This is a pretty sensitive issue. Of course religious people will say no, and even others will say no. Of course, you can't really know how homosexuality feels unless you are actually gay (no I'm not saying I'm gay rofl). Why can we judge whether people can have a relationship or not? We are treating them as lesser people, when in fact they are as human as everyone else. They are different, but we are ALL different. Black people were treated wrongly because they were different, and the same is happening here. Honestly, religion is so backwards I can't even begin to flame it enough.

 

 

 

It isn't just religion, but it is a main cause of discrimination against gays. Some people do go, "I'm gay, look at me omg im teh pwnage". They aren't gay NATURALLY, they are either posing as been gay or decided over the course of there life they'd decide to "experiment" if you want to use that term. Those born gay, however, are heavily affected. Those born gay are the ones who suffer the greatest. And it is wrong.

 

 

 

I can't wait to hear your counter-arguments ;) this should be a lot of fun.

What I meant by "So not all gays are out-of-the-norm-attention-seekers", is to prove the point that homosexuals are like everyday human beings and should not be excluded in any rights.

 

 

 

Come now, even I'm not that low. :lol:

This is a pretty sensitive issue. Of course religious people will say no, and even others will say no. Of course, you can't really know how homosexuality feels unless you are actually gay (no I'm not saying I'm gay rofl). Why can we judge whether people can have a relationship or not? We are treating them as lesser people, when in fact they are as human as everyone else. They are different, but we are ALL different. Black people were treated wrongly because they were different, and the same is happening here. Honestly, religion is so backwards I can't even begin to flame it enough.

 

 

 

It isn't just religion, but it is a main cause of discrimination against gays. Some people do go, "I'm gay, look at me omg im teh pwnage". They aren't gay NATURALLY, they are either posing as been gay or decided over the course of there life they'd decide to "experiment" if you want to use that term. Those born gay, however, are heavily affected. Those born gay are the ones who suffer the greatest. And it is wrong.

 

 

 

I can't wait to hear your counter-arguments ;) this should be a lot of fun.

 

 

 

Hey this isn't a counter argument, more of an agreement actually :

 

 

 

The ones that decide to experiment, if they're doing it for themselves to see whats going on, I can live with that (still not gonna join in, but... I can deal). But like I said before, it's the ones that do it purely for attention that just piss me off, and give everyone else a bad name.

 

 

 

"OMFG LOOK AT ME I'M BI CHECK ME OUT WOO I'M AWESOME AND UB3R P0WN4G3!!!!1!!!" <-Those people need to be hit by the infamous ban boots or kick stick of the BSC chat. Ban them from talking in real life :D

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

This is a pretty sensitive issue. Of course religious people will say no, and even others will say no. Of course, you can't really know how homosexuality feels unless you are actually gay (no I'm not saying I'm gay rofl). Why can we judge whether people can have a relationship or not? We are treating them as lesser people, when in fact they are as human as everyone else. They are different, but we are ALL different. Black people were treated wrongly because they were different, and the same is happening here. Honestly, religion is so backwards I can't even begin to flame it enough.

 

 

 

It isn't just religion, but it is a main cause of discrimination against gays. Some people do go, "I'm gay, look at me omg im teh pwnage". They aren't gay NATURALLY, they are either posing as been gay or decided over the course of there life they'd decide to "experiment" if you want to use that term. Those born gay, however, are heavily affected. Those born gay are the ones who suffer the greatest. And it is wrong.

 

 

 

I can't wait to hear your counter-arguments ;) this should be a lot of fun.

 

 

 

Hey this isn't a counter argument, more of an agreement actually :

 

 

 

The ones that decide to experiment, if they're doing it for themselves to see whats going on, I can live with that (still not gonna join in, but... I can deal). But like I said before, it's the ones that do it purely for attention that just piss me off, and give everyone else a bad name.

 

 

 

"OMFG LOOK AT ME I'M BI CHECK ME OUT WOO I'M AWESOME AND UB3R P0WN4G3!!!!1!!!" <-Those people need to be hit by the infamous ban boots or kick stick of the BSC chat. Ban them from talking in real life :D

 

 

 

:lol: if that were possible I'd do it. Too bad life isn't a forum though :? and if it was, I'd neve make it as a moderator :P

 

 

 

it's the attention-seekers that cause a lot of grief, and I wish they'd stop. But its a free world, and they are free to do what they want in it. Sadly :(

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

 

 

 

Oh I know and that's what I personally would like to see stop. Certain religious stuff should stay that way in my opinion... but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Eh well...

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

 

 

 

Oh I know and that's what I personally would like to see stop. Certain religious stuff should stay that way in my opinion... but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Eh well...

 

Don't some churches get government funding? If I'm wrong, please ignore the following:

 

 

 

Those that do receive funding HAVE to marry homosexuals. No ifs, ands, or buts. Those that don't should be considered private and not be forced what to do.

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

 

 

 

Oh I know and that's what I personally would like to see stop. Certain religious stuff should stay that way in my opinion... but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Eh well...

 

Don't some churches get government funding? If I'm wrong, please ignore the following:

 

 

 

Those that do receive funding HAVE to marry homosexuals. No ifs, ands, or buts. Those that don't should be considered private and not be forced what to do.

 

 

 

Some may, I don't know for sure (but my gut tells me no since theres no way the gov. could fund all of them, and it would lead to having to fund Synagogues and other things to be fair ).

