Finally, Fletching won't be the easiest skill to grace this game.

.... If you want my opinion... humans are turds.. :XD:

 

 

 

Siggied. It had to be done.

did you also take into account the fact that maybe others were selling all of their Yew Longs as well? it puts you into a "line" when you sell items at the ge and their is a delay in between sales. Also, with autoers gone the cost of yews and bowstrings has gone up and fletchers may just not want to sell for that price anymore because that is the price that was in position while autoers were around.

 

 

 

You did read some other threads about Jagex effecting prices through GE, Wakka?

 

I'm pretty sure that Yew Longs are a fine example of this. Probably it has something to do with shopprices or alchprices for the yewlongs or the raw material for it that are set as fixed bottomprices... I didnt bother to sort out.

 

However, the GE is definitely not a 'free market' right now.

 

 

 

(I've put in 10k yew longs 3 weeks ago for 704 ea, immediately 100 longs were sold, after that none! Does that sound logical?)

oh my what a tragic loss.

 

 

 

anyway i lost 60mil+ getting 99 magic so who cares, about time high alching died.

 

 

 

and fletching and woodcut.

 

dead skills.

 

 

 

I gained 80 mil getting 99 magic by alching!

 

I mined the essence, made the nats. 180k of it all.

 

Bought the logs and the flax.

Its a good thing.

 

 

 

You should of NEVER been able to buy in the bows/resources AND alch them for profit.

 

 

 

This way thoose who want fast xp can get it at a cost.

 

 

 

Thoose who actually work hard to make the bows and/or nats themselves get the profit they deserve for thier work

No Yew WC autoers means less yew money comming into the game.

 

 

 

Duh.

The reason that GE prices are not reflecting "real" prices is that most people are still trading Yew longs outside the GE. Now, from my observations of the GE it appears that the GE prices are adjusted daily on item selling in the GE only. Thus if no-one sells Yew longs through the GE then the price in the GE will never reflect the "real" price. However, this should change when the new rules come into force next month which will force people to use the GE.

 

 

 

This also applies to lots of other items that do not reflect "real" proces.

 

 

 

IMO the best way for you to get the GE to reflect "real" prices is to use it for ALL trading. You may take a loss for a while, but eventually the prices will stabalise at around the "real" price.

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I thought.

 

 

 

TBH I havent personally tried to buy yew longs. But I am often in seers and see a lot of yew longs sold below this price. I was asked if I wanted to buy 5k when I was last on yesterday at 600ea. I looked on zybez that said that was well within the correct price and as I dont alch I didnt buy. But as far as I can see when I am in seers yew longs sell outside the exchange at under 700ea, so why would people pay more in G.E. Well the majority wont.

 

 

 

I Don't know if the price is set like the original poster claims, I had just assumed it was like willow logs, willows are or were 22gp on G.E. for ages. They sell all day long outside the exchange for 14-16ea, The price wont change on the exchange to meet the external price until the 3k limit comes into effect. Because no one is buying them on the exchange.

 

 

 

But from what I've seen others say I might have been wrong, maybe it is a set minimum price.

Umm, I believe that because of that Yew Longbows will go down in price to the normal price in the long run.

 

 

 

There are other ways of training Magic too, such as Cosmics in MTA, costs like 20M for 99 Magic there I believe, and it's fast xp, can get rather tedious though :P

People can stop being so lazy and still buy the materials and then fletch their own... It'd allow the 3k limit. But remember, Jagex is supplementing all of this by peoples quest point amounts. So if you have a friend who can do itfor you, than you're fine.

 

 

 

Or you could simply: Chop your own yews, fletch them into bows, pick your own flax, spin it on your own, and then fletch them into full bows. Then you can also mine your own pure essence (If you have mage guild entrance ability than it's pretty fast!) and rune craft it yourself.

 

 

 

It may TAKE LONGER, but you also get all the experience from making it all yourself. :)

How exactly is Jagex planning to fix the G.E prices, if noboody is there to offer higher or lower prices that that?

 

 

 

Because with the 3k trade cap you can pretty much only offer jagex's price anyway....So are they planning on fixing the prices with like the number of each item in the game and base it on that?

.....LOSE 245 GP!

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is why i never wanted to alch them..

Well it looks like we better get the prices of yew longs in the GE to a price we want them at before this update so we will still be able to trade them and continue alching.

oh my what a tragic loss.

