March 28, 200719 yr My view: Starting the war was a stupid thing, but now that it's going and retreat is not an option, yet, we should just finish up (in as much as this is possible), spending as much is necessary to a) get things stable and B) get the hell out. Then don't interfere anymore. Sorry USA, you failed at globocopping here, don't worry, you'll get another chance. Better to swallow your pride and realize your mistake. Oh, and the bleeding heart, liberal extremists need to shut the hell up. Though they're right that the war is not the greatest thing, they make it worse with all the political correctness and cutting military budgets and "let's retreat right now, f--- what happens after we're gone" thinking. Like I said, the war was stupid, but now we've gone and started it we gotta finish it, so quite whining, liberals. (although extreme conservatives could do with a dose of shutup too.)
March 28, 200719 yr this soldier is exactly right!!! And all those who think starting this war was stupid, you must have forgotten or were to young to remember 9/11. I remember it so clearly and this war is for all those killed in 9/11 Thanks to the amazing talent of Jopie211 for the sig!Finest Fist of Guthix Strategy Guide
March 29, 200719 yr Author this soldier is exactly right!!! And all those who think starting this war was stupid, you must have forgotten or were to young to remember 9/11. I remember it so clearly and this war is for all those killed in 9/11 =D> amen, 9/11 wont be forgotten. Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
March 29, 200719 yr this soldier is exactly right!!! And all those who think starting this war was stupid, you must have forgotten or were to young to remember 9/11. I remember it so clearly and this war is for all those killed in 9/11 There is no ,nor has there ever been, a link between Iraq & 9/11. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC)
April 12, 200719 yr Author Now they have a video playing 24/7 over here on all the popular channels where a 4yo girl is singing about wanting to be the next "martyr", and blow herself up, like her mother did.....sick. Don't make them out to be valiant, they are just religious sickos who will kill their own kids in name of their cause. They aren't all just "religious sickos." To make the war seem just by dehumanizing the enemy into "sickos" is tempting, but such rationalizations won't actually bring about justice. First of all, most Iraqis don't fall into the group of people who do consider martyrdom to be an ideal to strive for. However, in the groups of Iraqis that do think so, it must be understood where that feeling is coming from (even if, upon analyzing it, we still find it personally revolting, as I do). They think of themselves as being in the midst of a defensive war. Other people came and wreaked havoc and destroyed their way of life (even the same majority who are glad that Saddam is gone, often say they would take him back if it meant they could be rid of their current American oppressors!) and now they are trying to restore some order to their lives, through the means of temporary disorder to achieve a greater end. As in all war (not that this justifies it, but at least makes it understandable - an important distinction), atrocities occur for the "greater good". I'm not saying they're valiant; I'm saying they're human. I'm saying that the US army going in and "getting the terrorists" from each of the different groups - Sunni, shiite, kurds - won't actually change anything or improve the situation, because as we kill more people and the situation gets more "dire," more "terrorists" will rise up to take their place, because terrorists are not all that significantly different from the general population (and this is true of terrorists in many various cultures, i.e. in Palestine or in Ireland just as much, according to research done in social psychology and in sociology). If we want to actually make a difference in Iraq, we need to reexamine what we're doign and take a totally different strategy. totally agree with you. just wondering, did you actually read the thread? Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
April 13, 200719 yr I am tired of Democrats saying they are patriotic and then insulting my commander in chief and the way he goes about his job. Just this one i have a real issue with. By his standards, one shows patriotism by supporting everything someone does, and by not criticizing it at all, this however leads to tyranny and other messy issues. A president 100% supported by everybody will not have to reveiw his/her agenda or anything, there's nobody keeping on the lookout, its the watchdog principal of the party out of power...this guy seems to dislike that...i don't know, that just seems more unpatriotic than anything, saying that people shouldn't check others in office. Click for mah Blog!- I'm not sure why you would though because i never update it Achieved 99 Thieving 3/10/07-992nd to it
April 13, 200719 yr this soldier is exactly right!!! And all those who think starting this war was stupid, you must have forgotten or were to young to remember 9/11. I remember it so clearly and this war is for all those killed in 9/11 There is no ,nor has there ever been, a link between Iraq & 9/11. There has been no obvious link, there is a possiblilty there was one but it cant be proven, so its best to assume it doesnt exist. Iraq had very little to do with 9/11, it was more over an assumed amassing of weapons that didn't happen or wasn't proven. Some people are like slinkies, normally they are dull, but they always give you a smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.
