rule 11 - is it really beneficial to RuneScape?

[Chaos_Reborn]

If someone asks for quest help or others, and you refer to a fansite, you won't be punished as long as it's a well-known fansite such as tip.it

 

 

 

Otherwise all urls aren't allowed. And I do agree that the rules aren't clear enough...

 

 

 

Besides keeping players safe, I have a wild guess that a side benefit is that Jagex wants to keep people on Runescape and not lose them to other games. And since you cannot advertise another game, there it is.

[dang]

i personally find it a use but at the same ttime it serves no purpose.

 

for 1 all the autoers, its abvious there scamming but wat if their saying things like tip.it, runehq (which i never use), etc....more and more ppl would know there not scams.......so i find that it can have benifets to it

[Myweponsg00d]

There are a lot of idiots who think that RuneHQ, Tip.it, Zybez, are official sites that are affiliated with Jagex. (just like some idiots think that Official Xbox Magazine actually makes the games they talk about) The chance of this happening is probably even greater if they see people talk about the sites ingame. Jagex doesn't want this for many reasons, including liability and security.

[Italian5kamikaze]

The rules fine.

 

 

 

Jagex cant go through every site checking if its clean or a scam site

 

theres absolutely no reason why you have to say a site in game, if your trying to help someone out add them on an instant messenger or something.

Asking for an instant message name would also be against the rules and reportable.

 

 

 

How so?

 

 

 

If i say whats your aim screen name, im not advertising a site and its not personal considering you cant really do much more than chat with them which your already able to do and as for videos and pictures thats your own choice if you want to send and recieve thouse, but aim doesnt have any rules against that.

[Alex_Ewan_1]

we need rule 11 so that peopel won't give out websites taht download viruses to people's computers.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I personally don't agree with many viewpoints on this thread. The idea that a website unrelated to RS is any more safer to you and your computer than an RS-related site. Advertising sites like MySpace and Youtube is probbly more dangerous in the sense you can provide a real life picture of yourself. We have that rule on the Tip.It forums for a good reason, and I've seen a few people on BlogScape and the Gallery fall foul of it.

 

 

 

My solution would be to advocate the three main respected fansites (in order of popularity, RuneHQ, Zybez, and Tip.It). That way, players could have an alternative source of information, and go there in the knowledge they're not about to download any malicious software. Yes, it's favouritism, but surely it's more effective at protecting RS players than this rule?

[Randox]

It is interesting that tip.it used to be listed on the mainpage as a fansite, and know you cna be banned for tellign people about it. Its there to protect stupid or nieve people who don't understand the dangers of going to certain websites.

 

 

 

Personally I think it was better when Jagex actually listed the good fansites but sinc ethey dont do that, no ingame aadvertising is probably best.

[Nenga]

We can tell people about tipit. In game people always advertise runeHQ, sal's, etc. Just don't get caught :P. Nothing is illegal if you don't get caught : .

[headshot007111]

This may have been said before, but website scammers can still advertise their scam sites by avoiding or replacing .'s and com's. IMO, this rule is useless.

[R_I_O_T]

If someone asks for quest help or others, and you refer to a fansite, you won't be punished as long as it's a well-known fansite such as tip.it

 

 

 

Otherwise all urls aren't allowed. And I do agree that the rules aren't clear enough...

 

 

 

Besides keeping players safe, I have a wild guess that a side benefit is that Jagex wants to keep people on Runescape and not lose them to other games. And since you cannot advertise another game, there it is.

 

 

 

Maybe, and maybe not. 4 black marks for saying, "hold on a sec, im checking the price on zybez" and for anyone who doesn't know what zybez is, it has probably the biggest database of runescape items.

[Sy_Accursed]

The rule is totally fine.

 

 

 

Legitimate players can tell thier friends to check out any fan site they want.

 

 

 

Tip.it, Runehq etc are all site names and anyone who is capable of clicking to play rs is equally able to type these names into google to find the sites.

 

 

 

All it does is stop you saying http://www.tip.it

 

 

 

Since 90% of scam sites have stupid address like http://www.zynem.bu.uk/froid/dem.xl and don;t have legtimate names tht will come up on goggle it makes it virtually impossible to say these without punishment.

 

 

 

The only fansite thing that can cause issues is tip.it, I got a black mark for saying it once, but got it removed because I appealed pointing out i was saying a sites name and not directly giving the address or saying this is the address

[oropher]

I have had a 2-day mute and a blackmark for telling other people my clan site. The blackmark was removed after I sent in a complaint to JAGeX.

 

 

 

So yes, I think it is necessary to have this rule, especially for all the auto-talkers you see these days in f2p advertising sites that sell rs gold and items. Innocent people may get muted for a few days because of this rule, but it is necessary.

