Autoer/macroer discussion- please post here!

[gahh]

dont know if this has been said....but how can u know if someones macroing, wat if they turned private chat off so they dont know if ur saying anything therefore no response.....:?

[pansynator]

They're appearance is usually the first detectable thing for players. They tend to be the default look; bold, green top, black or brown legs (can't remember). If they don't talk, it could be that they're a macroer. If they have an asian name (not to be racist, Asian workers are paid to make programs at a cheap wage for others) such as, Xing7262 or alot of numbers, these usually is a key characteristic.

[Tim]

im only f2p now hough i still keep my trademark robes on, and ive seen so many autoers in under a minute, im going on a cleensweep, reporting all those annoying bots i see as i walk through.

[Tim]

heres a good pic just to describe the average bot:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[anonymous1234]

wats so bad about autoing, i do it all the time?

:shame: autoing makes all the prices of raw materials go down AND makes it harder for honest O:) players to get those raw materials

[m0nkeym0j030]

what i really hate about autoers is that when u get to finally cutting yews you only get pushed out by autoers :evil:

[m0nkeym0j030]

excuse me lady_kady how do u put that picture there... the one were it says ur stats and that female mage there

[lya_helix]

i saw like 10 ppl with the same cb (lvl 3) cutting yews with rune axes

[poiuytreza2]

Its worse then you think. Ive been doing some backdoor research and these are a few things I figured out: (I wrote that myself, I could still be wrong)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, colour clicking is old-school. It still works, but isnt that effective anymore.

 

 

 

Pro: you wont get detected easily if you click a few random colours.

 

 

 

Con: changing colours/orientation of objects is easy to do for JaGeX, making a script is hard and detecting the colours or words/numbers is harder!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Client editing, heres where the easy work for scriptkiddies is. Once you have decompiled the original client its easy to change code and compile one yourself! Note that this is not item duplicating, it is just changing and acting on information you recieve/send.

 

 

 

I found a whole library to edit decompiled code in just a few minutes. With this, its easy to make a macro: if (readHP() < 18) RunAway() [This is NOT actual code, but it should be similar]

 

 

 

Pro: easy to make with basic programming knowledge and a lot of options you can make yourself (that zooming really looks interesting)

 

 

 

Con: Your account gets flagged if you use edited clients

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And now for something completely different: Gold Farming. People who play for almost no money, hours a day, and they cant even speak English.

 

 

 

=; This is actually hard to report becouse its not macroing and its hard to prove they are actually real world item trading.

 

 

 

I report them for macroing anyway, they act the same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note: I do not want you guys to try this out, nor to macro or break any JaGeX rule. I just post this so you know a bit more on how they work. Do NOT try this at home please.

[Prayerbinder]

Interestingly, I have observed that macros all seem to walk in a rather unusual way eg. always stopping, slow to react, stops at a door and opens it 10 secs later.

[poiuytreza2]

After doing a bit more research, they seem to make an edited client and then run a bitmap clicker in that client!

 

 

 

The client is made so that random colours would be much lower and a colour (bitmap) clicker works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The path they follow is based on landmarks, they look for a tile they know and click there, then the script pauzes for several miliseconds (2000-5000) and clicks again. This is to make sure the character is on its right spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its all not too complicated, but it looks like they do have problems with essence miners etc..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today I saw at least 60 different macroers/gold farmers in 1h max. I report one each minute and if I cant report them yet (60sec limit) I put them in my ignore list. When that one is full I'll send a message to JaGeX to look at my ignore list for macro reports.

 

 

 

Ill do everything I can to stop them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, there is one thing that makes most of the bots log out, ill try to test that asap and see if it works.

 

 

 

Id be \ if I just had to walk around and they all log out

[Starblaster100]

Seems Like someone has been doing their research...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, colour clicking is old-school. It still works, but isnt that effective anymore.

 

 

 

Pro: you wont get detected easily if you click a few random colours.

 

 

 

Con: changing colours/orientation of objects is easy to do for JaGeX, making a script is hard and detecting the colours or words/numbers is harder!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Color Clicking is not old school at all. It hasn't "passed" yet, it is still going strong. Yes jagex Change Colors everytime we reload the client, and move symbols around, but thats no problem. We have procedures to update colors on the move, and detect symbol wherever they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Client editing, heres where the easy work for scriptkiddies is. Once you have decompiled the original client its easy to change code and compile one yourself! Note that this is not item duplicating, it is just changing and acting on information you recieve/send.

 

 

 

I found a whole library to edit decompiled code in just a few minutes. With this, its easy to make a macro: if (readHP() < 18) RunAway() [This is NOT actual code, but it should be similar]

 

 

 

Pro: easy to make with basic programming knowledge and a lot of options you can make yourself (that zooming really looks interesting)

 

 

 

Con: Your account gets flagged if you use edited clients

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is impossible to decompile the RS Clients, and get code from them. Otherwise we would be able to duplicate items, and teleport anywhere in RS. Java bots simulate the RS client with a few added features (Such as Tiles which you mentioned above)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its not easy to make all bots logout ;) You'd be surprised how advanced Macros have become.

[0m3gaknight7]

Now heres a chilling thought.... What if someone built a very advanced macro to train LARGE numbers of accounts up to maybe 60 strength, 1 attack and 30ish fishing and cooking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The script would converge all the trained accounts every few hours at varock with a load of cooked salmon and then send the hoard of lifeless robots pking f2p multi in a huge perfectly coordinated army.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dun, dun, dun...

