Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[depresins]

Yey, that totally stopped the debate :)

 

 

 

TBH I was too tired to process the wall of intelligent text, especially when you more or less clarify the thoughts i had in my head. Anything I posted would've simply been a plus one

[Shinjula]

Aw, sweet, thanks :)

[1230abcz]

To this I reply with a poem of sorts. Of sorts that arn't really poems, but calling them so makes them seem more poetic, in a sense. I hope that made sense because to me it was like taking a really large dump. <-- Also, I'd like to point out, that made no sense either. You can thank me in song. I'd prefer it if you didn't though.

 

Many important issues lie unsolved in our flawless society the war in Iraq, the economic depression, the environmental disaster, and gay marriages. Why, in our utopian society, should an evil such as the joining of two men or two women be permissible? Why, as a race of people with equal rights for all, have we not extirpated the sin that is so infamously labeled Gay? Can we truly be safe in the United States of America while this issues burns ever so brightly in all of its importance? Forget issues like potential nuclear warfare (terrorists have feelings too) or the melting of ice bergs (polar bears need to find a new home anyway) until real problems like gay marriages are solved. If this atrocity is left to go on, well, as a race of humans, we cannot survive. If these Gays are left to reproduce, their nonexistent babies of doom will rule over us with their imaginary malice of destruction. If these things continue to grow in the depths of our society, their nefarious intentions will swallow us whole and swarms of gay babies will eat everything else that might have so unfortunately survived The Gay Gayocaust of Gays.

 

The history of gay people, more appropriately called homos, ranges back from when man and woman first came upon the once perfect earth. The mantle heaved, the trees uprooted, the dinosaurs went extinct, when gay people made their arrival onto our planet; even Pangaea, the God of Continents, reportedly exclaimed: Oh hellz to da no

and split up into innumerable pieces. Once the gays reproduced and spread their corrupted dogma amongst the straights, all homophobia broke loose. As straights evolved, so did the gays. Historians believe that all major catastrophes are, in part, caused by the homos. The Kennedy assassination, for example, came about when Robert E. Lee (a prominent general of the Civil War) found a very gay time machine that had been teleported off from some very gay island (as it had a fantabulous designer magazine and preposterous amounts of beach sand on it) into his Virginian home. One fateful day, Lee whimsically frolicked off towards a field of pretty pink flowers (a few unreliable reports say he might have power-walked instead) to a shooting range and decided to take the mysterious time machine (for which he did not know the uses of) along with him to brag to Lincoln and his senate buddies. Lincoln, reportedly a gay, shot at the time machine, which ostentatiously erupted into a rainbow of colors and peace signs and sent the bullet into the heart of Kennedys chest the trajectory of the bullet was later extrapolated to a lone building where a man had been sleeping to see his idol, the president, walk through the streets.

 

Alas, its truly a pity that an imperative cause such as this will be washed down to the bottom of our list of problems along with other issues like whether cats really do fall on all fours or if groundhogs actually do go out to see their shadows to determine if summer has arrived or not. Any non-gay person with any form of common sense would agree that gay marriages are a leech that continues to sap at the veins of freedom that our country holds so very dearly.

 

Do not worry though, good citizen, for I have a solution that will stop this menace and finally put at end to our miseries. My proposal is a straightforward one; hold all funding that is given out to develop cleaner fuels, work on internal improvements, and the war to help develop an antigayotic drug, which will be fatal to all possessing the homoeroticus gene. Until this goal is reached, absolutely everything must come to an abrupt halt, for can we really live on in constant fear of invisible babies and their fists of evil?

[The_Mather1]

I have nothing against homsexuality but I find gay guys creepy(and annoying considering I have two in my class, neither has admited it, both semi-obese half-wits who almost only talk to girls, one who cannot even speak clearly), lesbians on the other hand I don't have anything against, got (at least)one couple in my class and my cousin's one.

BTW: There's only 27 in my class.

[Randox]

I have two views.

 

On the one hand its incredibly unnatural in the sense that a homosexual species is doomed to extinction because it will fail to procreate. That said, it could be a population control mechanisim that becomes more common as the human population increases.

 

On the other, I doubt anyone would choose to be homosexual, and I don't belive in presecuting people for something they cant control when it really has no impact on other people (other than the fact most gay guys I have met have been complete [wagon] whom every guy hates, and are frustratingly popular with girls).

