PCing- Immoral?

[hohto]

1k per game adds up.

 

 

 

And anyway, whips and dark bows are almost worthless- who cares?

 

 

 

Why do you bother training slayer? Why do you waste your energy on something you don't care about? I play this game because it's fun and I only do things I like or that can help me to get me something I want. If I wasn't satisfied with my slayer xp, I would stay away from it and not cry about pc.

[Aquashock]

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I get 60-80K per hour with points fluctuated in by being in Heart Unit; one of if not the fastest PC groups in current RS' perspective. Compared to skills like cooking and fletching, this is below par for even the most baisic exp routes.

 

 

 

Fast exp? Yes. Blisteringly fast exp? No. I still have hundreds of hours to go for my nice red cape, and I'm sure some of you guys can contest to this fact.

 

 

 

60-80k an hour isn't blisteringly fast?! Did you ever play RSC? 15k an hour was blistering fast on RSC. I got all 100 combat on RSC at 10-15k xp an hour and 99 melee stats at the start of rs2 before barrows, ape atoll, slayer, whips, dragon scimmies, PC or any of that crap. I never got more than 30k an hour and you say 80k an hour isn't blistering fast?!

 

 

 

Same thing with range. I got 70 range on classic and 97 range at the start of rs2 with a bow and arrows.

 

 

 

Combat is supposed to be hard. Cooking was just as fast as it is now on classic. Combat should not be a 100k an hour skill and it is RIDICULOUS that you can get 99 range and 99 mage without firing a bow/casting a spell.

 

 

 

I despise PC. It was Jagex's biggest mistake by far and is the main reason I feel like quitting this game.

 

 

 

In terms of RSC to RS2, I completely agree with you. There's literally no counterargument to your post.

 

 

 

However, my post is in current day comparison. People NOW feel like slayer leveling to PC leveling is imbalanced, and I don't agree with that notion at all. In responce, there is no wya to compare how slow RSC leveling was to anything within RS2 to make it seem fair. I would know; I was there.

 

 

 

Well when I train slayer I get at the most 50k an hour. And that is constantly potting so that my att and str are 113-118 and with the maximum offencive bonuses and slayer mask.

 

 

 

PCers my level get double that xp. So I would say it's unbalanced.

 

 

 

You don't have to compare RSC to RS2 to see how insane PC/slayer are.

 

 

 

At the start of RS2 the maximum offencive stats you could get were +81 slash and +79 strength. That was with a slow dragon long. Now you can get +133 slash and 111 strength with the ultra fast whip. And if you do slayer you can get the 15% effects of the black mask and still have +128 slash.

 

 

 

Seems odd that when i train slayer i can break 70k exp an hour (certainly not at gargs, or high def monsters, but at bloodveld, dusties, ect)

 

 

 

Im assuming you have 99 att and str, with the insane boosts your talking about, why cant you break 50k xp an hour?

 

 

 

And pcers, even in a fast clan, cant break 100k xp an hour, its 95k tops, and thats MY top, with 99 str and 98 attack in a game a minute pc clan.

 

 

 

Do you get 70k an hour average over a few hours with several tasks? No, you get it on the best task of the day (e.g. nechs). PC can be played over and over again, no crap tasks, no switching in burthorpe. If you played for 5 hours that "mere" 95k would be 475k where as if you did 5 hours of slayer you would never get 350k.

 

You said the MOST you get is 50k an hour.

 

And id like to restate that, because at lvl 98 you get 176k xp per 100 points, bonus included, you can break 100k an hour, but thats my top without combat potting.

 

 

 

Anyway, i dont see why it should matter what way you get them, you earn them. If you want to stay in some area fighting the same monster for less exp, then you can. I dont see why you should quit a game which is ment for enjoyment because other people play a minigame.

 

 

 

I dont see why people think they are better than anyone else because they got their levels 'pre-pc'.

 

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People think they are better because they did more effort for it, a man who build his house alone will think it's a better achievement then someone who did it with 3 other people.

 

But, why should he hover over one of the three and announce it over and over again that he is better than him because he did it alone. When honestly, it would take him longer, being less efficient.

 

 

 

This argument is getting old, anyone who got any stat before an update uses it as a signature saying "im better than you because i got a stat up when it was hard to level"

[hardwick246]

This reminds me of the older people in real life where it's like:

 

 

 

Billy is playing a video game. Grampa says "Back in my day Billy, we didn't have video games or T.Vs. or these fancy things we call dishwashers."

 

 

 

I don't like the Pest Control mini-game and refuse to use it. Plus I want my Hitpoint levels. :notalk:

[Aquashock]

I get 60-80K per hour with points fluctuated in by being in Heart Unit; one of if not the fastest PC groups in current RS' perspective. Compared to skills like cooking and fletching, this is below par for even the most baisic exp routes.

 

 

 

Fast exp? Yes. Blisteringly fast exp? No. I still have hundreds of hours to go for my nice red cape, and I'm sure some of you guys can contest to this fact.

 

 

 

60-80k an hour isn't blisteringly fast?! Did you ever play RSC? 15k an hour was blistering fast on RSC. I got all 100 combat on RSC at 10-15k xp an hour and 99 melee stats at the start of rs2 before barrows, ape atoll, slayer, whips, dragon scimmies, PC or any of that crap. I never got more than 30k an hour and you say 80k an hour isn't blistering fast?!

 

 

 

Same thing with range. I got 70 range on classic and 97 range at the start of rs2 with a bow and arrows.

 

 

 

Combat is supposed to be hard. Cooking was just as fast as it is now on classic. Combat should not be a 100k an hour skill and it is RIDICULOUS that you can get 99 range and 99 mage without firing a bow/casting a spell.

 

 

 

I despise PC. It was Jagex's biggest mistake by far and is the main reason I feel like quitting this game.

 

 

 

In terms of RSC to RS2, I completely agree with you. There's literally no counterargument to your post.

 

 

 

However, my post is in current day comparison. People NOW feel like slayer leveling to PC leveling is imbalanced, and I don't agree with that notion at all. In responce, there is no wya to compare how slow RSC leveling was to anything within RS2 to make it seem fair. I would know; I was there.

 

 

 

Well when I train slayer I get at the most 50k an hour. And that is constantly potting so that my att and str are 113-118 and with the maximum offencive bonuses and slayer mask.

 

 

 

PCers my level get double that xp. So I would say it's unbalanced.

 

 

 

You don't have to compare RSC to RS2 to see how insane PC/slayer are.

 

 

 

At the start of RS2 the maximum offencive stats you could get were +81 slash and +79 strength. That was with a slow dragon long. Now you can get +133 slash and 111 strength with the ultra fast whip. And if you do slayer you can get the 15% effects of the black mask and still have +128 slash.

 

 

 

Seems odd that when i train slayer i can break 70k exp an hour (certainly not at gargs, or high def monsters, but at bloodveld, dusties, ect)

 

 

 

Im assuming you have 99 att and str, with the insane boosts your talking about, why cant you break 50k xp an hour?

 

 

 

And pcers, even in a fast clan, cant break 100k xp an hour, its 95k tops, and thats MY top, with 99 str and 98 attack in a game a minute pc clan.

 

 

 

Do you get 70k an hour average over a few hours with several tasks? No, you get it on the best task of the day (e.g. nechs). PC can be played over and over again, no crap tasks, no switching in burthorpe. If you played for 5 hours that "mere" 95k would be 475k where as if you did 5 hours of slayer you would never get 350k.

 

You said the MOST you get is 50k an hour.

 

And id like to restate that, because at lvl 98 you get 176k xp per 100 points, bonus included, you can break 100k an hour, but thats my top without combat potting.

 

 

 

Anyway, i dont see why it should matter what way you get them, you earn them. If you want to stay in some area fighting the same monster for less exp, then you can. I dont see why you should quit a game which is ment for enjoyment because other people play a minigame.

 

 

 

I dont see why people think they are better than anyone else because they got their levels 'pre-pc'.

 

 

 

I thought it was obvious I meant an average. PC is consistent xp an hour so why compare the best task when slayer is so uneven? I didn't think someone would miss the point as badly as you did. :?

 

 

 

Once again you've totally missed the point. I didn't have the choice to "If you want to stay in some area fighting the same monster for less exp, then you can" because pest control WASN'T out.

 

 

 

I can't be bothered to argue with someone who can't understand basic points. I'm not going to bother posting again. I have better things to be getting on with.

 

 

 

So you insult me, being dyslecsic, then you leave. Way to set an example oh master of combat, seeing as you are far better than anyone with your stats. I honestly hope people like you quit. We have all heard this argument hundreds of times. PC isnt going to change, and even if it does, there will be other updates that give more experience, that let you hit higher, and hit more than you did in classic.

 

 

 

So i honestly hope you have better things to do, go live in the past.

[Kevin_]

Pest Control is just the RS2 hype from 3 years ago again. Everyone was calling eachother RS2 products. People who think they're better because they got it before pest control aren't better, they're living in the past, what's in the past is in the past, what's now is now and what will come, will eventually come.

[hellhound212]

alot of people fight about the exp per hour and i find it useless i got to combat 77 with pc soon as i hit 40 it took me what like 3 days so over all pc should be lowerd in the exp

[BBC3]

lol?

 

 

 

lilyuffie got max combat in rsc, that is 10 times harder than rs2 without pc.

 

 

 

i guess everyone who even trains combat in rs2 it makes them an arrogant person who shows off because they are high in combat?

 

 

 

every skill will be updated, and already has.

 

 

 

mining is probably the least updated skill of all time.

 

 

 

every updated skill has complainers, magic gets updated rangers cry, rangers get updated magers cry.

 

 

 

melee made easier, people who want the game to stay forever, complain.

 

 

 

dont worry, when they make rs3, keep your account on rs2, then regret it afterwards because the game will never be updated, same situation on rs1.

[Infernalz]

well to me, its about the drops and over all thrill of the kills.

 

 

 

if you train on monsters, you get a chance to get all the great drops they drop. the bones for extra pray exp, and the thrill of never knowing if you will get hit high, and die.

 

 

 

at pc, its completely oppisite. you can attk 1 monster, say a high lvl brawler, and get your pts and your done, you can look on the forums or whatnot.

 

 

 

but, pc would be better for higher lvls. lower lvls would only need to kill say (just a round number, maby around the exp for a lvl) 1k. at higher lvls say 97-99ish, youd need to kill like 7-10k monsters to get you level. now if your high lvl you probably dont care about facing some black dragon or whatnot, but still, there IS a sence of death around the fire breath. again, pc is way safer- as to the death.

 

 

 

 

 

i would say pc, i dont like to die :P but with pc, you dont get anything to look forward to, acept the exp you get, and the gp you get for killing the portals. but hey, tons of people like the drops, and the excietment of getting a very rare item.

 

 

 

 

 

but hey thats just me :D

[hohto]

Pest Control is just the RS2 hype from 3 years ago again. Everyone was calling eachother RS2 products. People who think they're better because they got it before pest control aren't better, they're living in the past, what's in the past is in the past, what's now is now and what will come, will eventually come.

 

 

 

Exactly. It's just the people that try to boost their egos with comments like "I did it the harder way" and put others who are better/as good/just a bit worse than them. It's not away from us that in 2003 we worked whole day like animals to get as much xp as current players get in 1-2 hours.

 

 

 

If people want to live in past and do some things harder way, it's their choice. However people who want to get as much as possible during their gameplay do it in easier/faster way. So what if it includes buying skills or going to pc? It's not away from me if someone decides to burn 250m in farming and now get 99 farm before me or pc 10 weeks nonstop to pass me in att, def, str and hp xp.

 

 

 

Btw for all these anti-pc dudes. You're so mad that someone gets faster xp in pc than you get in "normal" way. However did you play in 2001, 2002 or 2003 when RS still was hard, took time and it seemed impossible to get 99 skill average with around 5-7 skills less? Do you consider that the current gameplay is immoral? Yes, it's different to the old days but it's not immoral: it's the all for everyone. You antipc dudes are able to get as much xp as everyone else in pc and it's your own fault if you don't want it.

[Aquashock]

Pest Control is just the RS2 hype from 3 years ago again. Everyone was calling eachother RS2 products. People who think they're better because they got it before pest control aren't better, they're living in the past, what's in the past is in the past, what's now is now and what will come, will eventually come.

 

 

 

Correct.

 

 

 

Comparing it to something in my life, its like the people on the other side of town looking down on me because of where I live. My family works just as hard as any other family, and when it doesnt make anyone better than us, or worse than us, as long as they EARN IT.

 

 

 

Putting yourself on a pedistal over everyone else because you earned a stat before them doesnt make you look good, it doesnt make you any better than anyone else. Putting yourself over others justifies you as a jerk.

 

 

 

And sabre, if you read this, your sig is wrong, you got your maxed melee when people cared, not when it mattered.