[no_way2go]

Someone has been watching star wars to much :shock: 8-)

[Gyroman26]

Now heres a chilling thought.... What if someone built a very advanced macro to train LARGE numbers of accounts up to maybe 60 strength, 1 attack and 30ish fishing and cooking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The script would converge all the trained accounts every few hours at varock with a load of cooked salmon and then send the hoard of lifeless robots pking f2p multi in a huge perfectly coordinated army.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dun, dun, dun...

 

 

 

have you been watching star wars lately?

[lorddayu]

 

You know I don't think these are macroers were dealing with. This might go off-topic here, but it will explain what's really going on with the "macroer" problem.

 

 

 

The whole majority of these macroers, are actually real people: under-paid chinese workers (I'm not being racist btw) that live in so called "sweat shops". I saw the news yesterday on TV about this growing problem in China. These workers get paid very little or nothing at all while the people that run these sweatshops get the money by selling off items/gp that the workers obtain to the people that want them.

 

 

 

This actualy explains why these "macroers" have chinese names. Also I've seen some of the chinese slave characters wear mimi clothing and lederhosen, those random events require visual attention to do. I don't think a normal macro could do that...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure if you're kidding or being serious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There needs to be some sort of solution. Maybe a limit on the amount of accounts you can make per IP address?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw something like that on TV too, but that would be near impossible for jagex to stop, because they can't prove anything.

[ClasicBlueMage]

I believe that they are like the illegal immigrants of RuneScape. You donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like them there, but they are needed for the economy. Without the bots, the basics such as logs and ore would be so high that it would get really expensive to train any of your stats. Think about are there anyone who is actually willing to spend all his RuneScape life just mining coal? The bots keep the coal prices down to a manageable level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not by far approve of the bots, and I am not being racist towar the Illegal Immigrants. But we are stuck with them, and they are needed. I say we just make the best of them and learn to live with them.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

I believe that they are like the illegal immigrants of RuneScape. You donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t like them there, but they are needed for the economy. Without the bots, the basics such as logs and ore would be so high that it would get really expensive to train any of your stats. Think about are there anyone who is actually willing to spend all his RuneScape life just mining coal? The bots keep the coal prices down to a manageable level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not by far approve of the bots, and I am not being racist towar the Illegal Immigrants. But we are stuck with them, and they are needed. I say we just make the best of them and learn to live with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dead wrong. Higher prices means more demand for normal non-auto workers, and if, say, yew logs hit 500 apiece, then certainly a lot more people would start cutting them. In turn, prices would again go down, and you would end up with a stabilized instead of steadily decreasing price. There are increasing numbers of both macroers and these so-called "sweatshop workers"- Faster than players who can pay for all their goods pop up- and thus, you have supply that increases faster than demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This will screw over normal low-level players who need a method of making money.

[deyan2]

if you really hate macroers you can kill them, if you don't believe me check the movie: http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid= ... 6829335632

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm sorry for the low quality, but in this movie you can really see how you can kill macroers :wink: :) :P

[hmtourniquet]

 

 

 

There needs to be some sort of solution. Maybe a limit on the amount of accounts you can make per IP address?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This would ban many people needlessly. Just about all schools, colleges, and companies have internal networks, and don't actually "own" IP address for each and every computer hooked into the sub-network. So, just a few IP addresses will be seen from the outside world, with many ports each. A router at the college connected to the sub-network will then interpret and remember which port is assigned to each computer in the sub-network.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make sense? Probably not. To confuse things more, it's worth noting that the current method of sending data over the Internet, using IP version 4, would've run out of IP addresses a few years ago if it weren't for the method of having one IP address with many ports on the front end for many computers in a sub-net. Some ISP's do that too, so it's not just college students (like me) who would be affected by a "only one account per IP address!" rule.

[KnightLite]

Sad to say that fighting against the autoers is an uphill battle :/

[Notorious_Ice]

Sad to say that fighting against the autoers is an uphill battle :/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol. Ive seen you at TI

[Doomster]

At most resources, the autoers and "slaves" are competing with legitimate players for resources - the only resource without competition was rune essence, would have been so much better without Jagex's "solution" to that one!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if the autos go away entirely, production by legitimate players will increase. If that is a bit short of demand, then the price of that resource will tend to increase, drawing more players into collecting it.

[tordy]

It was fun hanging around the varrock yew trees in f2p worlds when like 300 autoers made the freakin funniest rs parade ever:P and when a mod spoke, they all logged.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, I haven't really seen many autoers lately... probably because I'm wcing willows :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really respect people who auto :-w :^o

[illict]

ClasicBlueMage wrote:

Think about are there anyone who is actually willing to spend all his RuneScape life just mining coal? The bots keep the coal prices down to a manageable level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 years ago i started mining, it was relaxing in a way , zoning out - hitting rocks -getting a pattern going... hehe always had my pick with me no matter where i went it never was banked.

 

 

 

Unfortunatly back then i didnt think to stock up my ores , so here I am 10k xp from lvl 86 mining finally catching up my smithing and spending more per ore than they were selling for back then.

 

 

 

What gets me is the probability that the lvl 3s that i run into at the runite are (or at 1 time) bots, I know of 1 lvl 3 that mines runite that is a real person and has never used a macro to level up. Congrats to her by the way !

 

 

 

Anyway- whats the point of playing a game with a cheater?, to be a loser? nah - the loser is the cheater in the long run , they will never get to experience the thrill of personal accomplishment within the game. And the RS gld for RealWrld money thing makes 2 cheaters now... -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

could go on and on , just gets me riled so flick it ,I gotta go mine ,hehe :XD: :thumbsup: