People seem to forget...If new rares were introduced in the game through this method...for normal players to get them, they would have to pay normal prices for them. All this would really do is take money out of the game, which in fact would increase prices. Even tho there would be more rares, no one would be able to notice that.

 

 

 

In otherwords, if more rares magically came back into the market, but by being paid for by normal means, it would have no effect.

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it would have an effect... Since more rares would enter Runescape and more money would leave Runescape, the relative worth of rares would go down while the relative worth of everything else would go up and the monetary worth of items would go down (I don't have any idea what would happen to the monetary worth of rares). Right? :-s

 

That, on top of the fact that he's wrong about the phat prices- they would go up. A new party hat would have a larger effect on the rares market than it's market value (from being sold) would have on the entire economy, considering how much gp there is in the game. I.e., rare prices would go down, and the majority of price rises otherwise would be due mostly to reaction to the selling of partyhats, not the actual gp added to the game itself.

To be honest, it wouldn't suprise me if something like this happened. However, I most definitely don't see it happening.

 

 

 

GJ contravicting yourself..

 

 

 

Jagex wont do this. Its a stupid idea GWD; seriously, does anyone here even think that GF will change a thing in RSW44?

what if jagex wanted to deflate the economy like this but with less of an impression could they simply just introduce coal and yew logs into the market by millions?

Jagex isn't trying to kill any of the economy. For gods sakes. Leave it at that. If any part of the economy is effected by the update it will be caused by us - the players.

 

 

 

If rares lose value, it'll be because everyone who has a rare suddenly decides to sell some. But even so, this wouldnt deflate the market. As long as they all put the rares up for the prices they are worth, people will have to buy at that price reguardless of how many people are selling.

what if jagex wanted to deflate the economy like this but with less of an impression could they simply just introduce coal and yew logs into the market by millions?

 

 

 

They could if they wanted, yes. Perhaps they might once the game is over its peak - raw material prices are generally bound to go up then, as seen in many other games before. Although Jagex already partially prevented that from ever happening by having unlimited amounts of various key resources for sale in NPC shops.

 

 

 

But even then I still don't think Jagex will ever interfer with RS' economy so directly - they generally seem to have a hands-off mentality regarding the player market - which is only good. On the other hand, they do try to regulate a lot of prices with their artificial high-alch values and unlimited NPC resources...

Yes, Jagex wants to keep rares expensive because it keeps high-levels playing.

 

That sounds reasonable. If a lvl 126 bought a santa for 30M for example, and it suddenly became 15M, they would be pretty mad :evil: . But think about it, do lvl 126's really have a financial issue :P

 

 

 

After they drop 80+ million getting 99 prayer they just might have a cash flow boggle. yes.

 

 

 

Also, this grand exchange is going to drop the prices of everything. A large number of runescape players never use the forums or world 2, they just sit in a bank and spam like noobs. What this exchange does is bring them into the market, and a big market breeds compition, and that always lowers prices.

wouldn't it be much easier(and much less orwellian) to just introduce them into the game less sneakily?

 

Im sure its possible, but i just dont think its going to happen.

 

Be logical, if they introduced additional rares in the public place, people would massively complain and riot. But sneakily, nobody would even notice.

Honestly, I hope they do, but I doubt it.

omg, for the love of god, stop with the speculation on how jagex is plotting to ruin somethign with the grand exchange. just wait for it to come out, ffs! -.-

People die, get hacked, quit, and everything else with rares. Its only a matter of time before they all disappear.

 

 

 

As for the phantom character thing, I dont think so.

And I had people saying I was out of my mind when I mentioned this a week ago on RSOF.

It sounds sensible on the surface but...if jagex wanted to do that they could do it right now with characters put on w2 O.o so if they where gonna do it, they either already are, or could quite easily regardless

We already had a thread about this.

 

 

 

They run the game. If they want to influence prices they don't have to resort to trickery.

 

 

 

Also, since the GE will increase liquidity, if anything it will make it more difficult to move prices, not easier.

 

 

 

Correct. I think that this seems a little bit to tricky for happening. If Jagex wants to change the prices, there are many more, easier ways that they could do it.

they dont want to get rid of rares! ppl stay in the game longer cause they're getting money for rares!

Yes, Jagex wants to keep rares expensive because it keeps high-levels playing.