[x_bow80]

If you go to the achievements forum and post a lvl and say you used PC, I guarantee you that at least one person will say something like "PC nub", "noob PCer", "get ur lvls the real way". Things like that.

 

 

 

Me, i dont care if people use PC or not, because i use it some times too. If i use it i wont care if i get called a "PC noob". And PC will charge over time, but pures will use it for ever.

[N3t_Frm]

I haven't gotten more then 10 PC points simply because I hate it. I don't like that people can go and get cheap xp while the few, honorable people train on npc after monotonous npc. Why do they get the easy way out?

 

Maby they get the easy way out because they are hard workers and they enjoy it :roll: Your only discluding yourself,other people don't not let you play. Would you rather be bored and have good Xp or have fun and get bad xp? i personnally like pc(Except the fact that so many low lvls play it :XD: )

[Made0f12une]

People who have gotten 99 attack before PC came out simply treat players with 99 capes as if they just snapped their fingers and got it. Most of you, hopefully, know that pest control requires many months of contant portal slaying to get to significant levels. And, it's not fun. At all.

 

 

 

 

I thought that all these rants about PC makes xp "easy" meant instant levels. I found PC to be one of THEE worst and THEE most boring thing I've ever done. I'd rather stand around and afk at Magic Axe Hut then PC anyday. I'm sorry but doing the same thing over and over and over again for a month straight (or months straight even) to be HIGHLY boring

[katakid1]

pcing was given to us by jagex and we can use it... it is not against the rules like luring so I honestly don't see the debate.

 

 

 

you sacrifice your hp but you can pc that too so... I see no problem.

 

 

 

Personally I do not pc, but who knows? I may pc some time soon.

[Arambul]

PC isn't a bad thing at all. I don't see why people saying that PC being twice as fast is a bad thing.

 

 

 

I personally like hitting hard a lot but I can't when I'm stuck using a Dragon Scimmy training my strength with slayer. So I just train my strength at PC with Dharoks. Makes it so fast to get through. Then I train my attack through slayer.

[Panic_Pants]

I haven't gotten more then 10 PC points simply because I hate it. I don't like that people can go and get cheap xp while the few, honorable people train on npc after monotonous npc. Why do they get the easy way out?

 

 

 

 

 

I think we're throwing around the word 'honor' here. There is nothing dishonorable about using PC, it's a legal addition to the game; like using a gym compared to push ups and sit ups only. This is kind of like the so-called 'honor' in PVP, 'stay there and let me kill you.' Essentially, in Runescape, honor seems to mean "play the game as boring and weighted against you as possible." This isn't life, it's a game, meant to be fun, not boring as hell. It mgiht be and easier means to use PC, but it's not some cheap easy way out that's not fair. If you want to prove yourself, go ahead, but you're more hardcore than Honorable (or just stupid :mrgreen: ).

[TexasMd]

I haven't gotten more then 10 PC points simply because I hate it. I don't like that people can go and get cheap xp while the few, honorable people train on npc after monotonous npc. Why do they get the easy way out?

 

Instead of complaining about how "they" get the easy way out, why not just join them? then NO ONE gets the easy way out cause EVERYONE is getting the same xp per hour...

[Macmaster92]

Do you honestly care if people think you got your levels at Pc of just normal training. In fact why care what anyone thinks. If you want to achieve something just do it and do it the way you want, you can then give your self a pat on the back for the hard work YOU did. Not the hard work that other people think you did.

[aj926]

People who have gotten 99 attack before PC came out simply treat players with 99 capes as if they just snapped their fingers and got it. Most of you, hopefully, know that pest control requires many months of contant portal slaying to get to significant levels. And, it's not fun. At all.

 

 

 

 

I thought that all these rants about PC makes xp "easy" meant instant levels. I found PC to be one of THEE worst and THEE most boring thing I've ever done. I'd rather stand around and afk at Magic Axe Hut then PC anyday. I'm sorry but doing the same thing over and over and over again for a month straight (or months straight even) to be HIGHLY boring

 

 

 

Thank you. There are many more fun things to do that offer marginally lower exp, or even higher (the thing I'm doing now \ ). You can't complain about pc unless you sit attacking portals for freakin ever.

[ikraz66]

So, many of us have heard the arguments from long standing players that pest control is overall a cheap way to get lots of combat levels fast. Obviously, this is true. I've shot up 1M exp playing every other day for a few hours, and plan on getting 99 attack through there.

