Tip.it Times Presents: What the heck was THAT?

[Stealth_Ltd]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

[lordkrohn1626]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

 

 

 

the problem with "truthscape" is it is one man's heavily slanted, pesimistic outlook on anything Jagex related.....be better named propagandascape...or myviewonwhytheglassisalwayshalfemptyscape

[Lux_Tenebrae]

Welcome to NannyScape.

 

 

 

What will they remove next? How about the chat window? After all we don't want anyone to say the wrong thing. :ohnoes:

[Lux_Tenebrae]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

 

 

 

Oh good idea. Lets all go to a web site that has at least five ads for Runescape gold sellers on every page. Lets do that. :thumbsup:

[storm39]

It won't do anything to stop RWT. It'll only provoke them. I can think of at least several ways that they could get around it.

[lordkrohn1626]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

 

 

 

Oh good idea. Lets all go to a web site that has at least five ads for Runescape gold sellers on every page. Lets do that. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

hehe...hmm could he be the public affairs officer for runescapegoldforyou.com (not a real site..I dont think as I made it up to drive home the point)...what better way to chip away at Jagex? :uhh: :XD:

 

 

 

just kidding just kidding qeltar, was all said in fun :thumbsup:

 

 

 

It won't do anything to stop RWT. It'll only provoke them. I can think of at least several ways that they could get around it.

 

 

 

you need to go read the other thread (runescape lives) on general forum that has copy and pasted posts by RWTers from several prominent cheat sites on how they are throwing in the towel on runescape, because other MMOPGs are much easier. think of it as there are 5 corvettes in a parking lot, the car thieves want one, one has an alarm, an armd guard, 5 dogs tied to the bumper, and a barricade...the other four are in various spots in the back of the parking lot....which would you endeavor to steal/break in to?

 

 

 

as a detterent, all you have to be is more of a pain then the others.

[lordkrohn1626]

ooops sorry, lagging and double posted. my apologies all

[joepie91]

They seriously ruined the game. I've made a petition, everybody who does not agree with the new updates, can sign it.

 

 

 

http://www.petitiononline.com/runedied/

 

(EDIT: uhm, the site is blocked. can any mod please accept it, as it's not a scam and just a normal petition :) any mod please PM me, i'll send the full website address in a reply.)

 

 

 

Thanks :)

 

-Sven

[Stealth_Ltd]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

 

 

 

the problem with "truthscape" is it is one man's heavily slanted, pesimistic outlook on anything Jagex related.....be better named propagandascape...or myviewonwhytheglassisalwayshalfemptyscape

 

 

 

It ain't so bad, i call it going in depth on a valid point, either way there is always two sides of a fence. Qeltar has written articles from both sides and some from one, just as tipit times has. Thruthscape articles are well written, structured and at least twice the content as the times without running off topic. I'm not anti tipit times, i read both, i just like quality and Truthscape gives me that.

 

 

 

On a side note i don't like reading like 10 words a line, it's like a pocket book.

[qeltar]

Qeltar's articles are the best, you should just replace tip.it times with links to his site :) tip.it times suck compared to thruthscapes lol

 

 

 

I'm flattered that you like my articles.. but at the same time it pains me to read these sorts of comments, for several reasons.

 

 

 

First, I hate the idea that some people think that there is some sort of "competition" going on here. There isn't. The Internet is a big place and there's plenty of room for lots of quality sites, which Tip.It certainly is.

 

 

 

Second, I have been cooperating with the fine folks at Tip.It and plan to continue if they want to -- I don't want them to think that I'm out to replace anything here because I'm not.

 

 

 

Finally, that comment really does a serious injustice to the many very fine writers who contribute to the Times.

 

 

 

Let's try to keep focused and on the positive here. Thanks. :)

[Rock Hard]

 

you need to go read the other thread (runescape lives) on general forum that has copy and pasted posts by RWTers from several prominent cheat sites on how they are throwing in the towel on runescape, because other MMOPGs are much easier. think of it as there are 5 corvettes in a parking lot, the car thieves want one, one has an alarm, an armd guard, 5 dogs tied to the bumper, and a barricade...the other four are in various spots in the back of the parking lot....which would you endeavor to steal/break in to?

