Future Update Discussions

[brunokiller]

@Cheat: that's because you can't replay the quest

 

 

You can actually replay heroes quest ;p

[Quyneax]

@Cheat: that's because you can't replay the quest

You can actually replay heroes quest ;p

True, but you get no rewards (unless your partner pays you, but that's probably not a good way to make money). To really make quests replayable, you need to add rewards, such as xp. You could even add a 'social questing' benefits store (like social slayer) but idk if that's really a good idea. There's already so many reward point systems.

[HunterDexter]

Wait, since when can you replay heroes quest? :o

[strilmus]

you can provide the help in the candlestick robbery any number of times, but there's no reward at that point

[Urza285]

So it dawned on me that before TWW was released they stated that several guthix guardians would be revealed and the total number being 8. Currently we know the Valluta, Juna, Fiona and the player being guthix guardians. With that we found out there was Cres and Death (Chaelder apparently not being one and his place there currently unknown to me). Now after the release of the Order of Ascension we see a new one named Ocellus Virius.That raises the number to 7/8 known guardians of guthix.

 

Over the past few events we've been seeing a colorful picture painted out of how guthix not only viewed the world, but how he interacted with it. Guthix apparently picked mortal beings at the time who showed they were worthy of a cause to protect an aspect of the world he held dear. Some are still questioned because they lack the story to legitimately say they were mortal and not outright created. But generally all of these beings were give some kind of power and something to look after. Now lets touch on what all the current guardians are watching over:

 

Cres: Guardian of Guthix chambers and custodial architect.

 

Fiona: Guardian of the "fist of guthix" or more logically the residual powers left behind by the stone of jas.

 

Valluta: Guardian of the in-coming portals from foreign invasive worlds.

 

Death: Guardian of souls.

 

The Player: Guardian of the people from the tyranny of the Gods (could be the "flaming on the new skill" mention by players choices they could have during the quest and choices they may have in divination).

 

Occelus Virius: Could be potentially construed as the Guardian of freedom for man. Guthix seemed to admire man greatly and saw Virius as a protector of this aspect.

 

So with that we now see a few things with the guardians of guthix. They are all mortals "risen" by guthix and given great power both in purpose and magically as well. These beings seem to embody a purpose as well as a fraction of Guthix personality and purpose in conserving the world.

 

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

[helring]

So it dawned on me that before TWW was released they stated that several guthix guardians would be revealed and the total number being 8. Currently we know the Valluta, Juna, Fiona and the player being guthix guardians. With that we found out there was Cres and Death (Chaelder apparently not being one and his place there currently unknown to me). Now after the release of the Order of Ascension we see a new one named Ocellus Virius.That raises the number to 7/8 known guardians of guthix.

 

Over the past few events we've been seeing a colorful picture painted out of how guthix not only viewed the world, but how he interacted with it. Guthix apparently picked mortal beings at the time who showed they were worthy of a cause to protect an aspect of the world he held dear. Some are still questioned because they lack the story to legitimately say they were mortal and not outright created. But generally all of these beings were give some kind of power and something to look after. Now lets touch on what all the current guardians are watching over:

 

Cres: Guardian of Guthix chambers and custodial architect.

 

Fiona: Guardian of the "fist of guthix" or more logically the residual powers left behind by the stone of jas.

 

Valluta: Guardian of the in-coming portals from foreign invasive worlds.

 

Death: Guardian of souls.

 

The Player: Guardian of the people from the tyranny of the Gods (could be the "flaming on the new skill" mention by players choices they could have during the quest and choices they may have in divination).

 

Occelus Virius: Could be potentially construed as the Guardian of freedom for man. Guthix seemed to admire man greatly and saw Virius as a protector of this aspect.

 

So with that we now see a few things with the guardians of guthix. They are all mortals "risen" by guthix and given great power both in purpose and magically as well. These beings seem to embody a purpose as well as a fraction of Guthix personality and purpose in conserving the world.

