Perfection

[dtbrehm]

that wasn't really the point of the thread? i was supposed to be about philosophy, not just quoting a dictionary... #-o

[Rebdragon]

The initial statement is disproven by the fact that I exist.

 

If I had a nickel for every time someone used that line, well, at least I'd have enough money to cover medical costs for stitches.

 

 

 

:wall: :wall: :wall:

[IGoddessI]

Bubs and Paperclips already hit the nail on the head.

[Bubsa]

Bubs and Paperclips already hit the nail on the head.

 

Aw cheers! ^-^

[kelem_ryu]

You should know, there is no such thing as perfection.

 

A circle never is always smooth.

 

 

 

The idea of a circle however is perfect.

[flying_death_bombs55]

It is 100% impossible for ANYTHING to be "perfect".

[Sumpta]

Bubs and Paperclips already hit the nail on the head.

 

 

 

Yup, Plato's Cave of shadows. Perfection is a concept. We can visualise and think a perfect circle, but we can never draw it. Nothing new, really.

[Necromagus]

I tried to give my theory for the existence of perfect darkness on the first page... won't you even look at it... please...? :uhh:

[____]

I tried to give my theory for the existence of perfect darkness on the first page... won't you even look at it... please...? :uhh:

I had it quoted to reply to, but then couldn't really think of something to say in regards to it.

[Zonorhc]

Well, you're not perfectly modest :-w

 

 

 

Well, I clearly didn't say I was beyond perfect, so that sort of invalidates your statement. =p

[tomdavies90]

Of course noone can be perfect, otherwise everyone in the world would love them, boys and girls, they'd be the smartest person ever, have the best job ever. It's inplausible. All that matters is that some people think you're perfect and there the ones you take advantage of...ur i mean fall in love with...yeah the second thing

[kelem_ryu]

Actually, I think perfect darkness might be possible in real life within certain definitions:

 

- Light as the presence of photon particles.

 

- Darkness as the absence of light, making perfect darkness the complete absence of light.

 

 

 

Now, if it were technologically possible to remove all photons from a container made from a material that can't be penetrated by photons and then seal that container, wouldn't the inside of that container be perfect darkness? Considering the way quantum physicists can juggle particles, I think that the former might be technologically possible, and there are plenty of materials that block all photons.

 

 

 

You can't crete a perfect vacuum, you can't create perfectly pure materials, you can't reach absolut zero temperature. You can get pretty damn close to that and the better the technique, the closer you can get. So i guess the same would be true for your idea. I even think you can't create a completely impenetrable material. It just would absorb/reflect close to all photons (in that case).

 

 

 

Maybe you could create a really small container, where you would remove all photons from one by one. Mh.. no.

 

 

 

 

 

Guess only ideas can be perfect.

[Zonorhc]

Going by that definition, then the space between photons is perfect darkness.

[junkiejeff]

You should know, there is no such thing as perfection.

 

A circle never is always smooth.

 

 

 

The idea of a circle however is perfect.

 

 

 

maybe the idea is.

 

But if you draw one, and even if you do it on a "supercomputer" it always will have pixels and ofcourse it won't be 100% perfect if you draw it.

 

Remember perfection is total perfection. No errors.

 

Try to imagine it.

 

 

 

And the borg is not perfect.

 

It's allot better then mankind though =P~

 

But a borg still can die to a weapon it's unknown to.

 

Why did actually nobody try to nuke one? :lol:

 

 

 

And I think a place/world/universe without good and evil is better then evil.

 

Although I like to be evil :twisted:

[assassin_696]

Actually, I think perfect darkness might be possible in real life within certain definitions:

 

- Light as the presence of photon particles.

 

- Darkness as the absence of light, making perfect darkness the complete absence of light.

 

 

 

Now, if it were technologically possible to remove all photons from a container made from a material that can't be penetrated by photons and then seal that container, wouldn't the inside of that container be perfect darkness? Considering the way quantum physicists can juggle particles, I think that the former might be technologically possible, and there are plenty of materials that block all photons.