 

 

 

as a detterent, all you have to be is more of a pain then the others.

 

 

 

Aye, but is it worth guarding a corvette with razorwire threaded through the seats, clamped tires, jammed radio and an overheating problem?

 

 

 

Jadex need to balance the security of their game, whilst leaving a fun incentive for people to play.

[Nayarah]

Thats exactly what i was talking about:

 

 

 

good article and i agree that looking at the bad side is necessary once in a while but if you look at all those awsome minigame updates and the duel arena is open for us f2ps

 

 

 

to you p2ps this is no big deal but to us f2ps who till now had only the stronghold of security which by the way was as easy as eating a cake and level 3s had the shoes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[...]

 

 

 

and like it said in the times new players will like it and im not going to quit anytime soon

 

 

 

I think its really funny how some ppl who like to PK and didnt liked the changes just go like "Gratz Jagex, u just killed the game"... Its funny how these ppl really think that "the empire will ruin" because of changes THEY didnt liked...

 

 

 

In my point of view, whats more likely to happen is that Jagex Staff will read the forums and make some adjustments to their new inventions.

 

 

 

For instance, we could have a "borrow item" option on armour and weapons wich would allow us to borrow while logged in. I know some ppl borrow stuff for days and that would be a limitation, but cmon, some limitation is need fot RWT.

 

 

 

Maybe the value limit on unbalanced trades could be a bit readjusted, i agree, but not so hight that a gold farmer wouldnt bother making a trade after the other to transfer all the gold.

 

 

 

And for the Bounty hunter.... Well, i really couldnt understand why using arenas for it, i think the wilderness terrain would fit perfectly for the activity.

 

 

 

These are some suggestions ill make on their forums... And again i say, things will probably just not stay like this. They will make some ajustments here and there and things will be ok to everybody again...

 

 

 

Well, do as u wish. As i said before: angry ppl leaving runescape now pls contact me to give phats, barrows and dragon items, before januray 2008, ok??

 

 

 

Make my Xmas great and have a great xmas yourselves!!! 8-)

[cowboy4160]

yes i admit they will have to change some things with bounty hunter.

 

i was actualy planing to quit but im rethinking that. if only they made it so you can only fight and be attacked by players 5 lvls lower or above

 

 

 

very nice read :D

[darkelfpoet]

thought I'd toss in my two cents that the reason we haven't seen anything truly spectacular and game altering in recent history is probably because they've been devoting a lot of resources to this.

 

 

 

And, for the people who think RWT is still possible, I tried to figure out how you might get around it. I was at a drop party in Falador yesterday (for 2mill-ish) and there were 100+ people there who came just because of the announcements. Forget transfering large amounts of cash like that. Bounty Hunter? Unless you get bloody lucky and the person who's getting the cash gets the person with the cash as their target (and with limited worlds to play on, not so likely). Gravestones prevent death transfers outside of Bounty Hunter. And killing them even though they're not their target carries the huge risk of being killed with that kindof cash on you by another random player or your hunter (who can teleport near you with the new spell :)). Dueling tournaments? You have to be lucky enough to win, and there's no guarentee there aren't other people playing with you. Caps prevent dueling arena and straight trading/drop trading. No, I think Jagex has covered all the bases on this one - RWT is dead or they're going to be taking a huge risk (and note that there are so few places its possible to do it, even in theory, that its easy to track who went to Bounty Hunter with no weapons/armor and 1million in their inventory) or its going to take AGES to transfer - 3k every 15 minutes is 83 hours about to transfer 1million. In 83 hours of playing time, I can make way more than that thank you. RWT, Rest In Pieces.

[Slayer_Jesse]

amen to that. and btw, you cnat bring money into bountey hunter. \ or wizards hats/robes

[therehadtobe1]

i get the feeling we haven't seen the last of RWT, with the GE messed up prices and expensive items like chefs delight can be made cheaply....... but i agree they need to balance things out. the wilderness update was overkill they could have just banned trading in the wildy...... and added a couple of minor things.....

[cyrlandir]

amen to that. and btw, you cnat bring money into bountey hunter. \ or wizards hats/robes

 

yeah,the wizard robes thing really doesn't make sense.im guessing that's a glitch they WILL change.