 

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

I'm wondering if we were recruited as a replacement for Virius since if you've done the lorebook and used it on him after you can see that he was kind of a failure. It would make sense if his job was originally convincing people not to worship gods and he was replaced that we would be given a somewhat similar role.

[Urza285]

So it dawned on me that before TWW was released they stated that several guthix guardians would be revealed and the total number being 8. Currently we know the Valluta, Juna, Fiona and the player being guthix guardians. With that we found out there was Cres and Death (Chaelder apparently not being one and his place there currently unknown to me). Now after the release of the Order of Ascension we see a new one named Ocellus Virius.That raises the number to 7/8 known guardians of guthix.

 

Over the past few events we've been seeing a colorful picture painted out of how guthix not only viewed the world, but how he interacted with it. Guthix apparently picked mortal beings at the time who showed they were worthy of a cause to protect an aspect of the world he held dear. Some are still questioned because they lack the story to legitimately say they were mortal and not outright created. But generally all of these beings were give some kind of power and something to look after. Now lets touch on what all the current guardians are watching over:

 

Cres: Guardian of Guthix chambers and custodial architect.

 

Fiona: Guardian of the "fist of guthix" or more logically the residual powers left behind by the stone of jas.

 

Valluta: Guardian of the in-coming portals from foreign invasive worlds.

 

Death: Guardian of souls.

 

The Player: Guardian of the people from the tyranny of the Gods (could be the "flaming on the new skill" mention by players choices they could have during the quest and choices they may have in divination).

 

Occelus Virius: Could be potentially construed as the Guardian of freedom for man. Guthix seemed to admire man greatly and saw Virius as a protector of this aspect.

 

So with that we now see a few things with the guardians of guthix. They are all mortals "risen" by guthix and given great power both in purpose and magically as well. These beings seem to embody a purpose as well as a fraction of Guthix personality and purpose in conserving the world.

 

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

I'm wondering if we were recruited as a replacement for Virius since if you've done the lorebook and used it on him after you can see that he was kind of a failure. It would make sense if his job was originally convincing people not to worship gods and he was replaced that we would be given a somewhat similar role.

 

Oh one thing I kind of forgot to mention, but was an undertone to the mortals being recruited concept. The guardians are mortals and with Virius I think try are trying to portay that they are prone to mistakes and aren't whole divine and righteous (despite how the gods might feel they themselves are, but really aren't).

[helring]

So it dawned on me that before TWW was released they stated that several guthix guardians would be revealed and the total number being 8. Currently we know the Valluta, Juna, Fiona and the player being guthix guardians. With that we found out there was Cres and Death (Chaelder apparently not being one and his place there currently unknown to me). Now after the release of the Order of Ascension we see a new one named Ocellus Virius.That raises the number to 7/8 known guardians of guthix.

 

Over the past few events we've been seeing a colorful picture painted out of how guthix not only viewed the world, but how he interacted with it. Guthix apparently picked mortal beings at the time who showed they were worthy of a cause to protect an aspect of the world he held dear. Some are still questioned because they lack the story to legitimately say they were mortal and not outright created. But generally all of these beings were give some kind of power and something to look after. Now lets touch on what all the current guardians are watching over:

 

Cres: Guardian of Guthix chambers and custodial architect.

 

Fiona: Guardian of the "fist of guthix" or more logically the residual powers left behind by the stone of jas.

 

Valluta: Guardian of the in-coming portals from foreign invasive worlds.

 

Death: Guardian of souls.

 

The Player: Guardian of the people from the tyranny of the Gods (could be the "flaming on the new skill" mention by players choices they could have during the quest and choices they may have in divination).

 

Occelus Virius: Could be potentially construed as the Guardian of freedom for man. Guthix seemed to admire man greatly and saw Virius as a protector of this aspect.

 

So with that we now see a few things with the guardians of guthix. They are all mortals "risen" by guthix and given great power both in purpose and magically as well. These beings seem to embody a purpose as well as a fraction of Guthix personality and purpose in conserving the world.

 

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

I'm wondering if we were recruited as a replacement for Virius since if you've done the lorebook and used it on him after you can see that he was kind of a failure. It would make sense if his job was originally convincing people not to worship gods and he was replaced that we would be given a somewhat similar role.

 

Oh one thing I kind of forgot to mention, but was an undertone to the mortals being recruited concept. The guardians are mortals and with Virius I think try are trying to portay that they are prone to mistakes and aren't whole divine and righteous (despite how the gods might feel they themselves are, but really aren't).

 

To me it shows more that Guthix was fallible and had some bad judgement. So, it makes more sense to reject his belief that gods are always negative.

[Tansuo]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Just had the horrific idea that it could be a signature hero...

[Binary Mage]

 

Fresh Prince of Bel Air, garish vest, awesome radio voice. What else could you ask for?

[kamil1210]

I thoug rs history video will be much better. The one is boring. Worst bts video ever!

 

Real RuneScape history in 3 words: "Worst update ever". And that is why peoples of Gilinoir are so screwed, have soo many adventurers and still need new ones. Every week Gilinoir is changing and every change is worse than earlier one. But now with douchebag gods coming to Gilinoir we need you to stop them.

[Sy_Accursed]

I liked the few tidbits of info we got there:

Gods want to gather guthix magic + stone of jas to basically put edicts back up in their favour.

Tumeken went to sleep when the edicts came - further fits in with their pantheon being kinda a micro version of godwars. Would put Amascut's current actions as sort of Zamorak causing the first pangs of war whilst Guthix sleeps.

Marimbo had a party - lol

New(?) Dragonkin concept art, kinda makes it seem like quest is a bit nearer.

[Ruinous Edge]

The video was a let down for me, they barely covered the history of glienor(sp?) I expected so much more...

One thing the video did do for me though was bring up the question could the dragonkin kill a truly ascended God?

So far the Gods have only been killed/hinted at being killed via elder artefacts (armadyl's staff and the sword Guthix used). Yes the dragonkin are powered by the stone's use by false-users, and they have slain a psuedo 'god' in the form of Lucien (not really a God more a majharrat on an ego/power trip), but to actually have the power to destroy a God such as Saradomin or Zamorak? only time will tell I guess.

[Sy_Accursed]

The video was a let down for me, they barely covered the history of glienor(sp?) I expected so much more...

One thing the video did do for me though was bring up the question could the dragonkin kill a truly ascended God?

So far the Gods have only been killed/hinted at being killed via elder artefacts (armadyl's staff and the sword Guthix used). Yes the dragonkin are powered by the stone's use by false-users, and they have slain a psuedo 'god' in the form of Lucien (not really a God more a majharrat on an ego/power trip), but to actually have the power to destroy a God such as Saradomin or Zamorak? only time will tell I guess.

 

I think they easily could, they are sort of an elder artefact of sorts being the defence mechanism of one. And as we know elder artefacts kill gods.

[Ruinous Edge]

The video was a let down for me, they barely covered the history of glienor(sp?) I expected so much more...

One thing the video did do for me though was bring up the question could the dragonkin kill a truly ascended God?

So far the Gods have only been killed/hinted at being killed via elder artefacts (armadyl's staff and the sword Guthix used). Yes the dragonkin are powered by the stone's use by false-users, and they have slain a psuedo 'god' in the form of Lucien (not really a God more a majharrat on an ego/power trip), but to actually have the power to destroy a God such as Saradomin or Zamorak? only time will tell I guess.

 

I think they easily could, they are sort of an elder artefact of sorts being the defence mechanism of one. And as we know elder artefacts kill gods.

They may be the defence mechanism of the Stone (elder artefact) but did the Elder God's ever envisage another Godlike being mis-using their artefacts? And as such give the dragonkin that sort of power? This will be the make or break of the issue I foresee.

[Sy_Accursed]

The video was a let down for me, they barely covered the history of glienor(sp?) I expected so much more...

One thing the video did do for me though was bring up the question could the dragonkin kill a truly ascended God?