 

That sounds reasonable. If a lvl 126 bought a santa for 30M for example, and it suddenly became 15M, they would be pretty mad :evil: . But think about it, do lvl 126's really have a financial issue :P

 

 

 

After they drop 80+ million getting 99 prayer they just might have a cash flow boggle. yes.

 

 

 

Also, this grand exchange is going to drop the prices of everything. A large number of runescape players never use the forums or world 2, they just sit in a bank and spam like noobs. What this exchange does is bring them into the market, and a big market breeds compition, and that always lowers prices.

 

 

 

Good point well made.

 

This is going to put players on an even field so they don't have to go to ridiculously crowded market areas on a world notoriously difficult to log on to and spam their keyboards to death. Or worse still use auto-talkers. It will cut down on scamming too, as people won't be able to switch items after pretending to lag, etc.

If jagex wanted to get rid of rares economy they would only have to do 2 things.

 

 

 

Delete all rares and piss off a few hundred people.

 

Drop rares for free everywhere till everyone got one.

 

 

 

They don't need to "trick" people.

If jagex wanted to get rid of rares economy they would only have to do 2 things.

 

 

 

Delete all rares and piss off a few hundred people.

 

Drop rares for free everywhere till everyone got one.

 

 

 

They don't need to "trick" people.

 

 

 

And what would that accomplish? Why pay so high a price and solve nothing? That's a really terrible idea.

When the system's out, I'm sure there will be claims about Jagex having used this trick to make the value of certain items go down. That'll achieve much the same effect - encouraging people to sell quickly or more cheaply, provoking whinging - without Jagex even lifting a finger to manipulate the economy themselves. (Unless they create a system that's not affected by anything other than a huge long-term trend, but how annoying would that be?)

 

 

 

Running with that idea for a minute, anyone posting about such a rumor on the RSOF will probably be accused of price-manipulation, which will be interpreted as a government hush-up from the evil corporate Jagex...

Or they could slowly decrease the number of rares until none exist :-w

Or they could slowly decrease the number of rares until none exist :-w

 

 

 

impossible, there are to many people that would keep them no matter what.

There's an ineresting bit of projection that goes on with respect to Runescape rares. Some players think that having rares in the game is a "big problem", so they assume that Jagex must also and that therefore they are trying to find ways to "fix it".

 

 

 

But is it *really* a big problem?

 

 

 

I mean, as someone else said, does the existence of rares impact any normal players? By this I mean regular people, not the people who are obsessed with getting rares because they think it will make them important.

 

 

 

In the real world, does it bother me that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison and the Sultan of Brunei (and other rich people) are paying $100 million for paintings, or bidding up the prices of private jets? I mean, how does this affect me in any way, unless I get it into my head that *I* need to have a $100 million painting or a private jet?

 

 

 

The problem here isn't with rares, it is with the people who obsess over them.

i agree with the thing about jagex using this to make rares...well not as rare!

 

if they did it by making them easy to get or just get rid of them that would really suck for the people who have just spent something like 500m on a phat which is now worth 1gp!

 

THAT WOULD REALLY PISS PEOPLE OFF!!!!

 

but then again, they might just leave rares how they are.......rare......

It's funny that most people have focused on the "rares" side of the arguement. To be honest, my own personal focus was on undercutting gold farmers.

 

 

 

Suppose the following....

 

 

 

Suppose Jagex wanted to tackle the problem of gold farmers using bots on yew trees. The current flow of yews reaching the market is pretty steady at the moment and as such, the prices are stable.

 

 

 

Now suppose Jagex decide to create phantom characters several times per day that will introduce 100k+ (or whatever) additional yew logs onto the market.

 

 

 

What would happen? Yup, yew log prices would crash. Suppose they halved? This means that all of a sudden, gold farmer profits are cut in half... most business can't survive a small drop in profit, never mind a 50% drop.

 

 

 

I would be interested to see if Jagex use this as a powerful tool to manipulate the economy and screw over the farmers.

 

I would be interested to see if Jagex use this as a powerful tool to manipulate the economy and screw over the farmers.

 

 

 

They'd be screwing over regular players a lot more than the gold farmers.

jagex could just giveall the players who got rares the street price for all the rares in the game :D

 

 

 

here comes the nail in the coffin:

 

 

 

i have asked jagxand gave me good reply:

 

 

 

we thinks it good the rares in the game. its give ppl something to wont.

 

"we have no intentions in removing any rares in the game"

 

(the first part isent quoted but close, the secod line is"