So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

 

 

 

I don't want to know why it's better than another genre. I just want to know why people think it's so special, what it means for them. Something better and deeper than a one line reply.

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

 

 

 

Ha... Could have sworn Ska takes about ten times as much talent as any Metal band. Not to mention that the drummer isn't the only one with talent in the band.

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

 

 

 

I don't want to know why it's better than another genre. I just want to know why people think it's so special, what it means for them. Something better and deeper than a one line reply.

 

 

 

That's what appeals to me. One of the reasons anyway. The other reason is that it just sounds good to my ears. There isn't really much to explain.

 

 

 

Ha... Could have sworn Ska takes about ten times as much talent as any Metal band. Not to mention that the drummer isn't the only one with talent in the band.

 

 

 

I'd love to hear what kind of metal bands you're referring to. Haha

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

 

 

 

Ha... Could have sworn Ska takes about ten times as much talent as any Metal band. Not to mention that the drummer isn't the only one with talent in the band.

 

Huh? Go learn guitar then come back.

 

 

 

Oh and as for what I like about metal... well a big + is how much there is, you'll never run out of metal bands to listen to. And lot of diversity, neo classical power metal to black. The speed of it, ferocity, and how after a 21 minute doom metal song you just sit there thinking wow...

 

 

 

I don't know, it's hard to put into words. Mostly the speed and power getting you pumped.

Ha... Could have sworn Ska takes about ten times as much talent as any Metal band. Not to mention that the drummer isn't the only one with talent in the band.

 

 

 

I'm fond of both genres, but i'd have to say you are waaaaaay off there. Compare a ska guitarist with someone like Dimebag, Zakk Wylde, Kirk Hammet. Those aren't even the best guitarists in the genre and they piss all over any ska guitarist out there. Same can be said for bassists, any metal bassist will be playing at 4 times the speed and technicality of a ska guy.

Ha... Could have sworn Ska takes about ten times as much talent as any Metal band. Not to mention that the drummer isn't the only one with talent in the band.

 

 

 

I'm fond of both genres, but i'd have to say you are waaaaaay off there. Compare a ska guitarist with someone like Dimebag, Zakk Wylde, Kirk Hammet. Those aren't even the best guitarists in the genre and they piss all over any ska guitarist out there. Same can be said for bassists, any metal bassist will be playing at 4 times the speed and technicality of a ska guy.

 

 

 

Agreed, ska is just powerchords with brass instruments.

i just well enjoy it sounds kinda weird but its fun to watch and listen too i got bored of most mainstream bands metal rules 8-) end of story kay?

HATE ETERNAL ANYONE? DEREK RODDY/ERIK RUTON PLZ

 

 

 

Vital Remains

 

Behemoth

 

Anorexia Nervosa

 

Aborted

 

Amon Amarth

 

Angel Corpse

 

At The Gates <3

 

Chimaira

 

Decapitated

 

Defleshed

 

Divine Empire

 

Edge of Sanity

 

Epoch of Unlight

 

God Dethroned

 

Grimfist

 

Hate

 

....

 

I could go on but I gotta get ready for work. Death/black metal 4 lyph.

good band i think roadisland or virginie

Trash:Kreator,Tankard,Slayer

 

Death:Cannibal Corpse,Graveworm,COB,Deicide

 

GRINDCORE(personal favourite :wink: )Gorerotted,Dying Fetus,Pig Destroyer

 

Folk:Korpiklaani,Ensiferum

 

Power & Heavy:Blind Guardian,3 Inches Of Blood,

 

Viking:Amon Amarth

 

 

 

Got to love metal :D so many Types

Trivium is a great band.

Well, Opeth is one of my personal favorites. Children of Bodom are awesome. And you should definantly listen to some DragonForce.

slayer

 

morbid angel

 

kreator

 

ancient rites ( i know there guitarist ^_^)

Good to see you have Pantera on that list :D

So, to make this thread somewhat interesting,(it seems like naming bands and flame others for the named bands is what it's all about at tip.it), why do you think METAL is so great, what makes it so good, why do you like it so much?

 

 

 

It's a lot more diverse and takes a hell of a lot more talent than most punk/rock bands out there today

 

 

 

I don't want to know why it's better than another genre. I just want to know why people think it's so special, what it means for them. Something better and deeper than a one line reply.

 

 

 

It's heavy. It gets your adrenaline going. I dunno about anyone else, but it helps me through troubled times. But most of all, IT'S HEAVY. The heavy from the music just appeals to the people who listen to it. Hearing pounding double bass, heavy guitar, and someone screaming in an angry fashion is exhilirating. That's what people who listen to metal like about it, and for the most part, that's what people that hate metal hate about it.

Many people take to metal music for the aggressive side of it, it gets the adrenaline pumping. Generally, it is favoured by malcontents. People that are generally annoyed with stuff (perhaps the world, their life etc). Less people take to metal because they are 100% depressed. It has been my experience of meeting metal fans, that they are annoyed or even partly depressed don't but necessarily feel themselves as completely helpless.

