Future Update Discussions

[Hedgehog]

For mining it's an improvement of 11.1% from rune to dragon, no idea about wc. They can easily make the level 70 pickaxe 14% better than dragon, which is pretty fair.

 

This update will probably be unappreciated by much of the community, but I think it's a step in the right direction. It also means that we're getting really close to a huge skill upgrade.

[Urza285]

I'm actually curious now about seeing an addition to the quest All Fired Up to hike up the use for the adze. I am thinking maybe they could imbue the magic from the adze into the higher grade axes or something to that effect. I'm glad someone else sees that we have a high chance of receiving better equipment. Even if we didn't get new equipment it would still set the stage for "level your gear" by giving greater access to the high end equipment.

[Hedgehog]

Usually I'm against upgrading low level shit, but an adze upgrade would be good because it's basically a quest item. I'd prefer if the new version came from a similar minigame that required an adze to unlock though. Perhaps if we added something to notify varrock if zamorakians were invading. Or similar for other factions.

[Aiel]

Usually I'm against upgrading low level shit, but an adze upgrade would be good because it's basically a quest item. I'd prefer if the new version came from a similar minigame that required an adze to unlock though. Perhaps if we added something to notify varrock if zamorakians were invading. Or similar for other factions.

adze is more of medium-high content then low, would be nice if it had like a 80+ mining/wc upgrade to make it better then dragon though.

[V O R K]

For mining it's an improvement of 11.1% from rune to dragon, no idea about wc. They can easily make the level 70 pickaxe 14% better than dragon, which is pretty fair.

 

This update will probably be unappreciated by much of the community, but I think it's a step in the right direction. It also means that we're getting really close to a huge skill upgrade.

 

Well I don't know completely what's up but I like treasure trails so alright :P

[Quyneax]

We don't really need higher success rates for mining/woodcutting, we need a lot more xp/item and a lot fewer item/h (plus that resource drops from non-mining sources needs to be removed). Adding higher tier tools will increase xp/h I guess, but skill balance is much more important imo (can warband mining anyway).

 

If gold was 500 xp per ore and 200 ores per hour, you could make gold ore somewhat valuable again.

 

Edit: Sinkhan had a good idea about warbands: make the reward bonus xp. Ensures at least 50% of the total mining xp gain is from training :).

[Alg]

I'm actually curious now about seeing an addition to the quest All Fired Up to hike up the use for the adze. I am thinking maybe they could imbue the magic from the adze into the higher grade axes or something to that effect. I'm glad someone else sees that we have a high chance of receiving better equipment. Even if we didn't get new equipment it would still set the stage for "level your gear" by giving greater access to the high end equipment.

That's how they should do level-your-equipment, really. Take your untradeable and outdated quest items, let you improve them through a similar process to how you got them in the first place. Much better than stealing items that would be for low-level players if Jagex didn't put it on an endgame boss's drop list. :razz:

[Hedgehog]

A new pick wouldn't mean higher success rates, just less time between attempts (7/3 instead of 8/3 ticks on average). They should take this as an opportunity to make woodcutting work like mining, honestly.

[Binary Mage]

I'm actually curious now about seeing an addition to the quest All Fired Up to hike up the use for the adze. I am thinking maybe they could imbue the magic from the adze into the higher grade axes or something to that effect. I'm glad someone else sees that we have a high chance of receiving better equipment. Even if we didn't get new equipment it would still set the stage for "level your gear" by giving greater access to the high end equipment.

That's how they should do level-your-equipment, really. Take your untradeable and outdated quest items, let you improve them through a similar process to how you got them in the first place. Much better than stealing items that would be for low-level players if Jagex didn't put it on an endgame boss's drop list. :razz:

The idea behind Level-your-Equipment was that you would have a low-level, easily-obtained drop that would gain its own XP (and levels) as you killed with it--and would eventually, after weeks of killing, become an amazing top-tier weapon.

 

The whole Dragon Crossbow -> Ascension Crossbow thing is just an alternate, wonky system of obtaining non-levellable equipment. :P It's not their solution to level-your-equipment; we should see that in 2014/2015.

[Scherzo]

We don't really need higher success rates for mining/woodcutting, we need a lot more xp/item and a lot fewer item/h (plus that resource drops from non-mining sources needs to be removed). Adding higher tier tools will increase xp/h I guess, but skill balance is much more important imo (can warband mining anyway).

 

If gold was 500 xp per ore and 200 ores per hour, you could make gold ore somewhat valuable again.

 

Edit: Sinkhan had a good idea about warbands: make the reward bonus xp. Ensures at least 50% of the total mining xp gain is from training :).

 

 

I think both would help. If something with as you say fewer items per hour, then having the increase from a higher tier tool would help more as well.

 

 

Edit: Nevermind then - I'll agree that a new tool isn't needed compared to possibilities on training on highxp low items stuff.

[Quyneax]

Nah tools are a percentage boost (for mining, for woodcutting it's weirder) :P. See: http://forum.tip.it/topic/273056-discussion-update-teasers/page__st__5380#entry5414377

"A new pick wouldn't mean higher success rates, just less time between attempts (7/3 instead of 8/3 ticks on average). They should take this as an opportunity to make woodcutting work like mining, honestly. "

[Platinum_Myr]

Yes, they really should give us higher xp but lower item count, so that way we could have resources which are worth doing but still don't as easily flood the market..

 

And they really should not be massive skilling item drops from combat.. That really screwed things up. They should have monster drops which are monster only to obtain, and skilling drops which are skilling only, and then some things inbetween where you can get it from both... But right now we basically have zero skill-only resources.

[Miss Lioness]

Yes, they really should give us higher xp but lower item count, so that way we could have resources which are worth doing but still don't as easily flood the market..

 

And they really should not be massive skilling item drops from combat.. That really screwed things up. They should have monster drops which are monster only to obtain, and skilling drops which are skilling only, and then some things inbetween where you can get it from both... But right now we basically have zero skill-only resources.

 

Red Sandstone is 1 of few that comes in my mind.

[Alg]

And they really should not be massive skilling item drops from combat.. That really screwed things up. They should have monster drops which are monster only to obtain, and skilling drops which are skilling only, and then some things inbetween where you can get it from both... But right now we basically have zero skill-only resources.

Part of the problem is that you're probably better off killing monsters for resources than you are harvesting them. Considering the sheer amount of resources it takes to get a skill into the 80s, let alone 99, it's easy to see why harvesting skills are more or less dead.

[strilmus]

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isn't ports entirely based on skilling?

 

granted one of them's slayer but i mean it's just one

[Miss Lioness]

I just remembered another one: Blood tree bolts etc.

[Platinum_Myr]

Yep but that is more daily than training

 

Sorry for the double post was an accident.

[Platinum_Myr]

And they really should not be massive skilling item drops from combat.. That really screwed things up. They should have monster drops which are monster only to obtain, and skilling drops which are skilling only, and then some things inbetween where you can get it from both... But right now we basically have zero skill-only resources.

Part of the problem is that you're probably better off killing monsters for resources than you are harvesting them. Considering the sheer amount of resources it takes to get a skill into the 80s, let alone 99, it's easy to see why harvesting skills are more or less dead.

 

That's precisely my point... Combat should never thought be more effective at gathering than gathering is.

[Sy_Accursed]

And they really should not be massive skilling item drops from combat.. That really screwed things up. They should have monster drops which are monster only to obtain, and skilling drops which are skilling only, and then some things inbetween where you can get it from both... But right now we basically have zero skill-only resources.

Part of the problem is that you're probably better off killing monsters for resources than you are harvesting them. Considering the sheer amount of resources it takes to get a skill into the 80s, let alone 99, it's easy to see why harvesting skills are more or less dead.

 

That's precisely my point... Combat should never thought be more effective at gathering than gathering is.

 

Totally agree. Ores, bars, logs and fish, as a bare minimum, should not be obtainable so easily from combat. Mining, Smithing, Woodcutting and Fishing ought to be the main suppliers.

Personally I think most RS monsters could do with a rebalance that scales back drop tables a bit in favour of larger coin drops. We only care about the monetary value anyway and even then most of the good drops are only good because they alch well. It'd be much simpler to revive gathering skills (and others beside) if much of these were stripped away from drop tables and left us with good old coins.

 

Of course this would need to work in tandem with some reworking of the skills, but tbf they aren't that far off the mark - they are just hindered by the fact everything they offer can be gotten faster via combat.

[Blofeld]

There are some really good ideas about skilling these last few pages I must say. I must admit I would far rather Jagex did a proper fix of the current gathering and production skills than have the 2 new skills this year.

[Trey]

If JaGex re-balances the smithing table, then we absolutely need higher tier gathering items. The speed that you collect mithril, adamant, and runite ore is way too slow to fit in with a re-balanced system. Sure you're going to collect lower tier items faster now, but they wont be as valuable as they are today. No one complains about how fast you can cut Oak trees and or how you can mine iron ore in 1 hit consistently.

 

eg: Over world smithing table similar to DG smith table.

 

Bronze ......... 1-9

Iron .......... 10-19

Steel ........ 20-29

Mithril ....... 30-39

Adamant .. 40-49

Runite ...... 50-59

Dragon .... 60-69

[Tier 8] ..... 70-79

[Tier 9] ..... 80-89

[Tier 10] ... 90-99

 

I also think that the gathering skills couldn't hurt with an xp/hr bump. You can get over 250k/hr in most other skills today. Aside from the gathering skills (woodcut, mining, fishing) the only other skills that don't hit 200-250k/hr are Runecrafting, agility and constitution.

 

So yeah new tier items and ~150k/hr shouldn't melt any faces.

[Hedgehog]

A huge problem is that rebalancing the tables won't do anything because the damage has already been done. There are too many rune/adamant/mithril items in the game and too few low levels. I can't really think of a solution outside of doing a level and item reset, and that wouldn't fly well.

[Sy_Accursed]

^ Rebalance the drop tables & smithing tables + give high level smiths something better to do.

It won't be immediate results, but it will, in time, erode the excess supplies and make things better.

[Trey]

A huge problem is that rebalancing the tables won't do anything because the damage has already been done. There are too many rune/adamant/mithril items in the game and too few low levels. I can't really think of a solution outside of doing a level and item reset, and that wouldn't fly well.

I kind of don't understand your post at all. How exactly is that a problem?

[Quyneax]

@Trey: You do need to take into account that buyables like smithing lose money (@~250k xp/h) while mining (should) make money (@~100k xp/h). If you balance the money right, the lower xp rate doesn't hurt. But I agree that xp rates need to be roughly equivalent.

 

Hedge is talking about saturation of the market. There are so many items around (much more than we need) that it will take a long time for, say, runite armour to be worth a lot more than the alch price. Alching is the only thing holding up most of these items anyway. If alching stops being profitable, the items will barely leave the game (so you'll get a lot of runite items at alch price + 1k or something).

 

I think that if there was some sort of D&D that would allow us to supply our god emissary with a number of armour sets based on the number of sets in the game, we could solve the saturation. E.g. there's 10m addy plates right now, the emissary wants 200 plates. If there's 500k plates at some point, the emissary will only want 10.