Eating meat - right or wrong?

[Faux]

I'm a vegetarian.. for no real reason. I have been for 17 and a half years - ever since I've been off breast milk. I honestly don't have a clue why I am a vege, but I can't bring myself to eat meat - it's like a mental barrier :x.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am also quite an ambitious footballer, so diet is an important issue for me. I like the challenge of getting a fully nutritious diet from vegetarian foods, although my dad is always going on at me to eat more protein #-o (He put me on muscle-building protein supplements for a few months - yuck! ).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I see abbatoirs on the TV etc, all the workers say if the general population saw how the livestock is slaughtered, most people would not eat meat from there. Looks gruesome! :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I have a strange phobia of milk.. :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've seen goats, chickens and pigs get slaughtered before. They were yum yum after they were cooked.

[assassin_696]

 

^^ But doesn't dairy just kind of defeat the purpose of being a vegetarian anyway?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forget, which animal do I need to kill to get milk again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Woha how do you get your milk? :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno, don't vegetable... I mean vegetarians eat dairy?

[The Dark Lord]

In the Bible....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um... I don't eat a whole lot of meat, but I'm not like a vegetarian or whatever...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see what's wrong with eating meat as animals are...just animals. We have superiority over them, and we are the hunters, and they are the prey. It's how life works. There are the hunters, and there are the hunted.

[Echofish]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't see what's wrong with eating meat as animals are...just animals. We have superiority over them, and we are the hunters, and they are the prey. It's how life works. There are the hunters, and there are the hunted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're planning a mutiny. They possess knowledge that is too complex to comprehend. They will fight for superiority and soon we will be the hunted, we will be the prey!!! :uhh:

[rocketman089]

 

I forget, which animal do I need to kill to get milk again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Woha how do you get your milk? :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno, don't vegetable... I mean vegetarians eat dairy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it's just a vegan thing then :-#

[Jaziek]

 

 

 

For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hooray Maddox. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just to clear this up, the eggs we eat are unfertilized. That means that no matter how long you let it sit around, it will not ever grow into a chicken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone remembers from the topic I started a few weeks ago, I love meat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. You mutilate your meat with fire beyond recognition. It doesn't count as meat... it's just a hunk of oxidized cells.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, meat needs to be juicy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, I could go for a red steak right now... =P~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oooh.. yeah.... rare steak... the way the french do them... dripping with blood.... all chewy and nice...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need steak!!!

[Astralinre]

 

 

For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hooray Maddox. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just to clear this up, the eggs we eat are unfertilized. That means that no matter how long you let it sit around, it will not ever grow into a chicken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone remembers from the topic I started a few weeks ago, I love meat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. You mutilate your meat with fire beyond recognition. It doesn't count as meat... it's just a hunk of oxidized cells.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This from someone who practically eats live cows.

[warri0r45]

I also think it's wrong to kill animals just for the sake of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... that dosent make sense. Its not 'just for the sake of it', its so we can live. I personally believe there is nothing wrong with eating meat. Its an essential part of most peoples diets.

[assassin_696]

This from someone who practically eats live cows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cooking wastes precious eating time, bring 'em to me raw baby! :D

[Astralinre]

Cooking wastes precious eating time, bring 'em to me raw baby! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why you make someone else cook it while you're eating appetizers. :P

[tripsis]

I don't think eating meat is right or wrong. Personally, I would love to be a vegetarian. But for me, I think I've gone too far to become one. After experiencing cheeseburgers and making salami sandwiches a daily part of my diet, I really don't think I could ever turn back. Sure, I could try. But I doubt a single day would go by where I didn't think about eating meat again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I usually get far more emotional when I hear about people eating certain kinds of meat. For example, I could never eat a baby lamb, or a dolphin, or things of that nature. But I don't even hesitate when I eat the more common forms of meat - pig or cow.

[supermonk]

 

This from someone who practically eats live cows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cooking wastes precious eating time, bring 'em to me raw baby! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun dying from salmonela (Definately spelled wrong)

[rocketman089]

Have fun dying from salmonela (Definately spelled wrong)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That'd be pretty awesome considering salmonella only comes from eggs and poultry.

