An Inconvenient Truth: High Alching Yew Longs Gone?

[Gwasha]

:?: An Inconvenient Truth: High Alching Yew Longs Gone :?:

 

 

 

 

 

Most of us today are very aware about the upcoming update coming in January. Most of us will dread it. Most of is will rant. Most of us will be furious.

 

 

 

As time goes though, the economy will change to fit the needs of the people.

 

 

 

HOWEVER, if it doesn't, look at my following example of how the Runescape economy may fall.

 

 

 

 

 

How many of you are trying to get to 99 Magic by high alching?

 

How many of you are planning to get that by high alching yew longs?

 

 

 

If I am correct, and Jagex doesn't change the "3K limit" will we still be able to trade the yew longs at prices that are good for the buyer and seller? Lets find out.

 

 

 

TODAYS WORLD

 

 

 

Now as we know, Yew Longs high alch for 768 gp each. Duh. Also, in TODAYS world, you can buy them for roughly 600 each, give or take. Correct? So that means, that you are "gaining" 168 gp per long you alch. BUT there is the cost for natures, which are usualy always around 300 each. So after doing the math, you are actually losing 132 gp per Yew Long Alched. Then after some glows, you get your money. Thats how it works.

 

 

 

INTO THE FUTURE

 

 

 

(Now this is if everything goes exaclty how Jagex wants it to (3K Limit))

 

 

 

Lets explore the GE's prices, shall we?

 

 

 

When the 3K Limit comes into play and everyone has to go by the market price, the yew longs will be soon outdated. Why? This is because the GE sets the market price.

 

 

 

Has anyone gone to the GE yet and have tried to buy some yew longs to high alch? As soon as you looked at that price, you decided to go to the forums. This is becuase in the GE the "middle" price of yew longs are 713 (December 28). That is OUTRAGEOUS. Now lets look at your "profit" margin shall we? 1 Yew long at that price will cost 713gp. You alch it, and get a mere 768 gp, only 55gp from where you started. Now here comes the cost for the nature run. So, after the math for that one nature rune, you actually LOSE 245 GP!

 

 

 

You may think that, "Hey, 245 gp isn't a lot of loss."

 

 

 

You are incredibly wrong my friend. :shame:

 

 

 

That 245 gp is jsut for ONE yew long. How many of you alch one thing, and get 99 Magic?

 

 

 

Lets just say, when all of these aweful new rules come into play, I want to get 99 Magic, from my current level of 69. If I followed all of the SAME EXACT PRICES, I would lose 46.55M! :shock:

 

 

 

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I just want to hear what you think about this.

 

 

 

Go ahead and tell me off, prove me wrong.

 

 

 

Thank you for your time :D

[Hajutze]

It might be just me , but arent the COMBAT skills supose to be leveled with FIGHTing something ... thats why they are COMBAT ...

[jondea0]

yeah but tbh it hasnt always been the cheapest way to get 99 magic and jagex said they will change prices so maybe thet will help

 

 

 

We have to hold our hands up and admit that a handful of starting prices were a little off. It was a huge task to get 15,000+ items valued correctly and some slipped through the net. WeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re on the case, though, as we have already formed a team to manage the Grand Exchange!

 

 

 

As well as getting the starting price right, this team will regularly check prices on an ongoing basis, making sure that they naturally and accurately represent the current state of the player economy. Of course, they wonÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be alone, as YOU will be there to help them! A new sticky thread, centred on the Grand Exchange, will be available to highlight any concerns you have about prices and marketplace matters, while a new web page is already in the works which will allow you to track item prices over a long period of time.

 

 

 

yeah also what the person before me said, they should nerf alching and make combat spells better and cheaper. atleast then it would make more sense

[Thus]

Wait, we already know this don't we?

[Gwasha]

To LcooL:

 

 

 

Look at all the 99 Magic Capes.

 

 

 

How many of the owners of those capes got them by shooting spells at monsters?

 

 

 

I'm sure some have, but more have not.

 

 

 

 

 

To jondea0

 

 

 

I'm sure that the team will notice the "correct" prices of yew longs and will change them. But the question is, why haven't they already?

 

 

 

 

 

To Darkpoop0

 

 

 

Yes, some people may realise it, others may not.

 

 

 

Other then that, where did you hear it from? Did you just form it from the top of your mind?

