decebal Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Three things come to mind about this: A) Will they be available to free players as well as members? Most likely they are, as they're in the common spot but it never hurts to ask. :wink:2) Will they still be available after this weekend is over? As an uncommon or rare prize, perhaps. I'm wondering if I should try to make a fully charged amulet.andD)... I don't really have a third point, I just wanted to make an obscure Home Alone reference. :PThey're member's only. Like the skill pendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Hmm, taking into account double spins and if you get the max purchase, each spin costs about 20 cents each (5 per dollar). We don't know the chance of getting a pendant piece, but let's say it's 1 in 4 spins. In 1000 spins, that's about 25 pendants or 125 million gp for 200 dollars. If it's a 1 in 10 chance you should average 50 million gp for 200 dollars. On top of this, players are still getting XP lamps and other gp related items. Again, it's all based on what the chance is of getting a pendant piece. From the looks of it, Jagex is toying with making their gp sales on par with black market prices. Much less convenient to cash in mind you, but still there. I'm wondering if this is more a half measure to keep those players that wanted to bot and buy gp, but won't be able to assuming Optimus does all it promises. Most other players just won't care enough to spend $4/million gp (or whatever the average price turns out to be). Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Someone on Reddit posted that out of 500 spins they averaged 1 fragment every 8.8 spins. Going off that ratio: $200 will net you about 1000 spins thanks to the double spin tickets, so the price per spin is about 1$/5 spins (20 cents a spin). With your 10 fragments every 88 spins results, that's 5.12M gp * 1000/88 or 58.2M gp. That's $3.44 per 1M gp compared to the black market price of $0.40 per 1M gp this weekend only. As mentioned, the big thing people get are XP lamps. Roughly 1/3 of the results are XP lamps. So out of 970 spins I got these results.* Common Lamp: 194 (104 any) - 20.0%* Uncomm Lamp: 127 (66 any) - 13.1%* Rare Lamp: 1* V. Rare Lamp: 1 Anyway, this weekend the fragments are on the common slot and will move to uncommon next Monday. As common to uncommon is 2.6 ratio, expect a 1 in 23 chance for fragments or $9.02 per 1M gp on top of XP lamps and miscellaneous items/gp. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strilmus Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The most telling point of this is that there doesn't seem to be any cap on how many fragments one is allowed to exchange for the full 5 millionish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Someone on Reddit posted that out of 500 spins they averaged 1 fragment every 8.8 spins. Going off that ratio: $200 will net you about 1000 spins thanks to the double spin tickets, so the price per spin is about 1$/5 spins (20 cents a spin). With your 10 fragments every 88 spins results, that's 5.12M gp * 1000/88 or 58.2M gp. That's $3.44 per 1M gp compared to the black market price of $0.40 per 1M gp this weekend only. As mentioned, the big thing people get are XP lamps. Roughly 1/3 of the results are XP lamps. So out of 970 spins I got these results.* Common Lamp: 194 (104 any) - 20.0%* Uncomm Lamp: 127 (66 any) - 13.1%* Rare Lamp: 1* V. Rare Lamp: 1 Anyway, this weekend the fragments are on the common slot and will move to uncommon next Monday. As common to uncommon is 2.6 ratio, expect a 1 in 23 chance for fragments or $9.02 per 1M gp on top of XP lamps and miscellaneous items/gp. They had a promotion last week selling spins at $0.10/spin. Still only cuts the price to $1.72/Mil, but that also doesn't factor in xp gained, which depending on the skills usually can have a gp amount assigned as well(Think of it as in-store credit)... If Jagex ever reached prices of $0.70 - $1.00, I think it would greatly impact RWT prices. Someone brought up the point on RSOF that he actually preferred black market RWT to this as "at least gold selling sites don't cause inflation"...Makes you wonder would people be more inclined to an update where you are allowed to sell your GP back to Jagex. Ie, you trade your gold for spins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Someone brought up the point on RSOF that he actually preferred black market RWT to this as "at least gold selling sites don't cause inflation"...Makes you wonder would people be more inclined to an update where you are allowed to sell your GP back to Jagex. Ie, you trade your gold for spins.GP sites cause inflation if the ultimate source of their gp is produced from bots. Shouldn't be too much to create bots that buy from the GE items that alc for a profit on top of any other gp producing work such a WC and Fletching bot group. There's nothing noble or game enhancing about GP sites. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Someone brought up the point on RSOF that he actually preferred black market RWT to this as "at least gold selling sites don't cause inflation"...Makes you wonder would people be more inclined to an update where you are allowed to sell your GP back to Jagex. Ie, you trade your gold for spins.GP sites cause inflation if the ultimate source of their gp is produced from bots. Shouldn't be too much to create bots that buy from the GE items that alc for a profit on top of any other gp producing work such a WC and Fletching bot group. There's nothing noble or game enhancing about GP sites. I never stated they were nobel or game enhancing. And I agree that bots cause inflation (everyone technically causes inflation). With that said, if someone stock-piled a bunch of spins when they were cheap. I bought 250 spins the other week for $20 and didn't spend any of them as I predicted that Jagex would eventually introduce something like, and I further predict that the SoF will become more generous than this. My 250 spins have an EV of 16m gp, and that only accounts for 1/8th of the spins based on the fragments alone. Probably going to also include about 600k in xp, which has a varied amount of gp value depending on the skill, but let's be conservative and say 20gp/xp. All this include, it looks like this is still less then the black market price, however, this is also worth instant xp versus the time spent performing the task, which can have a gp value associated with it as well. With that said, I still think it would be cool if Jagex introduce buyable spins on the SoF using RSGP. 1 spin = 250k5 spins = 1m It may help with the inflation problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 With that said, I still think it would be cool if Jagex introduce buyable spins on the SoF using RSGP. 1 spin = 250k5 spins = 1m It may help with the inflation problem... No offense, but who in their right minds would spend million coins to get prices that aren't even worth close to 100K coins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 No offense, but who in their right minds would spend million coins to get prices that aren't even worth close to 100K coins? Cosmetics. And technically it saves time on almost all skills (at a high cost in gp at those rates) Personally I believe that black market GP sites aren't good for the game, but they cause *less* inflation than the SoF. At least they have to perform game actions. Yes they can perform more game actions than a regular player (due to no sleep etc). They do cause item inflation though, which is also pretty bad. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 With that said, I still think it would be cool if Jagex introduce buyable spins on the SoF using RSGP. 1 spin = 250k5 spins = 1m It may help with the inflation problem... No offense, but who in their right minds would spend million coins to get prices that aren't even worth close to 100K coins? At the bulk price, it's 250k for a spin, not 1m. And it's basically runescape gambling. Obviously the amount is up for debate, but 250k gives rooms for when they offer promotions. No offense, but who in their right minds would spend million coins to get prices that aren't even worth close to 100K coins? Cosmetics. And technically it saves time on almost all skills (at a high cost in gp at those rates) Personally I believe that black market GP sites aren't good for the game, but they cause *less* inflation than the SoF. At least they have to perform game actions. Yes they can perform more game actions than a regular player (due to no sleep etc). They do cause item inflation though, which is also pretty bad. Right. Also the black market GP sites themselves don't cause the inflation; botting is the cause of inflation. A medium to selling RSGP promotes botting, however if Jagex is able to once again solve the botting issue (What did they get to? October to May?) then that would solve the inflation issue in regards to bots. I still think Jagex needs to look at ways of implementing more money sinks into this game. Buying spins for RSGP would solve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Less then that, probably around march or early april that bots really came back.. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So are these shards going to be on the wheel from now on? If so, Queen's Guard / Dragon Cere might become even more rare than it already is. ........::::: Rainy's YouTube Channel - Rainy's Twitter - Rainy's Facebook - Rainy's DeviantArt - Rainy's Tumblr - Rainy's Tip.It Profile :::::......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think just until Monday. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think just until Monday. As a marketing ploy, I would have released it that way in order to get users to purchase spins. It seems that the items will move from common slots to uncommon slots after this weekend, however will still exist on the squeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 All the summer items are being removed after this weekend. So you wont be able to get queens guard, dragon ceremonial etc anymore. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 All the summer items are being removed after this weekend. So you wont be able to get queens guard, dragon ceremonial etc anymore.Facebook says no. Just a quick reminder for all you summer item enthusiasts! The summer seasonal items on the Squeal of Fortune will be removed, as planned, during the last weekend of September. That includes the Dragon Ceremonial set, the Queens Guard set, the Fish Mask and all of the Summer Party items. Don't panic, though! There's still time to bag the items you’re after – especially now members get 4 daily spins as part of Sizzling Summer! If you're worried about missing out, you can always get your extra spins at the link below: -Insert Jagex RWTing link here- Good luck! So they're here until the end of September, not after this weekend.That's why I asked. ........::::: Rainy's YouTube Channel - Rainy's Twitter - Rainy's Facebook - Rainy's DeviantArt - Rainy's Tumblr - Rainy's Tip.It Profile :::::......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Ah ok. sorry for confusion. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylpheed Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just got on and used my free spins. Got two amulet fragments from 4 spins. I was probably just lucky but every spin had at least one fragment on a slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Thanks Jagex :? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Grr. I am still missing the suntan emote.. :( Not to mention getting all the dragon/queen's outfits takes a lot of luck also. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Unless you got the sunbathe emote during the easy period, there's a very little chance of getting it. They made most of those summer items ridiculously rare now. ........::::: Rainy's YouTube Channel - Rainy's Twitter - Rainy's Facebook - Rainy's DeviantArt - Rainy's Tumblr - Rainy's Tip.It Profile :::::......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Miraculously I got the full queens guard outfit (got shoes today) but that's pretty much it. Unless you bought spins on the weekend those items were in the common slots you're very unlikely to get them even by purchasing spins now/ Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J35u5_M4 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I had to post this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruinous Edge Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I have had a fair bit of luck with the SOF summer items, I have full dragon ceremonial, and in the last few days I've got the queen's guard top, hat & shoes. still had no luck with the sunbathe emote though. Quest Cape Achieved 10/08/2012TFU: Ruinous Edge http://www.transformersuniverse.comA piece of glass in the sand under your feet, it cuts you deep and it makes you hate the beauty that you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Unless you got the sunbathe emote during the easy period, there's a very little chance of getting it. They made most of those summer items ridiculously rare now. I didn't even know it was common on the release weekend. I did manage to finally get dragon and queens (I got most of it release weekend but I needed a few more) I really hate all these cosmetic outfits that we can't get without buying spins. Mostly because spins leads to xp/gp and not just cosmetics. I would gladly pay for just the cosmetic stuff off squeel and nothing else! :c Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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