The Economy: Current Rares

[toadalmighty]

i bought a santa when they were rising next week they drop 1m :( its getting annoying plus jagex have increased d chain, warspear and all dagganoth drops(i think) so armour prolly wonmt stay tyhere for long

[Wachtwoord]

The pursuit of rares leads to a lot of the negative behavior in the game, due to players trying to raise ridiculous amounts of money for items. Scamming, luring, obsessive playing, market manipulation, cheating, verbal abuse, bullying -- it is not all related to rares, but a lot of it is.

 

 

 

Any time you create a system involving social strata of "haves" and "have nots", what you get is problems.

 

 

 

~q

 

I think you're forgetting one of the most important points of rares: they compensate for the huge inflation. Why aren't all prices increasing hugely? Right, because all extra cash in the game is pumped into rares. (But this is decreasing though, because of 3 reasons: Construction, skill capes and barrows.)

 

 

 

 

 

[hide=Loads of quotes about the drop rate of 3rd age]

 

Because, a mod or Andrew, I don't remember who, but someone important, stated that the odds of getting a 3rd age item (any item of 3rd age, including the less expensive ranged and mage) from a clue was the same as getting a d shield haft out of a skeletton(or full I dont remember). Now, the odds of that happening is 1 out of 10 000.

 

 

 

So each time you do a lvl 3 clue, you have a 1 out of 10 000 chance of getting a 3rd age item.

 

 

 

 

I'd like to correct that, there are 12 different 3a items(4 per set, 3 sets). So the chances that you get a piece are 12 on 10000 or 1 on 833 clues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No you don't understand. The odds of getting a d shield from a skeleton are of 1 out of 10 000, not 12 out of 10 000. Each time you make a clue, you have 1 out of 10 000 chance of getting one 3rd age item.

 

 

 

I'm no expert on the subject. If you want to check it out, there's a official forum topic about this, with lots of discussing, but overall, there seems to be a consensus that the 1 out of 10 000 is correct.

 

 

 

Yes but there are 12 different items, all with a 1 on 10000 chance, so if you spread them you end up at 833,333333333 clues.

 

 

 

Another example:

 

 

 

Take dagganoth rex

 

Special drops :

 

Dragon Axe: 1 on 75 chance

 

Warrior Ring: 1 on 75 chance

 

Berserker Ring: 1 on 75 chance

 

 

 

Now let's say you kill 75, you have a berserker ring, warrior ring and an axe(assuming your drops follow the dropstats). Thats 3 special drops(even though the drops are different) on 75 chances, or 3 on 75, or 1 on 25 chance for a special drop.

 

 

 

If you would assume you only get 1 item on 10000 clues, that would mean a 120000 clues to get the 3 sets, however, what the mod said, every item drops within 10000 clues. If anyone is still reading this, tell me what you think[/hide]

 

I think no one here knows the answer to that. The only said the change is 1:10K. Not if that counts for each individual piece of armour, or for all the items together, but I tend to the last one.

[Solidus_77]

The pursuit of rares leads to a lot of the negative behavior in the game, due to players trying to raise ridiculous amounts of money for items. Scamming, luring, obsessive playing, market manipulation, cheating, verbal abuse, bullying -- it is not all related to rares, but a lot of it is.

 

 

 

Any time you create a system involving social strata of "haves" and "have nots", what you get is problems.

 

 

 

~q

 

 

 

Those go for anyone who is greedy, with or without rares. Don't blame rares for making people greedy, it's human nature. Your simple bias against rares also implies that you deny their immense value. The race for #1 doesn't depend on rares, and that's what you're basically annoyed at. Also, your simple bias against rares also implies that you deny their immense value.

 

 

 

Rares cause verbal aggression? No that's immature idiots who do that. Bullying is done a lot more via skills (like, omg noob I've got better skills than you)

 

 

 

Goals lead to competition and runescape is based on goals and achievements so you're basically criticizing rares for what makes runescape the game it is.