 

Being strait, its pretty easy to say the normal orientation urge is pretty damn strong. It would take a load of willpower to turn that feeling on another guy (talking about guys here, girls seem to be more open to this naturaly). Not only do you have to try and feel that way about a guy, but you need to suppres the urges towards girls. First, I don't think any sane strait guy would actualy do that. Not worth the effort. Second, I dont think any guy actualy could do that for years and years.

 

 

I consider it to be a mamlfuntion in the body. Something at our near birth where something gets really messsed up. That said, I don't hold it against people. At the end of the day its less competition for me, and while most gay guys are [wagon] whom strait guys tend to despise, I know some really nice guys who are gay, and are subtle about it (I know a couple who dont have the gay vocal inflection sound). I judge people on an individual basis, and that goes for everything. I am willing to give anyone a chance.

 

I guess, no, I don't think being gay is right. It defies the natural order of things, and I can't get passes that (right now). But does it matter? Hell no!

[Huta]

I guess, no, I don't think being gay is right. It defies the natural order of things, and I can't get passes that (right now). But does it matter? Hell no!

 

If your definition of right or wrong does not have any bearing on what "matters", how is it a definition of right or wrong?

[mlclm]

I guess, no, I don't think being gay is right. It defies the natural order of things, and I can't get passes that (right now). But does it matter? Hell no!

I'm assuming you'll never travel on an airplane, then. Or in a car. Since humans are obviously not intended to move that fast.

 

Also, if it's incredibly unnatural, explain homosexual animals.

[Sly_Wizard]

I go away and in my absence this thread reaches 120 pages. Amazing.

[Youmu]

Homosexuality isn't right or wrong.

 

Sure, it goes against the laws of nature, but there are people that have altered genetics from others. You can't change those people.

 

If you wanted to know, I'm straight. I have never seen or met any homosexuals, so I don't know at all how it feels to be one.

[Merre]

Wow, this is a topic for me.

FI'm straight, been living together with my lady for almost three years now.

But I see no problem with gay people. I don't believe it's a choice, I think it's in your genes and you are born being a homosexual man/woman.

To say something very daring: I even think people who feel a certain attraction to animals/underage children are also born like that.

I can't imagine people choosing to do a thing this wrong and disgusting. I do believe that once you break the law and take advantage of kids/animals you should be locked up and treated immediately. There's no excuse to have physical contacts without mutual permission.

 

That's the main thing that's important in this context: mutual permission.

 

How can we say someone is a bad person because he/she follows his/her feelings and love/lives together or has secual contacts with someone from the same sex?

I personally don't believe in a god and don't see the point of it. But I do show respect to people who believe.

What is so wrong then with the fact that someone else is gay as long as you don't do it.

You can't be a bad Christian imo if youdon't cross certain lines, but who are we to judge other people as long as they don't break a law or do things that don't harm us?

I'm a soldier and in the army it's not tolerated (socially) to be gay. If there are gay soldiers I guess they better don't "out" themselves.

Not that I care, but many others would. Being gay is still seen as being sick or being weak because you do something "unnatural".

I think not tolerating gay people is also racism and very, very wrong!

 

I also think religion should be based on respect & caring about others. The second you say homosexuality is wrong makes you a hypocrite.

"Thou shall not judge"? Should be one the sins too if you do!

 

AMEN

[Huta]

Wow, this is a topic for me.

FI'm straight, been living together with my lady for almost three years now.

But I see no problem with gay people. I don't believe it's a choice, I think it's in your genes and you are born being a homosexual man/woman.

To say something very daring: I even think people who feel a certain attraction to animals/underage children are also born like that.

 

actually, there's no proof that it has anything to do with genetics.

 

My guess is it's one of those extremely hard to change early life traits that people are born with, that develops almost automatically, but still includes some element of decision, along with every other part of our personalities. Born with a tendency towards a certain trait, but not pidgeonholed into it.

 

Because once you state homosexuality is 100% genetic, you disregard any chance for someone "born a certain way" to take advantage of their human adaptiveness. A serial killer? Born that way. Pedo? in his genes. Slurps his coffee? Just a born slob.

 

After all, serial killers start showing sociopathic tendencies early in life towards animals and in social relations, but boiled down, a serial killer is nothing more than an extreme version of a number of normal human traits - and while he may have had some genetic push that lead him that way, he still made some of the decisions on his own; there's a reason most serial killers share a lot of background similarities like a disfunctional relationship with their mother.