 

 

 

Once you start listening to metal you find out that it has a lot of depth and is smarter than original thought. Smart? Isn't it just noise. The hardest obstacle to overcome is the production. Often hyper-distored and streamlined (hence, limited dynamic range of sound). The people that play metal are often geeks/ nerds/ the uncool kids. That's why the music tends to be more complex than most other genres. Quite often they grew up listening to classical music and/or classical trained. Massively noticeable in the structure of metal, cyclic structure if generally abandoned in favour of narrative structure.

 

 

 

Furthermore, like Romantic era orchestral music, metal is motivic. At least, the 'real' metal; The sound and lyrical content create a certain image (motif) within the listener. I'd further add that the sound and lyrical content are inseparable and generally disdain people that only like metal for the sound. Metal is much more than just 'banging choons dude'. Besides the shock factor, the smarter bands tend to use philosophical ideas fo their content. The shock factor merely grabs your attention. I'm not really a fan of Goregrind etc that focusses purely on shocking.

 

 

 

If you enjoy composers such as Beethoven, Bach, Paganini and Wagner then there is a good chance you might find something in metal that you will like. Provided that you are willing to get past the production. It may take you a while to get familiar with it or comfortable with it but, you are rewarded with the subtleties of the music that are generally prevailent only in orchestral music.

 

 

 

As for smarter metal bands, I'd suggest Emperor and Burzum. Undoubtedly the best examples of black metal. Also as suggested before, Immortal and older Gorgoroth. I agree with Hohto and recommend Gorgoroth's Pentagram. 8-)

 

If you are a fan of melodic Death but want to get into Black Metal, then try Sacramentum. Swedish group that is fairly unknown yet very talented.

 

 

 

As for Death Metal, I'd recommend the first two from Morbid Angel. Deicide's self-titled album and Deicide's Legion. I'm not as big of a fan of Death Metal, to be honest, however if you want something that is more jazzy but not quite as contentless then I'd suggest Gorguts's album Obscura.

 

I further suggest staying away from Trivium, In Flames, Arch Enemy, Children of Bodom etc. But that is another story.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm happy to talk about metal on RS, feel free to add me. :P

ancient rites ( i know there guitarist ^_^)

 

 

 

I rarely hear anyone praising them. Shame as I quite like them and looking forward to their new album. They played in London recently but there wasn't a chance of me getting to that. :(

Many people take to metal music for the aggressive side of it, it gets the adrenaline pumping. Generally, it is favoured by malcontents. People that are generally annoyed with stuff (perhaps the world, their life etc). Less people take to metal because they are 100% depressed. It has been my experience of meeting metal fans, that they are annoyed or even partly depressed don't but necessarily feel themselves as completely helpless.

 

 

 

Once you start listening to metal you find out that it has a lot of depth and is smarter than original thought. Smart? Isn't it just noise. The hardest obstacle to overcome is the production. Often hyper-distored and streamlined (hence, limited dynamic range of sound). The people that play metal are often geeks/ nerds/ the uncool kids. That's why the music tends to be more complex than most other genres. Quite often they grew up listening to classical music and/or classical trained. Massively noticeable in the structure of metal, cyclic structure if generally abandoned in favour of narrative structure.

 

 

 

Furthermore, like Romantic era orchestral music, metal is motivic. At least, the 'real' metal; The sound and lyrical content create a certain image (motif) within the listener. I'd further add that the sound and lyrical content are inseparable and generally disdain people that only like metal for the sound. Metal is much more than just 'banging choons dude'. Besides the shock factor, the smarter bands tend to use philosophical ideas fo their content. The shock factor merely grabs your attention. I'm not really a fan of Goregrind etc that focusses purely on shocking.

 

 

 

If you enjoy composers such as Beethoven, Bach, Paganini and Wagner then there is a good chance you might find something in metal that you will like. Provided that you are willing to get past the production. It may take you a while to get familiar with it or comfortable with it but, you are rewarded with the subtleties of the music that are generally prevailent only in orchestral music.

 

 

 

As for smarter metal bands, I'd suggest Emperor and Burzum. Undoubtedly the best examples of black metal. Also as suggested before, Immortal and older Gorgoroth. I agree with Hohto and recommend Gorgoroth's Pentagram. 8-)

 

If you are a fan of melodic Death but want to get into Black Metal, then try Sacramentum. Swedish group that is fairly unknown yet very talented.

 

 

 

As for Death Metal, I'd recommend the first two from Morbid Angel. Deicide's self-titled album and Deicide's Legion. I'm not as big of a fan of Death Metal, to be honest, however if you want something that is more jazzy but not quite as contentless then I'd suggest Gorguts's album Obscura.

 

I further suggest staying away from Trivium, In Flames, Arch Enemy, Children of Bodom etc. But that is another story.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm happy to talk about metal on RS, feel free to add me. :P

 

 

 

How can you type a huge paragraph about comparisons between metal and other genres and then recommend Morbid Angel? Morbid Angel are the worst metal band i've ever listened to, they're riffs are incredibly basic, they don't seem to have ever used a chord progression before, their guitar tone sucks...