So far the Gods have only been killed/hinted at being killed via elder artefacts (armadyl's staff and the sword Guthix used). Yes the dragonkin are powered by the stone's use by false-users, and they have slain a psuedo 'god' in the form of Lucien (not really a God more a majharrat on an ego/power trip), but to actually have the power to destroy a God such as Saradomin or Zamorak? only time will tell I guess.

 

I think they easily could, they are sort of an elder artefact of sorts being the defence mechanism of one. And as we know elder artefacts kill gods.

They may be the defence mechanism of the Stone (elder artefact) but did the Elder God's ever envisage another Godlike being mis-using their artefacts? And as such give the dragonkin that sort of power? This will be the make or break of the issue I foresee.

 

The dragonkin get more power the more the stone is issued - so their power is directly relative to how much power is drawn from the stone. Plus from what we have so far it is not exactly that hard to kill a god.

Sliske ran up and cast 1 spell and managed it.

Weedy little Guthix stabbed Skagaroth and he died quickly.

Zaros basically tripped and fell on the staff and 'died.'

 

The hard part of killing a god doesn't seem to be getting near them or even managing to attack them; their belief in thier own power makes that easy. The hard part seems to be getting your hands on an elder item.

[Tansuo]

Nvm was such a badly worded and informed question that I just scrapped it.

[Kimberly]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Aren't you forgetting Juna, guardian of the Tears of Guthix - which were the magical energies mixed with runestone to create the Ascended?

 

Nevermind, your breakdown includes 6, even if Juna was added (and it was mentioned earlier in the post) it wouldn't bring the count to 8. My bad.

[Sy_Accursed]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Aren't you forgetting Juna, guardian of the Tears of Guthix - which were the magical energies mixed with runestone to create the Ascended?

 

Nevermind, your breakdown includes 6, even if Juna was added (and it was mentioned earlier in the post) it wouldn't bring the count to 8. My bad.

 

My deffo only 7 thus far:

Death

Valluta

Juna

Fiara

Cres

Occelus

You

[Ruinous Edge]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Aren't you forgetting Juna, guardian of the Tears of Guthix - which were the magical energies mixed with runestone to create the Ascended?

 

Nevermind, your breakdown includes 6, even if Juna was added (and it was mentioned earlier in the post) it wouldn't bring the count to 8. My bad.

 

My deffo only 7 thus far:

Death

Valluta

Juna

Fiara

Cres

Occelus

You

So is the general consensus that Occelus is or is not a Guthix Guardian, because the way the lore goes from the book of ascension, it all but says that Occelus is a disgraced, more likely than not, former guardian of Guthix, which would leave two gaps in our list?

[Binary Mage]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Aren't you forgetting Juna, guardian of the Tears of Guthix - which were the magical energies mixed with runestone to create the Ascended?

 

Nevermind, your breakdown includes 6, even if Juna was added (and it was mentioned earlier in the post) it wouldn't bring the count to 8. My bad.

 

My deffo only 7 thus far:

Death

Valluta

Juna

Fiara

Cres

Occelus

You

So is the general consensus that Occelus is or is not a Guthix Guardian, because the way the lore goes from the book of ascension, it all but says that Occelus is a disgraced more likely than not former guardian of Guthix, which would leave two gaps in our list?

It's possible either way--depends on the strict definition of a Guardian. We will likely only find out Osborne's thoughts on the subject in a future Q&A, and finally see just how many Guthix Guardians there are left to discover.

[Sy_Accursed]

So my next part up or discussion is what might we see for our eighth and final guardian of guthix? Could this person be a potential avatar as leader for the godless faction? Who knows...

 

Aren't you forgetting Juna, guardian of the Tears of Guthix - which were the magical energies mixed with runestone to create the Ascended?

 

Nevermind, your breakdown includes 6, even if Juna was added (and it was mentioned earlier in the post) it wouldn't bring the count to 8. My bad.

 

My deffo only 7 thus far:

Death

Valluta

Juna

Fiara

Cres

Occelus

You

So is the general consensus that Occelus is or is not a Guthix Guardian, because the way the lore goes from the book of ascension, it all but says that Occelus is a disgraced more likely than not former guardian of Guthix, which would leave two gaps in our list?

It's possible either way--depends on the strict definition of a Guardian. We will likely only find out Osborne's thoughts on the subject in a future Q&A, and finally see just how many Guthix Guardians there are left to discover.

 

Yeah it's kinda hard to say where Occelus falls in terms of the 8 atm.

On the one hand there being 8 could mean 8 were made which means regardless of falling into disgrace he still is one as he still retains whatever power guthix gave him and cannot lose that.

On the other it could equally mean the group that collectively goes by the title of guardians of guthix consists of 8 members, meaning his disgrace would mean he is not one of the 8.

 

I doubt we will get a finite answer until further down the road when it comes a point where we've had number 8 and we hit a quest that could do with one they would make the call on Occelus and whether they can have 1 new one.

 

I mean even outside Occelus there is interesting things to consider:

Does there being 8 mean there is sort of always 8? Which fits in with the idea we replaced Occelus.

If that is the case does that mean someone else will be granted Guardian-ship some how to replace Cres or did Guthix only bless us knowing that Cres would fall?

Also if they require replacements does that mean another could be granted status to replace Fiara (for those she died for)?

Is it even possible for there to be new Guardians now Guthix is gone? Must he grant it directly or could the other Guardians bestow it using the anima mundi or w/e?

 

So many possible tangents they could go off in to and that's without even considering some utter crazy twist or god old retconing of ideas and straying from the idea of there only being 8 (it's not anywhere in-game afterall only in exterior qas)

[Urza285]

Ocellus is a guardian of guthix. He stated that he was busy so couldn't come right? Or even at the least if he wasn't trusted by the other guardians it was guthix choice to make him a guardian and the other can't do anything to deny him responsibility or revoke his powers. That is something reserved for guthix himself. Ocellus should remain as seen as a guardian of guthix and sets the standard for the guardians that they are fallable (even in the eyes of their peers). I honestly feel the community here is over-analyzing this. He is a guardian of guthix - period.

[Binary Mage]

Ocellus is a guardian of guthix. He stated that he was busy so couldn't come right? Or even at the least if he wasn't trusted by the other guardians it was guthix choice to make him a guardian and the other can't do anything to deny him responsibility or revoke his powers. That is something reserved for guthix himself. Ocellus should remain as seen as a guardian of guthix and sets the standard for the guardians that they are fallable (even in the eyes of their peers). I honestly feel the community here is over-analyzing this. He is a guardian of guthix - period.

 

Ocellus lied when he said he was busy--he was not invited by Juna because she was horrified at his experiments. (Revealed in the Book of the Order) He has gone completely insane--he has been excommunicated by the other Guardians for all intensive purposes because of how far he has deviated from Guthix's ideals. He is not "falliable", per se--he has outright fallen from grace with no possible redemption.

 

The question is to whether or not that still qualifies him as a Guardian. It is uncertain as to whether or not one has to specifically be granted special powers in order to be a Guardian--and even if so, since Guthix is dead the definition of a Guardian lies primarily in the hands of the other Guardians. If they no longer consider him a Guardian, does that truly make him one? (In the eyes of Mod Osborne at least.)

 

The main reason we are asking this is because Mod Osborne said that there is only eight Guardians of Guthix. If Ocellus does not count to him (which may be entirely likely), that means there are two Guardians left to discover. (Even if it raises more questions--since Ocellus seems to have been the "Guardian of Free Will" sort of Guardian, does that mean our Player has replaced him?)

[helring]

Ocellus is a guardian of guthix. He stated that he was busy so couldn't come right? Or even at the least if he wasn't trusted by the other guardians it was guthix choice to make him a guardian and the other can't do anything to deny him responsibility or revoke his powers. That is something reserved for guthix himself. Ocellus should remain as seen as a guardian of guthix and sets the standard for the guardians that they are fallable (even in the eyes of their peers). I honestly feel the community here is over-analyzing this. He is a guardian of guthix - period.

 

I assume you haven't finished the History of the Order?

When Guthix needed protection, Ocellus wasn't even called. When he says he was busy its a lie.