 

Not saying there's anything wrong with gays, I don't even see things in right or wrong terms, but saying they have no choice in the matter is just a copout.

[Lateralus]

Not saying there's anything wrong with gays, I don't even see things in right or wrong terms, but saying they have no choice in the matter is just a copout.

 

I think the point is that you can choose how you act, but it's very difficult to choose how you feel.

[mlclm]

actually, there's no proof that it has anything to do with genetics.

 

My guess is it's one of those extremely hard to change early life traits that people are born with, that develops almost automatically, but still includes some element of decision, along with every other part of our personalities. Born with a tendency towards a certain trait, but not pidgeonholed into it.

There's even less proof that it's a choice, though.

 

And based on your idea of what causes it, that we're born with a tendency towards it though there's still a choice, actually supports the idea that it's genetic. Take, for example, a child who loves chocolate. They do have the choice of eating only chocolate, however they aren't aware of the consequences of it. Saying it's their fault for eating tons of chocolate and getting an upset stomach wouldn't make sense because they didn't know any better. They knew what they liked and, although there's a choice in acknowledging it, it's instinct to pursue it.

 

Also, the idea that someone can't help being a pedophile makes a lot of sense. Pedophilia, in essence, is simply a sexual fetish; it's no different than a foot or leather fetish. I'm not condoning pedophilia, because acting on it is a choice, but simply having that fetish isn't.

[Zierro]

Not saying there's anything wrong with gays, I don't even see things in right or wrong terms, but saying they have no choice in the matter is just a copout.

 

I think of orientation the same way as I think of taste. You can't force yourself to enjoy a food that repulses your tongue. If you did, that would just make you delusional.

 

You do raise a good point though. I also dislike when people try to blame someone's actions solely on their genetics. But I just don't see how you can control what "turns you on". Without trying to be too graphic, it is an involuntary bodily function we're talking about here. Murdering someone is a voluntary action. And I suppose acting on your homosexuality is voluntary too, but being gay is a different story.

[aspeeder]

You could get HIV/AIDS if you... you know. Two guys :-X :ohnoes:

I know the thread has moved past this post, but I feel the need to educate you on GRID, or Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. That was the proposed name of the disease now known as AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Back in 1982 when this disease was surfacing in the US many scientists assumed that because the disease appeared largely in homosexuals that it only affected them. This name has since been discarded, the findings have been proven false, and thus I can say that your knowledge on the relationship between AIDS and the gay community is more than two decades out of date. I also find it strange that you feel the need to create a thread on homosexual relations and whether they are "right" or "wrong", yet you cannot bring yourself to say "If two men had sex." Lastly, in response to your thread as a whole I hope you know that "good" and "evil" are subjective, not objective.

[warri0r45]

Not saying there's anything wrong with gays, I don't even see things in right or wrong terms, but saying they have no choice in the matter is just a copout.

 

I think of orientation the same way as I think of taste. You can't force yourself to enjoy a food that repulses your tongue. If you did, that would just make you delusional.

 

You do raise a good point though. I also dislike when people try to blame someone's actions solely on their genetics. But I just don't see how you can control what "turns you on". Without trying to be too graphic, it is an involuntary bodily function we're talking about here. Murdering someone is a voluntary action. And I suppose acting on your homosexuality is voluntary too, but being gay is a different story.

 

Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

 

The absurd proposition of the choice argument is that it would suggest I can just click my fingers and be attracted to men. Any heterosexual guy will know thats not true.

[Tim]

You could get HIV/AIDS if you... you know. Two guys :-X :ohnoes:

I know the thread has moved past this post, but I feel the need to educate you on GRID, or Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. That was the proposed name of the disease now known as AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Back in 1982 when this disease was surfacing in the US many scientists assumed that because the disease appeared largely in homosexuals that it only affected them. This name has since been discarded, the findings have been proven false, and thus I can say that your knowledge on the relationship between AIDS and the gay community is more than two decades out of date. I also find it strange that you feel the need to create a thread on homosexual relations and whether they are "right" or "wrong", yet you cannot bring yourself to say "If two men had sex." Lastly, in response to your thread as a whole I hope you know that "good" and "evil" are subjective, not objective.

 

Now if only I can get that thru my mother's thick head that Homosexuals are NOT the cause of AIDS.