[supermonk]

 

Have fun dying from salmonela (Definately spelled wrong)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That'd be pretty awesome considering salmonella only comes from eggs and poultry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O rly?!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it came from any type of raw meat.

[remoteman]

I dunno how u could live without meat, i have it at any chance i can. If your a vegitarian it's fine by me though, your choice, but i stillthink ure crazy :lol: Peope who are Vegan's are just absolutly nuts though, thats when people don't eat anything related to animals at all.

[jjrox32]

 

 

Have fun dying from salmonela (Definately spelled wrong)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That'd be pretty awesome considering salmonella only comes from eggs and poultry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O rly?!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it came from any type of raw meat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Woah, when you posted that, your post count was 666 :o

[insane]

 

 

Have fun dying from salmonela (Definately spelled wrong)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That'd be pretty awesome considering salmonella only comes from eggs and poultry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

O rly?!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it came from any type of raw meat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The type of salmonella usually associated with infections in humans is called Non-Typhoidal Salmonella. It is usually contracted by ingesting raw or undercooked eggs, or from animals such as:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Chickens and cows, if the meat is prepared incorrectly or becomes infected with the bacteria somehow.

[rocketman089]

Salmonella enterica serovar Enteritidis is a facultative anaerobe Gram negative rod-shaped bacterium linked to raw or undercooked eggs and poultry, and one of many causative agents of food poisoning. Symptoms of salmonellosis include fever, abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, weakness, and loss of appetite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I looked up a different type of salmonella? :?

[Notorious_Ice]

I eat meat, and I don't have a problem with people who don't agree with eating meat, but I can't stand people preaching about it, talking about how morally wrong eating meat is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PETA stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Let's ignore for a moment that their name implies there exists a universal set of ethics, and instead let's focus on the meat of this email: PETA is "primarily concerned with preventing the suffering of living animals." Oh really? As opposed to preventing the suffering of dead animals? Good thing they clarified because I was confused and couldn't infer that when they said "animals" they didn't mean dead animals. Glad we have that cleared up, let's move on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what exactly constitutes as "prevention" of animal suffering? The moral vegetarians (not the ones who do it for religious or health reasons) love to chant "we're trying to limit the suffering." What the hell does that mean? If you eat wheat or soy, you're not limiting anything. Unless you plant, grow and pick your own crops, you're not doing everything you can to "limit" the suffering. You know deep down that you could help limit a whole lot more suffering, but you've chosen not to. You've chosen not to because your lifestyle is too convenient, and you'd have to give up too much, but nevermind that--you have a conscience to feel good about, and you can't let a little thing like millions of violent deaths of field animals get in the way of your moral trip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Limit the suffering? That's like me saying I'm going to eat meat only 364 out of 365 days of the year in an effort to "limit" the suffering, I'm doing my part to prevent suffering. "BUT YOU COULD LIMIT A LOT MORE SUFFERING BY NOT EATING MEAT AT ALL!!!1" Exactly, and vegetarians could limit a lot more suffering by planting their own crops, but where do you draw the line? You claim to have compassion for animals, but just as soon as it gets too inconvenient you decide to call it quits? Cowards. You're no better off; not in my book. A murderer who kills 10 people is no better off than a murderer who kills 20 if the murder is avoidable. Of course, from the perspective of a suggestible young vegetarian I'm sure being responsible for half as many murders as the next guy means you're off the hook, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I keep getting email from moral vegetarians saying "HEY, WE FEED MORE GRAIN TO ANIMALS AND IF YOU EAT THE ANIMALS YOU ARE KILLING TWICE AS MUCH." No ****? The only difference is that I'm not protesting at street corners about other peoples' diets--I'm not the one with a mission to prevent "the suffering of living animals." This email I received, and many like it is the whole reason I wrote the article in the first place. My opinions are kept to myself on my personal web page. I don't remember asking anyone to read a damn thing on my website. When you open up your inbox, you don't find it full of my opinions, and if you do I didn't send them to you. I'm not standing on the street corners protesting, I'm not putting fliers on your car and I'm not putting ads on TV and in magazines. I'm not shoving my agenda down your throat, don't shove your agenda down mine. All you dumb*** activists need to get bent already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fun with facts: vegetarians love to boast outrageous figures like "it takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef and only 20 gallons to produce one pound of wheat." I've heard figures ranging from 2,000 to 5,000, and vegetarians will be damned if they include a source so we'll take the mean (that means "average") and go with 3,500. The average person consumes 1.5 million gallons of water every year (it takes water to grow and produce the food you eat in addition to the water you drink, quit emailing me you morons). Why isn't PETA protesting overpopulation of humans on the street corners? Why isn't PETA passing out free condoms or throwing javelins in your crutch when you walk down the street if they really cared about water consumption? It's not like that water just suddenly disappears. The earth has had about the same amount of water for 2 billion years. So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What makes you think that animals suffer in slaughter houses anyway? I think it would rule to be raised for slaughter. Get all the free steroids you want, free meals and plenty of good company--hell, you have it made. Then when you're at the prime of your life, you get your head generously chopped off so you don't have to live through the suffering of old age. Not only that, but you can die with the satisfaction of knowing that somebody is going to enjoy eating a burger made out of you. What's more humane? Being slaughtered for meat or having to spend 8 hours a day, 40 hours per week in a cubicle for the rest of your life with ***holes who listen to bad music without headphones, then retiring and withering away with old age and cancer as your obnoxious kids grow up and treat you like ****? Slaughter please.

