also, I don't see the % of damage increased by staves or arcane stream, did they remove that or it's just not shown atm?)

 

EDIT: Also, are they going to remove the 500 cap on sara brews? So it's actually 15% of LP restoration rate

[Saradomin_Mage]

It appears that some non-melee crits don't show up correctly, and yes, hit bonus is broken for me too.

All in all their equipment screen needs tons of fixing :P

[Leon S]

Dungeoneering is very interesting now. It may be best to just stick to one combat class now, since all three styles hit well on all monsters. I just went for a CCS, SSH and celestial robe top. I kind of want to drop my SSH for celestial robe bottoms.

[Sly_Wizard]

So I decided to test out the beta for a bit. I have to say that the shield abilities are just a tad bit overpowered.

 

If anything, Jagex should make certain abilities dependent on the weapon/shield you use instead of simply on raw levels. I.e., instead of simply needing level X for ability Y, you need level X and item A for ability Y. That would allow for more abilities and a greater diversity in items people use.

[Deaths Near]

If anything, Jagex should make certain abilities dependent on the weapon/shield you use instead of simply on raw levels. I.e., instead of simply needing level X for ability Y, you need level X and item A for ability Y. That would allow for more abilities and a greater diversity in items people use.

 

Yeah, and instead of abilities, we could call these special attacks!

[Urza285]

If anything, Jagex should make certain abilities dependent on the weapon/shield you use instead of simply on raw levels. I.e., instead of simply needing level X for ability Y, you need level X and item A for ability Y. That would allow for more abilities and a greater diversity in items people use.

 

Yeah, and instead of abilities, we could call these special attacks!

So I decided to test out the beta for a bit. I have to say that the shield abilities are just a tad bit overpowered.

 

If anything, Jagex should make certain abilities dependent on the weapon/shield you use instead of simply on raw levels. I.e., instead of simply needing level X for ability Y, you need level X and item A for ability Y. That would allow for more abilities and a greater diversity in items people use.

Not diverse enough... That is their legacy issue already with specials being tacked on to certain items. To be honest I think you aren't comfortable with the freedom they're giving you and want to see some constraint. I myself am not a fan of the jump-back abilities being used when not using that combats type, but I think its better overall though because it gives us much more for us to fool around with. Jagex right now is trying to make combat about skill and let others feel out their own efficiency both in terms of combat ability and damage as well as gameplay. They don't want to tie down maneuvering abilities like that to just one style of combat becuase that would be just boring and place too much of a lockdown on the freedom beta is offering. They don't want it to be solely dependent on items and that's what you're suggesting... a middle ground between what combat is now and combat betas intentions. Sure you might be able to unlock flurry at level 60 attack, wield dragon claws and offhand dragon claws at level 60 attack, but flurry's use should not be locked to just claws because it makes sense that two offhand melee weapons should be able to do a "flurry" of damage.