[Alg]

You could get HIV/AIDS if you... you know. Two guys :-X :ohnoes:

I know the thread has moved past this post, but I feel the need to educate you on GRID, or Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. That was the proposed name of the disease now known as AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Back in 1982 when this disease was surfacing in the US many scientists assumed that because the disease appeared largely in homosexuals that it only affected them. This name has since been discarded, the findings have been proven false, and thus I can say that your knowledge on the relationship between AIDS and the gay community is more than two decades out of date. I also find it strange that you feel the need to create a thread on homosexual relations and whether they are "right" or "wrong", yet you cannot bring yourself to say "If two men had sex." Lastly, in response to your thread as a whole I hope you know that "good" and "evil" are subjective, not objective.

 

Now if only I can get that thru my mother's thick head that Homosexuals are NOT the cause of AIDS.

If they were how would heterosexuals get it...?

[Arcantica]

The only time I can ever see it being wrong is if it's not culturally accepted, which if you go back far enough, almost every culture at one time or another accepted it. The spread of modern day religious beliefs within the past 2000 years really put a cloud over our parade.

 

But then again at one time, it was also wrong for women to vote, and colored people to be citizens here in America and so on, so it's just a matter of time before gay people have their equality and freedoms.

 

 

My family is pretty anti-gay due to religious beliefs, even though our culture traditionally accepts it. But what they don't know won't hurt them :grin: I'm happy to be the way I am and wouldn't ever change because someone else believes my lifestyle is wrong.

[Tim]

You could get HIV/AIDS if you... you know. Two guys :-X :ohnoes:

I know the thread has moved past this post, but I feel the need to educate you on GRID, or Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. That was the proposed name of the disease now known as AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Back in 1982 when this disease was surfacing in the US many scientists assumed that because the disease appeared largely in homosexuals that it only affected them. This name has since been discarded, the findings have been proven false, and thus I can say that your knowledge on the relationship between AIDS and the gay community is more than two decades out of date. I also find it strange that you feel the need to create a thread on homosexual relations and whether they are "right" or "wrong", yet you cannot bring yourself to say "If two men had sex." Lastly, in response to your thread as a whole I hope you know that "good" and "evil" are subjective, not objective.

 

Now if only I can get that thru my mother's thick head that Homosexuals are NOT the cause of AIDS.

If they were how would heterosexuals get it...?

EXACTLY!

[20Rice04]

Tbh I doubt God (that is if you belive in one(s)) is going to get to upset with two (or more...) people of them same sexing having sexual relations. Omnipotent beings tend to see things in a more revealing way than us humans :D s'why they're omnipotent and we aint.

 

Intolerance of gays is unacceptable, they're just people, if you think otherwise then you're 200 years late :) The only reaosn religion is against homosexuality is because it creates turbulance. It's like common knowledge that all gays are [bleep]y, so if you got like, gay priests they'd go about being [bleep]y about one and other and then they'd all fall out and then like z0mg their religions would fall apart because Father Danny said that Father James had been giving Father MacDuff the Evils. But get this right? Father James had been checking Father MacDuff out- or so he claims- apparently... his first two things he looks for in a man are neat hair and tidy shoes, so that involved him looking father MacDuff up and down. But when he claimed this it only like totally pissed of Father Jack cause Father Jack had totally been hitting on father MacDuff for like years now and it's like bang out of Father James to butt in like that. So Father Danny was like z0mg whatever, later hun and now they've all fallen out an refue to go give mass.

 

See what I means!!

 

also @ above two posts- err bisexuals could pass it on. Two guys have a one night stand, one gives the other one HIV. Next night the bisexual goes and has another one night stand with a woman, she's given HIV. It's harldy rocket science :P

[svs]

I think homosexuals can use their own head to make out whats wrong and right

Not worthy a debate

Enough said

 

Dont make me start about religions

[Alg]

also @ above two posts- err bisexuals could pass it on. Two guys have a one night stand, one gives the other one HIV. Next night the bisexual goes and has another one night stand with a woman, she's given HIV. It's harldy rocket science :P

But if you believe that it only comes from homosexual sex, then it would not come from heterosexual sex.

 

I'd still assume religions are against it either for scapegoating purposes or from some translator with an agenda though. Probably both.

[Superkowz]

Wrong because I am a Lutheran Christian.

[Skull]

I Honestly don't think this is a right or wrong kind of thing. It just is and even if a god were suddenly to show up and say "Hey guys, being gay is wrong.", gay people would still be gay.