 

 

 

I do agree that some metal bands are more complex than most people think metal bands are (i used to think metal was basic garbage and Jazz was my favourite genre even though it still is) but there are a few bands which are incredibly technical metal bands yet still focus on groove like in jazz. Bands such as Meshuggah, Sikth, Cryptopsy. Not very technical in terms of how many notes they can fit into bars. They are technical due to their strange rhythmic patterns, song structures, use of alternate time signatures and polyrhythms. Most metal bands won't ever dare stray from standard 4/4 timing neither could they tell you what a polyrhythm is.

 

 

 

I understand that the bands I suggested are perhaps quite difficult listens but they're the only metal bands i've ever liked with the rest of the music I like being jazz primarily.

 

If I was to recommend and easy to listen to metal band, it would have to be Death since they're a bit like morbid angel but solo a lot better, have slightly better tone (although their tone still sucks) and concentrate a lot more on groove instead of technicality

How can you type a huge paragraph about comparisons between metal and other genres and then recommend Morbid Angel?

 

 

 

Have you even listened to them? A legendary death metal pioneer band and not worth recommending? Go back to listen to your SOAD, Slipknot or other commercial pop bands, we'll respect the roots of our music.

 

 

 

Anyways just looked at my cd collection and found one album I forgot to recommend; Bilskirnir - Furor Teutonics. Pretty raw BM with paganism and NS themes, definately worth checking out if you are into that genre.

How can you type a huge paragraph about comparisons between metal and other genres and then recommend Morbid Angel?

 

 

 

Have you even listened to them? A legendary death metal pioneer band and not worth recommending? Go back to listen to your SOAD, Slipknot or other commercial pop bands, we'll respect the roots of our music.

 

 

 

Wtf are you talking about, SOAD, Slipknot are terrible bands as well, perhaps even as bad as Morbid Angel. The only metal bands I actually find good are Meshuggah, Sikth, Cryptopsy, DEP, Death and Dream Theater.

 

 

 

I mean, I even stated the reasons why I hate Morbid Angel so much, and it's all true. Sure Death have really bad guitar tone but atleast they can groove better than Morbid Angel

 

How can you type a huge paragraph about comparisons between metal and other genres and then recommend Morbid Angel? Morbid Angel are the worst metal band i've ever listened to, they're riffs are incredibly basic, they don't seem to have ever used a chord progression before, their guitar tone sucks...

 

 

 

It does not necessarily matter how basic the riffs are, it is what they do with them. Darkthrone's Transilvanian Hunger is a great example of minimalism, perfectly created atmosphere. However, many people tried to copy this album and failed (the entrance of Norsecore to the scene).

 

 

 

I'll need to go back and listen to Morbid Angel's first album in order to give more reasons as to why it is worth it. It is also one of the first DM albums.

 

 

 

 

I do agree that some metal bands are more complex than most people think metal bands are (i used to think metal was basic garbage and Jazz was my favourite genre even though it still is) but there are a few bands which are incredibly technical metal bands yet still focus on groove like in jazz. Bands such as Meshuggah, Sikth, Cryptopsy. Not very technical in terms of how many notes they can fit into bars. They are technical due to their strange rhythmic patterns, song structures, use of alternate time signatures and polyrhythms. Most metal bands won't ever dare stray from standard 4/4 timing neither could they tell you what a polyrhythm is.

 

 

 

Jazz is all about structure and talent, but is contentless. The same is true for Dream Theater and Meshuggah. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of counter-points and polyrhthms in metal. Too many bands focus on being overly technical but have nothing to say. Ie, the music is artistically vapid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand that the bands I suggested are perhaps quite difficult listens but they're the only metal bands i've ever liked with the rest of the music I like being jazz primarily.

 

If I was to recommend and easy to listen to metal band, it would have to be Death since they're a bit like morbid angel but solo a lot better, have slightly better tone (although their tone still sucks) and concentrate a lot more on groove instead of technicality

 

 

 

I've heard people recommend Death's Scream Bloody Gore, but they went commercial as hell towards the end of their life, needless to say their frontman converted to Christianity as he was dying. I get the feeling he was merely following a trend in creating a Death Metal band.

 

Solos and technical ability is often used poorly in metal, as means to stroke the performer's ego, much like Jazz, I find this to be artistically vapid. Less so for the earliest of metal bands when the idea was new and perhaps better constructed. Now metal bands are limited in thought so believe that having multiple soloes constitutes a masterpiece.

 

 

 

The real craftmanship in music lies in composition. Some bands rarely change their sound through out their career just are able to produce albums that are vastly different. I believe this is less noticeable in Death Metal and more so in Black Metal.

dream theater just bought the bodukan dvd loving it :lol:

For black metal, try 1349 and Ragnarok.

 

 

 

There's no way you'll find Ragnarok on Limewire, maybe soulseek, but drop me an IM if you want

 

 

 

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