[RichieMcD]

If you cant accept that there will be changes then dont go for 99 mage.

 

 

 

Go for something like 99 STR or ATT. The reason why less people have 99 mage instead of ATT and STR is becasue its costly :roll:

 

 

 

You could just buy alot of chaos, airs and get chaos gauntlets then head to metal dragons and hope for a visage :pray:

[Sly_Wizard]

How many of the owners of those capes got them by shooting spells at monsters?

 

 

 

Me :mrgreen:

 

 

 

*God bless metal dragons*

 

 

 

Anyway, things won't be as bad as you say, simply because the price of nature runes are steadily going down. Granted, you'll still lose a hefty bit of money if you buy yew longs and natures, but you won't lose as much money as you would have before the wilderness downdate.

[Gwasha]

To kranked1

 

 

 

I don't really know how to reply to this one...

 

 

 

 

 

To Sly_Wizard

 

 

 

Yea, I didn't look into the price of natures :shock:

 

 

 

But yes, everything will go down, I'm just wondering about yews. Yes most of the macroers are gone, but not all, and the yews, will, more then likely, steadily rise. :ohnoes:

[BBC3]

oh my what a tragic loss.

 

 

 

anyway i lost 60mil+ getting 99 magic so who cares, about time high alching died.

 

 

 

and fletching and woodcut.

 

dead skills.

[Sonicspeed]

If it's as outrageous as you believe it is, the GE price will finally be forced to be corrected to the real market price. There isn't anything to fear, as their price will likely plummet come January.

[ugafan_2009]

RC double cosmics and go to MTA. Pretty darn cheap xp.

 

 

 

 

 

Or go metal drags and hope you get some money back. Or DK's if you're high enough level.

 

 

 

And even though it sucks now, PC is still free.

[Malhavok]

Maybe things are that way because Jagex expects you to gather resourses YOURSELF, Not buy them.

 

 

 

Yes this may be absurd, but that's what it seems like.

[brave]

The reason that GE prices are not reflecting "real" prices is that most people are still trading Yew longs outside the GE. Now, from my observations of the GE it appears that the GE prices are adjusted daily on item selling in the GE only. Thus if no-one sells Yew longs through the GE then the price in the GE will never reflect the "real" price. However, this should change when the new rules come into force next month which will force people to use the GE.

 

 

 

This also applies to lots of other items that do not reflect "real" proces.

 

 

 

IMO the best way for you to get the GE to reflect "real" prices is to use it for ALL trading. You may take a loss for a while, but eventually the prices will stabalise at around the "real" price.

[NukeMarine]

The ranter is assuming others are not buying the yew longs at 725 each. Perhaps they are willing to part with the cash and the sellers are willing to sell slowly at that price.

 

 

 

Put it this way:

 

 

 

They do not produce the number of Ferrari's to match the desire of those that want to buy a Ferrari. They produce the number to match those that want to buy and CAN AFFORD to buy a Ferrari.

 

 

 

Now, Natures are going down in price (around 250 for now) while Yews have stabalized at about 725. Seems to me, people are willing to take a 190 gp loss on the 65 xp of magic. Now, if that's the desire of thousands of players, your rant about you not wanting to skill at such a high cost should be irrelevant.

 

 

 

Plus, I know that the GE is accounting for no sales cause Daggonoth hides and watemelons have been dropping for over 2 weeks. So if Yews are not dropping it means people are buying them.

 

 

 

That said, there's some improvements that could be done to the GE to help account for player prices.

[wakka102]

prices are suppose to adjust due to supply and demand across the GE, I'm surprised they still are not at 600 ea as alot of other things have settled into their price ranges by now.

 

 

 

in other words, someone must be buying at that price.

[ajk822]

Whoever said woodcutting is dead is COMPLETELY off. I mean this may be the golden age for wc. Yews=425 Magics=1250 My Bank Account=Larger

 

:D

[Mayjest]

I find it interesting how a lot of people are commenting that the GE's price for yew logs is inaccurate. I'm here to tell you a startling truth.

 

 

 

It's perfectly accurate.

 

 

 

When the GE was released the price of them was 320 each. It has steadily risen since then because there is greater demand than there is supply.

 

 

 

You can get logs for cheaper on the forums by all means, but realise that this is the accurate market price, and will be the only one in a few days time.

 

 

 

If the price of yew logs is too high to be profitable then we (the players) have only ourselves to blame.