[drogonking90]

i get the feeling we haven't seen the last of RWT, with the GE messed up prices and expensive items like chefs delight can be made cheaply....... but i agree they need to balance things out. the wilderness update was overkill they could have just banned trading in the wildy...... and added a couple of minor things.....

 

 

 

they could have banned trading in the wildy but to do trades they just kill eachother and get the droped items

[Xtasy]

The whole Bounty Hunter thing will not last long. Although it has some glitches, people will eventually see its flaws and begin to look for something better. Honestly, I have a better experience killing a chicken than going Bounty Hunter. Bounty Hunter is worse than Level-50 wild with all the 1-itemers pile jumping someone with a coin or two. In Bounty Hunter they just stay near the exit and wait for someone. Thats not pk:ing. Jagex made a huge mistake making this update. But as I wrote before I came up with a slightly unorthodox solution :)

 

 

 

The solution: Remove Bounty Hunter and restore the wilderness to normal, but with a few exceptions. Leave the ditch as it is, but whenever entering the wilderness a warning box should appear to indicate the player that they are trying to enter the wilderness with unnecessary items, just like in Bounty Hunter. This can be called the "Restriction System".

 

 

 

The Restriction SystemÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâé will not allow players to bring such items like Third Age armor, God armor (except some parts),Dragon armor(Chain, Helm) runes in no greater capacity than 2000, same goes for arrows and other stackable items, and noted items. Also, money will not be allowed in the wilderness along with holiday items. If a player tries to bring these items, a warning box will pop-up telling the player that they can't enter the wilderness with these items.

 

 

 

But RWT will always find a way around anything.

 

 

 

--Xtasy

[Mithril_Max]

nothing you people say about how "this is a neccesary change" will make it a good update, this is still the worst update in runescape history and it single handedly destroyed drop parties, gifts, pking, merchanting, and many other things. There is no justification for the slaughtering of their loyal fanbase because of a minority of Real World Traders. Its like they think they will come into their house at night and just force them into unspeakable acts. I would rather have a fun game with a few cheaters than a wasted 4 years of my time with noone breaking rules.

 

 

 

Runescape has finally died, tell your friends. And I actually thought it was more fun than WoW :lol:

[db300]

Good read. Worth my time. :

[Xtasy]

 

 

 

Runescape has finally died, tell your friends. And I actually thought it was more fun than WoW :lol:

 

 

 

It didn't die yet. There are still some possible options like the one I mentioned above :roll: But if Jagex doesn't do anything soon, Runescape will really die. There will be no point to play. Unless you will want to make a super account and just sell to someone. But I heard rumors that Pking is coming back on Friday. If that's true, I'm down. But for now I'm sticking to Counter-Strike. And WOW maybe be the true winner after all.

[nitram99]

@ Lordkrohn1626 mostly....

 

 

 

Well, all I have to say is that my numbers seem to be more right than your assumption. Both are assumptions, I get that, but minimize it to 1 % is just wrong. I can't count all people there who rant but I can with certainty say that the ones that do not like it vastly count out the ones that write there and like it. As you would think, if you like it you would be even more inclinded to post there to really try to even it out so that the "ranters" don't get all of the "yelling space". And yes, the content players have no reason to post there. Well, most of the "content" players are in fact not really "content", they most likely don't like the updates either they are just almost apathic about it, they just swallow it as there is no RuneScape 1 and 2 to choose from, there is only one RuneScape and as they still want to play RuneScape they have no real choise there, just like it or go.

 

 

 

As there are loads of people that specialize in different aspect of the game, pk:ing, stalking, merchanters and others that play the game "normally" but still use any of these features to get enjoyment out of the game. The people that these poorly outlined and implemented updates affect are actually very vast. Many ppl may not have pk:ing or stalking or merchanting or loaning/borrowing/helping/giving/do services as their main activity but they really like it from time to time. Now, all that enjoyment for them in these aspects are killed off and as these might be the thing these players do for a break from all that grinding that is the only thing left in the game, this might very well be the tip-off-point for them to say "Now, this game is just not too fun for me to stick around to play it". It's not just pure speculations because I really think that that is a very educated and well-based guess.