[das1330]

as i see it, right>wrong and tasty trumps all!

[terley]

did you know that beef pringles doesn't actually contain beef, but apparently the cheese and onion contains beef exctracts :o .. Madness!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I eat for flavour, lettuce tastes of leaves to me.

[Make7upu101]

I don't think eating meat is right or wrong. Personally, I would love to be a vegetarian. But for me, I think I've gone too far to become one. After experiencing cheeseburgers and making salami sandwiches a daily part of my diet, I really don't think I could ever turn back. Sure, I could try. But I doubt a single day would go by where I didn't think about eating meat again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I usually get far more emotional when I hear about people eating certain kinds of meat. For example, I could never eat a baby lamb, or a dolphin, or things of that nature. But I don't even hesitate when I eat the more common forms of meat - pig or cow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? If I ate meat, I would eat every type out there.

[Abyssalwhip]

Well i am HIGHLY against animal violence, fur and waisting animals nut i do eat meat. Why would we have the teeth for meat if we werent supposed to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

p.s any form of fur is f***ed up

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

though i would never eat veal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

veal is baby cows that are chained up for a long time and they can never move until there killed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also i would never eat any kind of baby animal like lamb...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

though i dont eat a lot of meat in general

[tripsis]

 

I don't think eating meat is right or wrong. Personally, I would love to be a vegetarian. But for me, I think I've gone too far to become one. After experiencing cheeseburgers and making salami sandwiches a daily part of my diet, I really don't think I could ever turn back. Sure, I could try. But I doubt a single day would go by where I didn't think about eating meat again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I usually get far more emotional when I hear about people eating certain kinds of meat. For example, I could never eat a baby lamb, or a dolphin, or things of that nature. But I don't even hesitate when I eat the more common forms of meat - pig or cow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? If I ate meat, I would eat every type out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking about. Why can't I eat baby lambs or dolphins? If that's so, here's why:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's sort of difficult, to explain really, but I'll do my best. I'm an animal person. I've been around certain animals a lot (i.e. swam with dolphins). I just couldn't imagine eating the same animal that I happily interacted with. To me it would seem like eating my friend. But things like cow and pig meat are so common, most people eat them before realizing what they're eating (i.e. eating bacon as a little kid). I've grown up eating those meats. In addition, I rarely come into any kind of contact with those types of animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's just a mental thing really..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I also agree with what Abyssalwhip said about veal. I could never eat animals that were basically tortured and/or abused.

[WutangFlu]

as long as your not an extremist PETA person, i salute you :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

me + meat =

 

 

 

i dont each so much beef just because i hate the taste of it, unless it has tons of seasoning on it..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I prefer chicken, and even then i dont eat alot of it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i usually eat beef/chicken ect with pasta + cheese so it works out :)