 

 

 

I think you're forgetting one of the most important points of rares: they compensate for the huge inflation. Why aren't all prices increasing hugely? Right, because all extra cash in the game is pumped into rares. (But this is decreasing though, because of 3 reasons: Construction, skill capes and barrows.)

 

 

 

"pumped into rares"? that's probably the worst description of "savings" I've ever heard. Compliments for getting it right none the less.

[lavaownz]

thanks for the information, maybe I should consider sellign guthans...

 

 

 

anyway, you have pretty good insight about whats going on but I herd that fury prices dropped, so is that now over?

[Freesia]

thanks for the information, maybe I should consider sellign guthans...

 

 

 

anyway, you have pretty good insight about whats going on but I herd that fury prices dropped, so is that now over?

 

I don't think so, furies are still hovering around 3.8-4m range.

[Duke_Freedom]

an accurate observation, except that merchants don't inflate prices, those are price manipulators. The reason prices of discontinued items rise is not because of merchants. Merchants merely use the price range to their advantage, they offer a service and just because they sell for more than they buy doesn't mean that this inflates the prices at all.

 

 

 

Just a small point, but price manipulators don't permanently increase prices either. Only increased real demand can. You may say that prices of rares rise due to investors if you keep in mind that investors are not necessarily merchants.

 

 

 

If they are being used for staking, there's no reason why they will only increase in price later. If they are used for staking, then the demand will already have increased.

 

 

 

I agree with Solidus here and I also remain negative / neutral on 3rd age armour prices. I just don't see why they would be going up. That said, is anyone so kind to give me a rough price overview of all 3rd age armour these days? :P

 

 

 

which rare will rise? disk of returning.

 

 

 

they are very undervalued i think and should be up close to half wines

 

 

 

Disks are far from being just as rare as half wines.

 

 

 

The pursuit of rares leads to a lot of the negative behavior in the game due to players trying to raise ridiculous amounts of money for items. Scamming, luring, obsessive playing, market manipulation, cheating, verbal abuse, bullying -- it is not all related to rares, but a lot of it is.

 

 

 

Having an economy in a game in the first place leads to all these issues - rares have absolutely and completely nothing to do with it. It's rampant in all MMO games.

 

 

 

I suppose it is somewhat worrying that so many people are so positive for the price fluctuation of rares during the comming summer, knowing that rares have been sideways / downwards the past 8 months... That said I remain half positive on rares myself as well, although if the recent history is going to have a say, rares are not going to move up at all.

 

 

 

Finally an interesting thread here on tip.it after so long... :P

[Rebdragon]

Finally an interesting thread here on tip.it after so long... :P

 

Well, you are looking around in General P2P for threads you know :-w .

[superson]

I hope rares go up...

 

 

 

I bought a santa for 23.6m (might have overpayed a bit) in early December.

 

 

 

So far lost 3.6m in 6 months. And people said I'd make loads of money with it..

 

 

 

 

 

I'm determined not to sell until they're 25m, and when I do, I'm staying OUT of the rares market.

[gonpost]

I hope rares go up...

 

 

 

I bought a santa for 23.6m (might have overpayed a bit) in early December.

 

 

 

So far lost 3.6m in 6 months. And people said I'd make loads of money with it..

 

 

 

 

 

I'm determined not to sell until they're 25m, and when I do, I'm staying OUT of the rares market.

 

 

 

Hah, that's because you and every other person figured rares out by then. It was great before everyone and their mother started to buy rares as an investment...

 

 

 

Oh well, I made a cool 280 mil off of rares when very few knew back in the day, and now I'm completely out of the rares market.

[andufusthebronze]

Well, I won't be minding the rares market much during the summer, as I intend my one main plan for RS in the summer, and that is the Quest Cape

[gamblingfool]

Hopefully your "small" rares prediction will come true. :pray:

 

 

 

I think 3rd age will go down when more pieces come in, or stay around the same as less people go for it since they know the chances of getting one is basically zero.