[Dexek]

We could always train our skills and runecraft our own nature runes, or even train our woodcutting and fletching to supply our own yew longs. Training a combat skill without actually being in combat should require some cash, and potential loss. It is possible to train magic without any loss at all. :

[klankaos]

prices are suppose to adjust due to supply and demand across the GE, I'm surprised they still are not at 600 ea as alot of other things have settled into their price ranges by now.

 

 

 

in other words, someone must be buying at that price.

 

Unfortunately, they aren't. =(

 

 

 

The first day the GE came out, I wanted to sell 1k yew longs on it. I put them up at the minimum price, expecting a quick sell like everything else I'd sold (except the sara page, but whatever :lol: ). I didn't get the quick sell I was looking for. Even at the MINIMUM PRICE, they took me over TWO WEEKS to sell. That implies a serious lack of trading of yew longs on the GE. And as everyone has said, that's because the price is far too high. Once they adjust the trade system, there're going to be lots of complaints around this and some other price issues. However, this is simply the most noticeable because they're the most traded of the mispriced items.

[gg_kk90]

skills is not just all free and all profit, you have to work hard for a skill like buying the necessary needs and etc.

[wakka102]

prices are suppose to adjust due to supply and demand across the GE, I'm surprised they still are not at 600 ea as alot of other things have settled into their price ranges by now.

 

 

 

in other words, someone must be buying at that price.

 

Unfortunately, they aren't. =(

 

 

 

The first day the GE came out, I wanted to sell 1k yew longs on it. I put them up at the minimum price, expecting a quick sell like everything else I'd sold (except the sara page, but whatever :lol: ). I didn't get the quick sell I was looking for. Even at the MINIMUM PRICE, they took me over TWO WEEKS to sell. That implies a serious lack of trading of yew longs on the GE. And as everyone has said, that's because the price is far too high. Once they adjust the trade system, there're going to be lots of complaints around this and some other price issues. However, this is simply the most noticeable because they're the most traded of the mispriced items.

did you also take into account the fact that maybe others were selling all of their Yew Longs as well? it puts you into a "line" when you sell items at the ge and their is a delay in between sales. Also, with autoers gone the cost of yews and bowstrings has gone up and fletchers may just not want to sell for that price anymore because that is the price that was in position while autoers were around.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

The way I figure it, Fletching's finally found its skill trade-off point.

 

 

 

You either make the Natures, spin the flax, or cut your own Yew logs, or a combination of the three -- either way, it's not profitable to just buy out that skill anymore.

 

 

 

This is true in processing skills, such as Smithing and Herblore. You could theoretically buy these skills out, but you would lose a huge chunk of cash over time.

 

 

 

It's always been around though, and only recently has it begun to affect the tens of thousands of Fletchers (or those with that goal). Time to make the trade-off, so what will it be? Flax, Yew or Nature?

[dude1456]

if you are willing to get about 30k magic exp an hour and turn profit you can easily. also u can get 90k+ exp an hour if u are willing to lose some cash.(tip, i found this meathod in a guide on tip.it forums.)

 

ive made roughly 30m with the 30k exp an hour i now have 85 magic from about 70 b4. the meathods are out there just get a shovel and dig for em.

[Quinton595]

Wait, we already know this don't we?

 

 

 

We, as human beings, know a lot of things.. do we care? of course not, at least, not untill it affects us..

 

 

 

We know that there are children starving in Africa.. do we care? of course not *Talking about selfish people here*

 

 

 

We know that we are killing ourselves with global warming.. we know that we could sell our current car, and buy a hybrid or what not, even if it means losing a could thousand dollars, but saving the ENTIRE WORLD, but do we? of course not, its 1000$ loss!! that could buy 200 copies of play-boy magazines!!! -.-

 

 

 

We KNOW, that there are homeless people everywhere.. but do we make 200 pb&j sandwiches, go downtown, and hand them out? of course not! *again, talking about selfish people here...*

 

 

 

 

 

We know a lot of things.. we just don't do anything about them :-s .... If you want my opinion... humans are turds.. :XD:

[Blizaga57]

And to think I came to this thread thinking about the wonderful things that would be said about fewer yew logs cut means fewer yew longs alched which means less gp into the economy leading to deflation everywhere.

 

 

 

On topic: alching has always been for a loss of money.