May 19, 200719 yr Author I am tired of Democrats saying they are patriotic and then insulting my commander in chief and the way he goes about his job. Just this one i have a real issue with. By his standards, one shows patriotism by supporting everything someone does, and by not criticizing it at all, this however leads to tyranny and other messy issues. A president 100% supported by everybody will not have to reveiw his/her agenda or anything, there's nobody keeping on the lookout, its the watchdog principal of the party out of power...this guy seems to dislike that...i don't know, that just seems more unpatriotic than anything, saying that people shouldn't check others in office. wow, never really thought about it like that. :-k Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
May 19, 200719 yr At least the average Iraqi is less likely to die in a horribly violent fashion now that Saddam is gone... oh wait. #-o I know the price. I pay it gladly.
May 19, 200719 yr Author At least the average Iraqi is less likely to die in a horribly violent fashion now that Saddam is gone... oh wait. #-o did you even bother to read the article? Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
May 19, 200719 yr this soldier is exactly right!!! And all those who think starting this war was stupid, you must have forgotten or were to young to remember 9/11. I remember it so clearly and this war is for all those killed in 9/11 There is no ,nor has there ever been, a link between Iraq & 9/11. There has been no obvious link, there is a possiblilty there was one but it cant be proven, so its best to assume it doesnt exist. Iraq had very little to do with 9/11, it was more over an assumed amassing of weapons that didn't happen or wasn't proven.then neither of you two know why we went to iraq. let me spell it out for you: 911: and attack by terrorists Middle east: a place where a lot of the terrorists are, and where they are being lead Iraq: one of those countries Troops in Iraq: a war front against terrorism We never went there for any weapons, it was just a dumb excuse to send troops there, the real reason is because of terrorism. There's no other link between 911 and Iraq, than terrorism. Lastfm
May 19, 200719 yr Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
May 19, 200719 yr Author Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. there was no FOUND link before. but now al quieda is being sent there so there IS a link now. Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
May 19, 200719 yr Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America.really starting a good debate there eh? Lastfm
May 19, 200719 yr Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. there was no FOUND link before. but now al quieda is being sent there so there IS a link now. Therefore it wasn't a reason to enter Iraq because that reason has formed later on. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
May 20, 200719 yr Author Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. there was no FOUND link before. but now al quieda is being sent there so there IS a link now. Therefore it wasn't a reason to enter Iraq because that reason has formed later on. i never said we shoould have gone, im just stating the present situation. Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
May 20, 200719 yr then neither of you two know why we went to iraq. let me spell it out for you: 911: and attack by terrorists Middle east: a place where a lot of the terrorists are, and where they are being lead Iraq: one of those countries Troops in Iraq: a war front against terrorism We never went there for any weapons, it was just a dumb excuse to send troops there, the real reason is because of terrorism. There's no other link between 911 and Iraq, than terrorism. Saddam was a secular leader, his government was completely against the type of Islamic fundamentalists that were responsible for Sept. 11. There has and will never be a link between Sept. 11 and Iraq/Saddam just like there were no WMDs. I know the price. I pay it gladly.