 

 

 

Also I think since this will be the first summer with skillcapes, prices will still decline for rares, since people will go nuts to get those 99's.

[The_13th_Apostle]

If this year continues to follow the trends of last year, then rares will start going up a lot during the summer (which is why I just bought 2 santas : )

[Umega]

I won't get too excited, but looks like green masks and santas have had a bump in price, like +500K - 1m... :pray:

[no_way2go]

I recently bought a red mask for santa an 15.2M, that was 34.8M at that time. Bought my santa at 21.3 M in like january so for me to just break even, red masks need to raise to 36.5.

 

 

 

I think they'll hit 40M at christmas. Maybe even 45M

[TheWilch]

 

 

 

Also I think since this will be the first summer with skillcapes, prices will still decline for rares, since people will go nuts to get those 99's.

 

 

 

too good to be true

[Freesia]

Anyone noticed the rares market lately? Red mask seem to have rose in prices from the below 34m price last week, not very sure about other rares. At the time of this post, I'm seeing 3 "buying red mask" threads at the first page of RSOF

[highlanders]

 

Because, a mod or Andrew, I don't remember who, but someone important, stated that the odds of getting a 3rd age item (any item of 3rd age, including the less expensive ranged and mage) from a clue was the same as getting a d shield haft out of a skeletton(or full I dont remember). Now, the odds of that happening is 1 out of 10 000.

 

 

 

So each time you do a lvl 3 clue, you have a 1 out of 10 000 chance of getting a 3rd age item.

 

 

 

 

I'd like to correct that, there are 12 different 3a items(4 per set, 3 sets). So the chances that you get a piece are 12 on 10000 or 1 on 833 clues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No you don't understand. The odds of getting a d shield from a skeleton are of 1 out of 10 000, not 12 out of 10 000. Each time you make a clue, you have 1 out of 10 000 chance of getting one 3rd age item.

 

 

 

I'm no expert on the subject. If you want to check it out, there's a official forum topic about this, with lots of discussing, but overall, there seems to be a consensus that the 1 out of 10 000 is correct.

 

 

 

Yes but there are 12 different items, all with a 1 on 10000 chance, so if you spread them you end up at 833,333333333 clues.

 

 

 

Another example:

 

 

 

Take dagganoth rex

 

Special drops :

 

Dragon Axe: 1 on 75 chance

 

Warrior Ring: 1 on 75 chance

 

Berserker Ring: 1 on 75 chance

 

 

 

Now let's say you kill 75, you have a berserker ring, warrior ring and an axe(assuming your drops follow the dropstats). Thats 3 special drops(even though the drops are different) on 75 chances, or 3 on 75, or 1 on 25 chance for a special drop.

 

 

 

If you would assume you only get 1 item on 10000 clues, that would mean a 120000 clues to get the 3 sets, however, what the mod said, every item drops within 10000 clues. If anyone is still reading this, tell me what you think

 

 

 

It's not with me you want to argue, but with the experts on the above-stated thread. I believe its called the truth about 3rd age, or something of the sort. I see no point in continuing this discussion since the issue has already been debated on that particular thread.

[muffins4all]

I agree about third age.

 

 

 

I had third age mage top and bottom, I profited about 10m in 2-3 days.

 

 

 

Simply because people wanted it more.

 

 

 

The person that bought my top and bottom, wore nothing in the trade.

 

 

 

Then after the trade, put on their phat, and then had full mage.

 

 

 

So - people are willing to pay big prices because of the rarity of 3rd age. There is no set price as stated earlier in this thread.

 

 

 

edit: Also stated in this thread, there isn't really going to be a surge of 3rd age.

[Latinoking]

Rares always go up a little in the beginning of the summer but watch them drop during mid to end of the summer

[AirlessWig]

Rares always go up a little in the beginning of the summer but watch them drop during mid to end of the summer

 

 

 

But what is normal? The last year they have done the exact opposite of normal.

[Guest]

Last year it seemed like there was a HUGE rise in santas and masks.