 

 

 

I see their point. If i had gotten 999 attack training on a hellhound with a dragon long for 40-50k an hour, I'd be amazingly mad that jagex would put something out that had as much exp given within the few weeks, and continues to do so currently. It's not exactly unfair to long time players, but it undermines the 99 skill for them, I'm sure. however, the rate of exp was tremendously slow before then, and if you compare combat skills to others (fletching, expensive crafting, cooking), it seems like the exp rates are half as fast as cooking sharks on a fire. Well, nevermind, it IS twice as slow, if not more, than cooking big fish in rouge's den.

 

 

 

So was it really that big of an increase? I get 60-80K per hour with points fluctuated in by being in Heart Unit; one of if not the fastest PC groups in current RS' perspective. Compared to skills like cooking and fletching, this is below par for even the most baisic exp routes.

 

 

 

Fast exp? Yes. Blisteringly fast exp? No. I still have hundreds of hours to go for my nice red cape, and I'm sure some of you guys can contest to this fact. People who have gotten 99 attack before PC came out simply treat players with 99 capes as if they just snapped their fingers and got it. Most of you, hopefully, know that pest control requires many months of contant portal slaying to get to significant levels. And, it's not fun. At all.

 

 

 

Shouldn't organized groups like Heart Unit get the best exp anyways? it encourages clan growth, and isn't that what people have been screaming for under the suggestion board for years?

 

 

 

Or maybe I'm crazy.

 

 

 

Discuss.

 

 

 

-GC

This thread belongs in the debate club forum.

 

 

 

Anyway, I see no reason to pc for experience. If you think it's boring, then FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T DO IT. Just remember, it's a game, always do the most fun option. This is why I train most of my combat on slayer or when hunting for drops or doing minigames. The only reason I use pest control is because I have a strange desire to get full Void Knight armor set and I like the seed rewards :-w.

 

 

 

Full void knight costs 1000 pc points, which could get me over 1.2 mil exp in attack, if I spent it on that. Stupid goals and things like that are the reason I'm still addicted to runescape after 2 years! #-o

[Doughnut]

People are always complaining about PC this and PC that. Well guess what? I'll do whatever the hell I want because taking twice the time at some stupid monster. So you players enjoy the half a year it takes to get a skill cape honorably, I will get it in 2 months instead.

[desipardesi]

I have never used PC as I was not a member when it was released and now that I rejoined, I have a few other skills to work on besides combat. However, I do not see why the way someone trains should be a big issue. Even before PC, there have been rangers training with the cannon getting very fast xp or magers using charge to gain even faster xp. Having a faster training option gives the kids a better chance of using up a little less of their lifetime clicking their way to glory in an online game.

 

 

 

I can see how seeing everyone and their neighbour having a maxed combat can matter to someone who thinks combat is everything in the game but it just happens to be another skill and if you can raise it in a manner that you can tolerate, go ahead and do so but there is no need to cry about how it is now easier to train some skill. The way I see it, easier to train skills are what makes the game more appealing to the transient players of the game. If every skill required tremendous amounts of patience, there would be hardly anyone interested in the game. Just look at the number of players online today to the number that used to play 3 years ago.

 

 

 

Personally, I enjoy the game at lower levels as it means that I can play with some goals and look forward to it rather than get it it two days. After getting 99 in a skill, it seems a letdown to not be able to achieve any higher level in the skill I like. I would rather have a level 80 in a skill where I have the option of training it at my pace and seeing gradual improvement in the rewards. Fast levelling is like using cheat codes to get the max stats but that doesnt make it bad... it just means that you dont particularly enjoy the way to raise it normally and so it is justified to use whatever means is necessary to achieve a target. Its just a game in the end.

[Blingkachi50]

thats why I have a quest cape. No way to cheat that :)

 

 

 

*cough*quest guides *cough*

 

 

 

I dont mind pc but i never use it exept for that last 100k xp to a lvl when i want it fast. The reason i never use it is because your losing hp xp and slayer is just a better and more fun way in my oppinion. During slayer your constantly moving and your killing 2 birds with one stone.

[Powman3]

You think PC is cheap xp? Guys, you don't know the half of it. I have to play a long time to get a lvl I want. It takes forever to get the certain points. it takes forever to find a good world unless you're in a good clan.

 

Guys, it's not easy.

[Celt23]

Love it or hate it, it's a part of the game and anyone has every right to use it.