[hohto]

The rule does have a purpose. However, I will question the enforcement of it. If a player advertises a "clean" site, the most they should get (1st offense) is a 1-7 day mute.

 

 

 

This would cause a need to either check every site or to thread different sites in a different way. Imagine what kind of a riot it would cause if player X got banned for advertising TIF while his friend Y didn't for advertising RSC. In my eyes this current way of stating it is the easiest for all parties: now we know exactly that sites (rs.com) we can advertise and what we can't (rest).

 

 

 

I've also been thinking of a juridical reason for this rule. If someone got keylogged and lost for example his internet bank passes because of it, it could cause problems to Jagex. Now when even rules make it clear (and you gotta accept the rules when you join the world of RS) that it's not allowed to advertise sites, everyone should always have their bells ringing when they see some site being spammed out.

[SwreeTak]

I think that the rule shouldn't be removed. If we removed the rules the scammers could scam without even getting reported!

[neonihilist]

I agree, rule 11 stinks, I violate it frequently. Luckily it isnt enforced.

[Soma2035]

I am not a player mod myself, although I was informed by someone who did have access to the player mod center recently.

 

 

 

It clearly states that people should not be reported for saying the URL or naming a clan website or a fansite. I know this is a direct contradiction to what it says on the main site, but from that we can probably surmise that Jagex cares very little, and they realize how futile this is.

 

 

 

Hopefully this discourages people from trying. And yes there are people still banned for fansite or clansite advertising, but that's generally because Jagex doesn't look through the appeals. Player Mods are instructed to NOT report these as offenses.

[Will H]

I am not a player mod myself, although I was informed by someone who did have access to the player mod center recently.

 

 

 

It clearly states that people should not be reported for saying the URL or naming a clan website or a fansite. I know this is a direct contradiction to what it says on the main site, but from that we can probably surmise that Jagex cares very little, and they realize how futile this is.

 

 

 

Hopefully this discourages people from trying. And yes there are people still banned for fansite or clansite advertising, but that's generally because Jagex doesn't look through the appeals. Player Mods are instructed to NOT report these as offenses.

 

 

 

Jagex needs to clean these kind of things up. I personally really don't like unenforced rules. It means that everybody is only restricted by their own fear. I would suggest that Jagex can list some legitimate sites, but I think that will cause more problems than help.

 

I think that Jagex should enforce ANYTHING which goes against the rules. However, I believe that they had to make the sacrifice of restricting players from advertising legitimate sites just for the sake of the possible chance of misfiling a scam site as legitimate and causing serious problems. Perhaps they can work on doing that in the future, but I think that they have more important rules to be working on, notably Rule 7- Using Third Party Software, and Rule 12 - Real World Item Trading.

[maxdout4life]

use irc, problem solved

[WookieeMania12]

The rule says specifically that you should not advertise websites. That even includes clan websites and fansites. Anybody could deceive newbies about going to w/ww.********.com for "great tips and help" and then that person would lose his account. I think the rule is fair because it protects the players from more than account hacking.

[Albel]

I ask Jagex about this a few days ago, they pretty much said that they could not garentee that tipit is safe. I understand compleatly, so i guess i wont tell anyone to go to tip.it for help...

[Voldmort0]

Yes, it's beneficial.

 

It may not stop all but stop some. The point of the whole game is to just have fun and use whatever Jagex provides you on their official site. (even though it's much more fun with, for example, TIF of course :P)

 

Even if, like you said, it doesn't stop accounts simply made to break rules, it's there to try and prevent, and to make sure they're caught more easily if they try and break one of the rules.

 

 

 

So even if it isn't one of the most effective and fair rules in some cases, it's there to avoid bigger things than advertising the tip.it site for example. Therefore, in my opinon, it's worth it.

[WookieeMania12]

It clearly states that people should not be reported for saying the URL or naming a clan website or a fansite.

 

 

 

:uhh:

 

Thats just bull. I'm not telling you how mods do it, but I know they take action against any website mentioned (Except for the runescape website of course).

[reaper88888]

Ever notice that Tip.it is one of the few uncensored Rs related sites? :)

 

 

 

But yeah, R 11 is more there to give the impression of work than to actually do anything..

[Tonis]

Just a "minor" logic mistake:

 

 

 

Who are the ones you need to tell the address of the helpsite? - Ones who yet doesn't know it. Even if Jagex makes a list of acceptable helpsites (which they don't: they have chosen to make Knowledge base of their own and as we now even well known help sites suffer from serious security issues from time to time) people who know sites on list have no need to ask for addresses as they would already know.

 

 

 

So one being told address of the helpsite can't tell if one trying to help him out is up to good or not.