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

 

 

 

Oh I know and that's what I personally would like to see stop. Certain religious stuff should stay that way in my opinion... but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Eh well...

 

Don't some churches get government funding? If I'm wrong, please ignore the following:

 

 

 

Those that do receive funding HAVE to marry homosexuals. No ifs, ands, or buts. Those that don't should be considered private and not be forced what to do.

 

I think they;re exempt from taxes.

 

I think they;re exempt from taxes.

 

 

 

They're exempt from taxes, yes.

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I think the definition of marriage is slowly shifting away from it's religious roots to have a more secular meaning. Of course the more conservative among us hate this, but I do believe it's happening.

 

 

 

Oh I know and that's what I personally would like to see stop. Certain religious stuff should stay that way in my opinion... but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Eh well...

 

Don't some churches get government funding? If I'm wrong, please ignore the following:

 

 

 

Those that do receive funding HAVE to marry homosexuals. No ifs, ands, or buts. Those that don't should be considered private and not be forced what to do.

 

Because of the separation of church and state I don't think the government can fund churches. However, churches are exempt from taxes.

 

 

 

Personally, I don't care. If someone is homosexual, it's fine with me. If someone isn't, fine with me. Homosexuals are just as human as everyone else, who cares if they aren't into the same gender as most others?

I have some Gay friends, and by no means do i look at them different because they are gay.

 

They are people, and they shouldn't be treated different because they are gay. It's just stupid.

Ahh, okay so churches don't have to pay taxes, not are funded by them...

 

 

 

Either way, if they don't pay taxes they can't be private...they MUST marry homosexuals.

Ahh, okay so churches don't have to pay taxes, not are funded by them...

 

 

 

Either way, if they don't pay taxes they can't be private...they MUST marry homosexuals.

 

Rightfully, yes. However, they cannot be forced to go against the ideals of their religion, either. Unfortunately, homosexuality is seen (by them) as being wrong, so they CAN refuse.

Ahh, okay so churches don't have to pay taxes, not are funded by them...

 

 

 

Either way, if they don't pay taxes they can't be private...they MUST marry homosexuals.

 

Rightfully, yes. However, they cannot be forced to go against the ideals of their religion, either. Unfortunately, homosexuality is seen (by them) as being wrong, so they CAN refuse.

 

Then pay up taxes.

That isn't part of the agreement, I'm afraid. They retain their beliefs and pay no taxes. It's too bad I can't make the same deal.

The churches have always been a political force. They just use the word discrimination as a excuse to keep doing it while staying tax free.

It's even worse when there's even a state religion in your country, and the government actually funds that church with tax money, whether you like it or not.

Until they make it so my religion of Nickism is government recognized, it's not fair for some to get tax breaks.

Well being an E.C. Christian (Google for a full description, don't bloody PM me) it's against my religion, and therefore a sin. However I don't hate homosexuality, I'm not gonna join in, but I won't spite people for it. It's just one of those things that really isn't a choice, if you are you are, and you shouldn't fake it.

 

It's arguments like this that really confuse me. If you don't think it's wrong (you even accept the idea that it's natural), then why do you say it is? There's no point in following a religion if you don't believe it.

 

Now for the marriage/civil union thing, marriage is a RELIGIOUS term and civil union is the LEGAL one. Don't mix them, homosexual people should be allowed a civil union, not a marriage, since homosexuality goes against most sections of Christianity/Judaism/Islam/etc.

 

Unfortunately, marriage is just as legal as it is religious. If it wasn't legal, heterosexual couples would require a civil union, too. In my opinion, marrige should be separate from the gov't; it should become simply a ceremony for religious people, but not have legal benefits. It should be similar to baptism; parents can have it done or not, but it doesn't legally impact the child in any way.

To be blunt, I feel it's morally wrong, But i'm a hypocrite because I like lesbian porn.

 

 

 

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To be blunt, I feel it's morally wrong, But i'm a hypocrite because I like lesbian porn.

 

 

 

:runs:

Who doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if the pope does as well..

To be blunt, I feel it's morally wrong, But i'm a hypocrite because I like lesbian porn.

 

 

 

:runs:

Who doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if the pope does as well..

 

 

 

Me. I used to, but now it's just boring. :lol:

 

 

 

To Das: If you feel it is morally wrong, who would the victims be?

Hmm, I hate to just jump into this thread but whatever.

 

 

 

My views are homosexuality are if 2 people love each other, no matter what race or gender they should be able to be together. I feel like society is taking a step back, there always seems like there is a certain group of people that is hated, the new trend or 'fad'. I have absolutely no problem with gay's or lesbians. I see there are a LOT of straight guys here lol, how can you all say you love Lesbians and still see homosexuality as wrong, I mean that seems a bit hypocritical. Maybe it's because where I've grown up I've never seen, or at least experienced, any hatred towards gay's (aside from the occasional gay joke). Even at my high school, there were quite a lot of openly gay people there even a few teachers as well. So I might be a bit biased about this subject but idk.

 

 

 

Anywho- I just see it as love that's basically it. Also, I don't see it as a "choice" did someone choose to be straight? Or better yet, all you straight guys- Have you ever tried to be with a guy?... then how do you know you don't like it then?

I wish I was homosexual, would make things easier. I live in California and am trying to get a job at Starbucks. Sadly, I'm a raging heterosexual and I couldn't change if I wanted to. But it's my belief that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Homosexuality is A-OK but hating someone because of their sexual orientation is vain, because you could be doing good things for the world instead of hating everyone in it. It's selfish.