"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

 

 

 

One of the wonderful things of the RuneScape community is that players always find ways around difficult problems. In response to the 3,000 coin limit, some players have proposed a way to duel "normally" again: trust stakes.

 

 

 

Suppose that Alice and Bob, two players with similar combat levels, want to stake 5m each. Alice and Bob could agree that if Bob loses, he pays Alice 5m and vice versa. However, since there is no technical mechanism to enforce, the loser can dishonorably refuse to pay.

 

 

 

A solution is to use a middle person. Consider the same scenario, except with Mallory as the middleperson. Alice and Bob can each pay Mallory 5m. After the duel is over, Mallory gives 10m to the winner (the original stake and the spoils).

 

 

 

The problem with the middleperson method is that middlepersons can scam. However, with a trustworthy player, the chances of the middleperson running off is slim. Perhaps some of us can band together and offer such a service; the problem is getting players to trust us.

 

 

 

This idea may not be widely accepted, but with enough effort, we can pull this off.

 

 

 

Any takers?

This might actually work.. :-k It isn't foolproof though.

I highly doubt that this would work for players outside of TIF. Maybe, in TIF, the admins or Global Mods could be the MM's (Middlmen/women), but other than that. I doubt it. You can try, but I don't support it.

Actually, it is a very good idea, and if it could be trusted with the money, it could be a working solution, but personally, i wouldn't trust ANYONE with a 100m+ stake, which is why there would never be a true solution to the 3k cap.

What if, say, Alice and Mallory are friends. Bob and Alice each give 5mil to Mallory. Bob wins the duel, but Mallory and Alice take the money and split it between themselves. Now what?

Thought of this the minute I saw this update. Good thinking.

 

 

 

The irony is that this technique is already used. Do you know by whom?

 

 

 

Cheaters who want to broker accounts and mils.

 

 

 

Sad, isn't it?

Nobody's heard of deathmatches?

What if, say, Alice and Mallory are friends. Bob and Alice each give 5mil to Mallory. Bob wins the duel, but Mallory and Alice take the money and split it between themselves. Now what?

 

 

 

Bob got owned :-w

 

 

 

i don't see how it can work, unless the person is 100% trustworthy, and what does the middle man get out of it?

Nobody's heard of deathmatches?

 

 

 

That could work but then you have the problem of your opponent possibly having his/her friends jump you in mid fight.

Nobody's heard of deathmatches?

 

 

 

Yea, and they are a completely differant thing.

 

 

 

This might work if you can manage to find some trustworthy players.

Yes, I forgot to mention that deathmatches are an alternative solution, but the options are very limited. You can't choose what items to "stake," what rules to set (unless the opponent is honorable enough to agree to "rules" and not cheat), or prevent outside entities from interfering with the "duel."

theres too much trust and time involved in planning something like that, it wouldn't work very well in the majority of cases.

I'd think you'd run the risk of getting banned for real world trading as a middle man if millions of gp are flowing in and out of your account all the time. Personally I wouldn't risk being a middle man even if both parties trusted me. It wouldn't be worth it.

this would best work inside the tipit community, then again, theres dishonest tifers.

 

 

 

if this were to be posted in RSOF, you know the snobby replies.

 

 

 

 

the one way we can bring staking back is with death matches in the wild, then again, there are PJers.

 

 

 

theres too many flaws in this idea, it wouldnt work.

Nobody's heard of deathmatches?

 

 

 

Yea, and they are a completely differant thing.

 

 

 

Not really, you agree on the rules outside of the wild and carry the stake in your inventory. Old-school stakers used to do it for fun

deathmatches would quickly be destroyed by people roaming the wildy lookign for one and barraging both contestants. AKA find a diff way to make cash, there are still SKILLS, which jagex seems to favor, considering they haven't changed it majorly negatively. Maybe Jagex actually want s you to use your SKILLS, considering thats what they were made for.

Trust matches would do it.

 

 

 

Think of it like this: Jagex does security updates in order to stop people from getting scammed, right? The assist system came out to stop trust trading with gems and other materials.

 

 

 

So you start the trend of trust duels, and sooner or later, players are going to start scamming others. Jagex will eventually catch on to this, see that their update has done more damage by creating new scams, and will rectify the situation.

 

 

 

It'd be kinda long term, but it would work if it catches on.

That's a nice idea. I would prefer deathmatches to trust stakes. However, I am not sure it would work in today's RS community. Back in RS1 deathmatches worked because pkers were mostly known to each other.

deathmatches would quickly be destroyed by people roaming the wildy lookign for one and barraging both contestants. AKA find a diff way to make cash, there are still SKILLS, which jagex seems to favor, considering they haven't changed it majorly negatively. Maybe Jagex actually want s you to use your SKILLS, considering thats what they were made for.

 

 

 

Many of them have become obsolete

Personally, I'm all up for deathmatches

 

 

 

but dbow/blitz/dds > dmer.

There are to many possible problems with this idea.

 

 

 

What they could do is just make it so that stakes need to be about the same amount. Maybe make it so that each person's stake has to be within 10% of the value of the other persons. For example: Player A stakes 5 mill; Player B has to stake at least 4.5 mill,, but no more than 5.5 mill.

 

 

 

Also, since Jagex seems to have a system for utilizing (sp?) market prices of items, this could also be applied (Player A stakes a green mask (currently about 17 mill, I think); Player B must now stake either a cash pile between 15.3 mill and 18.7 mill or the equivilent in items).

The majority of people will compromise even the strongest trust and friendship with 100s of mill sitting in their inventory. But I guess this is the only solution.

Personally, I'm all up for deathmatches

 

 

 

but dbow/blitz/dds > dmer.

 

 

 

If there are conspicuous PK'ers nearby then you can relocate or have a harmless spectator stop the PJer

Flags RL trading.

I will be your middleman free of charge.