 

 

 

I think that there will always be quantum mechanical vacuum fluctuations in any region of space, so you can never entirely remove all the energy from any region of space, or something.

 

 

 

I don't think perfection exists in real life, but if you're interested in the philosophy of perfection, I believe Plato discussed it a lot with his theory of transcendent idea.

 

 

 

For example, consider a cave with a fire in it. You're chained so that you can only face the back wall. And then a whole host of various animals are paraded past the front of the cave so that you can only see their shadows dancing on the back wall. That's what Plato thought this reality was like, all horses out there are imperfect copies of some kind of "perfect" horse, that transcends reality.

 

 

 

It's all a load of jiggery pokery and speculation to be honest, but mathematics is perhaps the only human discipline which transcends reality and is "perfect", since it doesn't really "exist" in the conventional sense of the term (i.e. takes a physical form).

[dtbrehm]

For example, consider a cave with a fire in it. You're chained so that you can only face the back wall. And then a whole host of various animals are paraded past the front of the cave so that you can only see their shadows dancing on the back wall. That's what Plato thought this reality was like, all horses out there are imperfect copies of some kind of "perfect" horse, that transcends reality.

 

 

 

"The Allegory of the Cave"?

[Will H]

True perfection is not something rational or numerical like achieving the number 10. It is an infinity, which is a concept, not a number. It is not actually real, but some things can be closer to perfection than others.

 

 

 

Mankind does not strive for perfection. It strives to become closer to perfection. That is mankind's purpose, to try to achieve the impossible.

 

 

 

Makes us feel dumb, doesn't it?

[meol]

Bubs and Paperclips already hit the nail on the head.

 

 

 

Yup, Plato's Cave of shadows. Perfection is a concept. We can visualise and think a perfect circle, but we can never draw it. Nothing new, really.

...Guess only ideas can be perfect.

 

Would that mean that the human mind is able to be perfect, then, by being able to imagine perfect things?

[Nom]

Bubs and Paperclips already hit the nail on the head.

 

 

 

Yup, Plato's Cave of shadows. Perfection is a concept. We can visualise and think a perfect circle, but we can never draw it. Nothing new, really.

...Guess only ideas can be perfect.

 

Would that mean that the human mind is able to be perfect, then, by being able to imagine perfect things?

 

 

 

I wouldn't say so. We can think of the concept of a perfect circle, but since it in reality there is no such thing we can't imagine what it would be like, because we can't experience it. So when kelem said that ideas can be perfect, I would interpret that as concieving the idea of a perfect something, but not being able to visualize it. It's like trying to imagine a new color. Impossible, because our senses have not experienced it.

 

 

 

So I would disagree with what Goddess said, but agree with kelem_ryu.

[The Real ET]

I didn't read all the posts. so I don't know if this opinion has been presented already, but I do disagree with most people here.

 

 

 

I think that perfection is like beauty and is in the "eye of the beholder". That is to say that perfect is as you see it as. If my idea of a perfect day is to lay around, watching tv with a certain someone while eating a candy apple or two (always flossing and brushing afterwards); then when I do that, I've had a perfect day. There are those labeled "perfectionists" in the world, but they are merely more focused then others to reach their idea of perfection. So, in a way, I do agree with those who say that "only ideas are perfect", but in a way I disagree because an idea may only be perfect to you.

 

 

 

To sum it all up: Perfection is a perspective.

[dsk803]

'Perfect' is a theory - as in, the idea is there, but it cannot exist.

 

 

 

well actually it can exist in my belief because jesus was perfect but i dont wanna turn this into another religious topic so you can agree or disagree with me watever you choose

[Blingkachi50]

I am nobody.

 

 

 

+1 I am also nobody. (nobody is perfect)

[dwarfdude3]

A perfect man is flawed.

[Rebdragon]

A perfect man is flawed.

 

Merely because his observers are imperfect.

[warri0r45]

Expecting perfection from people is like expecting science to uncover absolute truth. It only gives you increasingly accurate approximations. Just like our attempts will only make us approximate perfection to a higher degree.