May 20, 200719 yr There is NO LINK between 9/11 and Iraq. George Bush himself has said this in interviews. Everyone knows this. WMD's was just out excuse to go occupy a country. And please, stop calling it a war. It's an occupation. We're not fighting a countries army forces, we are fighting its citizens. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
May 21, 200719 yr There is NO LINK between 9/11 and Iraq. George Bush himself has said this in interviews. Everyone knows this. WMD's was just out excuse to go occupy a country. And please, stop calling it a war. It's an occupation. We're not fighting a countries army forces, we are fighting its citizens. We found everything it takes to build the bomb, but the bomb itself, maybe we should have just waited until they finished the job and launched it at our allies or us before we responded. Then the world would have said "but you had evidence and intel that they were building them and you didnt stop it from happening?" we can't win, danged if we do, danged if we don't. Having just came from the streets of Bahgdad, spending 8 months in country walking streets, kicking in doors, chasing bad guys.......it IS a war, don't belive the media hype led by the bleeding heart, spineless liberals. If we were fighting the country, it would have been done in 40 days, just like the last country over here who thought they would bring their "million man army" against us. peeking under each turban and trying to identify who the bad guys are is a bit harder. Current policy requires us to walk around, wait to be fired upon, so we can identify who the enemy is. Try doing that for a year....builds character. ....our excuse to occupy a country? you need to wake up and smell reality. If we wanted to occupy it, we could and would. We wouldnt be walking around waiting to be shot at, while we train their soldiers, and try to help them develop a working government, build schools and establish order. Occupiers take over, and raise their flag in it's place. If it was aboout oil, as some other weak minded insist, we would have bombed the city, and set up a gas pump, hasnt happened either. wake up. Senior Chief Petty Officer, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Team, Iraq. RS name: lord krohn Combat 138slayer specific: 103 whips, 38 dark bows and 250+ dragon boots dropped to date.Dragon drops: 5 Half shields, 21 drag legs, 8 dragon skirts, and 9 drag meds dropped to date.
May 21, 200719 yr Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. there was no FOUND link before. but now al quieda is being sent there so there IS a link now. Therefore it wasn't a reason to enter Iraq because that reason has formed later on. i never said we shoould have gone, im just stating the present situation. I wasn't refering to your post, but to Malo, who said that terrorism was the reason for the war in Iraq. Also, as much as I think America is attempting to re-build Iraq, there is a element of fighting for oil as well. In this day and age you don't walk into a country and blow it up to get the oil, there is such thing as political subtly. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
May 21, 200719 yr If it was for oil, political subtley would be tedious if you're given an oppurtunity to just take it by force (using 9/11, Madrd, etc. as an excuse). Gamertag: King Arizona
May 21, 200719 yr There not reasons to take oil from a country that has very little to do with those attacks. Thats weak reason to invade the country at best. You can't take things by force anymore, can you imagine if America today decided to bomb the hell out of the oil regions and set up business? The world would be in uproar and would have extreme economic and political reparations for America. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
May 21, 200719 yr Whoa, hold yer horses there. I was never saying that takeing the oil by force was the reason the administration went it, I was just entertaining the idea and being the devil's advocate (singe you brought up the possiblity). Of course taking oil wouldn't have anythng to do with those attacks, it is just an excuse. A means to an end. Gamertag: King Arizona
May 22, 200719 yr Author Theres no link between Iraq and 9/11 or any terrorism that has involved America. there was no FOUND link before. but now al quieda is being sent there so there IS a link now. Therefore it wasn't a reason to enter Iraq because that reason has formed later on. i never said we shoould have gone, im just stating the present situation. I wasn't refering to your post, but to Malo, who said that terrorism was the reason for the war in Iraq. Also, as much as I think America is attempting to re-build Iraq, there is a element of fighting for oil as well. In this day and age you don't walk into a country and blow it up to get the oil, there is such thing as political subtly. of course there is an oil element! why wouldnt there be? this is america, we are built on money and oil=money! as much as i hate to say it yes, oil was a factor. Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
May 22, 200719 yr Your comments on education are just stupid. You don't need to go to school to learn, aye? Who do you think pays for homeschool programs? The government! It's part of the education fund, which can't afford new books. Ironically, we can afford $80,000 bombs to drop on Mosques, however. WOW Now i am really really pissed off at your pathetic stupidity... God I could not manage to cuss you out enough... Jessh i am seriously TO'ed Homeschoolers pay for 99% of their education... its all the parents [wagon] I was homschooled till I turned 17 at which time i started dual enrollment Maybe before you use homschoolers as an example you should actually check your facts instead of watching a media that is either biased one way or the other... You are a pathetic dirt[bleep]... Get a life New sigzor^^
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