 

 

 

I also red that part about that they have worked or planed on working on these updates for like a year now. If this is the result of that work the work was really poorly done as there are much easier ways and better ways to combat the same thing but still keep the things all rant about are gone now. I not a rocket scientist or a genius and most people that have really come up with intelligent other solutions and alternatives to these updates are not that either. So why havent Jagex thought about them?

 

 

 

They must have anticipated that their updates would start so many rants as they take away many many players main activity in the game or what they do to have a fun break from the grinding of lvls and to get drops. And they say that they have tried to look at alternatives to not have to take away all these things ppl love but still do the what they wanted in the first place. If this is the alternative way they chose the other alternatives must have been really poor and not very well thoughout.

 

 

 

The alternative solutions I'm speaking about are way minor in terms of how much they interact with but so they should be much faster to do and not affect as much as they now do and keep all those things we want so why weren't they in there as alternaite alternatives? If it was because Jagex actually didn't think about them they just didn't do the jog as good as you would expect.

[lordkrohn1626]

@ Lordkrohn1626 mostly....

 

 

 

Well, all I have to say is that my numbers seem to be more right than your assumption. Both are assumptions, I get that, but minimize it to 1 % is just wrong. I can't count all people there who rant but I can with certainty say that the ones that do not like it vastly count out the ones that write there and like it. As you would think, if you like it you would be even more inclinded to post there to really try to even it out so that the "ranters" don't get all of the "yelling space". And yes, the content players have no reason to post there. Well, most of the "content" players are in fact not really "content", they most likely don't like the updates either they are just almost apathic about it, they just swallow it as there is no RuneScape 1 and 2 to choose from, there is only one RuneScape and as they still want to play RuneScape they have no real choise there, just like it or go.

 

 

 

As there are loads of people that specialize in different aspect of the game, pk:ing, stalking, merchanters and others that play the game "normally" but still use any of these features to get enjoyment out of the game. The people that these poorly outlined and implemented updates affect are actually very vast. Many ppl may not have pk:ing or stalking or merchanting or loaning/borrowing/helping/giving/do services as their main activity but they really like it from time to time. Now, all that enjoyment for them in these aspects are killed off and as these might be the thing these players do for a break from all that grinding that is the only thing left in the game, this might very well be the tip-off-point for them to say "Now, this game is just not too fun for me to stick around to play it". It's not just pure speculations because I really think that that is a very educated and well-based guess.

 

 

 

I also red that part about that they have worked or planed on working on these updates for like a year now. If this is the result of that work the work was really poorly done as there are much easier ways and better ways to combat the same thing but still keep the things all rant about are gone now. I not a rocket scientist or a genius and most people that have really come up with intelligent other solutions and alternatives to these updates are not that either. So why havent Jagex thought about them?

 

 

 

They must have anticipated that their updates would start so many rants as they take away many many players main activity in the game or what they do to have a fun break from the grinding of lvls and to get drops. And they say that they have tried to look at alternatives to not have to take away all these things ppl love but still do the what they wanted in the first place. If this is the alternative way they chose the other alternatives must have been really poor and not very well thoughout.

 

 

 

The alternative solutions I'm speaking about are way minor in terms of how much they interact with but so they should be much faster to do and not affect as much as they now do and keep all those things we want so why weren't they in there as alternaite alternatives? If it was because Jagex actually didn't think about them they just didn't do the jog as good as you would expect.

 

 

 

1% was a bit harsh I admit, but my thinking was couple thousand vocal discontent out of 1.5-2mil players....1-2%. pure guess, and yes I recognize that some players just got their version of game playing nerfed, but I refuse to think or believe "it's the end of RS" and a mass majority of players are quitting in droves.

[p5hngmeawy19]

Good article =)

 

 

 

I totally can understand why Jagex has taken such extreme measures- they say, "if you can't beat them, join them" but Jagex has not given up on this fight yet, and I like that. They are really shocking changes, yet I look forward to becoming a member again and trying out all the new stuff- I just look at it as a new game to explore. In the end, if I really lose interest and/or don't like it I might quit. But I can't quit without giving it a chance, like many are doing.

 

Humans can adapt to changes and have been doing so since the beginning of existence.