 

 

 

anyway i lost 60mil+ getting 99 magic so who cares, about time high alching died.

 

 

 

and fletching and woodcut.

 

dead skills.

 

 

 

I gained 80 mil getting 99 magic by alching!

 

I mined the essence, made the nats. 180k of it all.

 

Bought the logs and the flax.

 

 

 

If you would have sold the nats and yew longs seperate, you would have made much more mills. Or if you just would have sold your nats and crafted bow strings.

 

 

 

Lets see:

 

1) mine 180k ess: Roughly 18m profit

 

2) turn 180k ess into 180k nats. Roughly 36m profit.

 

3) turn 180k flax into 180k bow strings. Roughly 18m profit.

 

4) turn 180k yew logs and 180k bowstring into 180k yew longs. Roughly 18m profit.

 

 

 

Together: 90m profit. More than 80 huh. (Btw, I think you 80m is off. Its probably less).

 

 

 

Now lets see: you alch the longs you could have sold at 600 each, using nats you could have sold at 300 each. This way you loose a potential 138gp (or whatever 900 - alch price of yew longs is) per yew long.

 

 

 

You didnt make the money by alching. You made the money by gathering your own ess, craft them yourself, stringing your own bow strings, and making your own longs. NOT by alching.

 

 

 

Conclusion: what you (and many others) are saying is total bias.

 

(for instance: someone says he makes profit by smithing rune, cause he mines his own ore. The ore mining is making him profit, not the smithing. The smithing is REDUCING his profit).

Last I checked natures were only 250 each...

 

 

 

This means 200 max loss in the 'future'

 

 

 

But I understand your point, looks like its going to be cheaper to make our own items, those self-sufficient preachers were right...

People will look for alternatives to alch. Simple as that.

 

 

 

There's always a chance that yew long prices go back down.

 

 

 

There is the possibility that Jagex is influencing these prices as a measure to counteract inflation, in which case they are truly a Machiavellian company...

 

 

 

Or, just train magic like I do and blow millions 8-)

People will look for alternatives to alch. Simple as that.

 

 

 

There's always a chance that yew long prices go back down.

 

 

 

There is the possibility that Jagex is influencing these prices as a measure to counteract inflation, in which case they are truly a Machiavellian company...

 

 

 

Or, just train magic like I do and blow millions 8-)

 

 

 

There's still Green dragon hide bodies for alching and various plates/bows which only have a slight loss when alched.

<- Already bought 86k yew longs for 99 magic.

 

 

 

But, JaGEx may fix prices and there are other alternatives out there.

 

Or this could be there way to stop people from high alching to train magic, and do it through combat.

Ahhh yes three reasons that you're an overreacting [wagon] :

 

 

 

1) Prices in the GE change so if all the alchers buy for the lowest price and all the fletchers sell for the lowest price, problem solved.

 

 

 

2) Jagex has said that they'll work on the odd prices.

 

 

 

3)99's aren't spose to be cheap and easy? Just my two cents.

I am fed up with people saying that Jagex are trying to fix prices using the GE. They are NOT. As I said previously the main reason prices in the GE are not "realistic" is that people are not using the GE. Once the 3K limit trading comes into place then, basically, players will no option but to use the GE. It will be at that point where the GE starts to work as Jagex have designed it.

Alching always was an incredibly lame way to train magic, especially if you bought yew longs to do it. I've alched for probably around 1/3 of my mage xp, always stuff I made myself, never with profit in mind. I really hope they rid the game of this lazy way to train magic.

 

 

 

It will suck for level 3 skillers with no way to get rid of the bows or plates they make, as I learned when I saw that steel plates go for 1500 minimum on the GE.

I think the problem is that for most items, there is a set min and a set max price which is based on what specialty shops buy and sell for, and it looks like that price is way out of line with the free market value of Yew Longs. Jagex may or may not correct this, but either way, there are choices out there.

 

 

 

1. Alching is still an option - Green D'hide Bodies and Steel Plates are the first two alternatives to bows that come to mind.

 

2. There's the Mage Training Arena also. With Cosmics down to about 150gp ea, the Enchanting Chamber is a much more attractive option now than it was when I was training Mage.

 

3. The Barrows or Dagganoth Kings are both a good way to train mage through combat without losing tens of millions on the way to 99. Plus if you do Barrows, you can always burn your extra runes on Castle Wars or at Pest Control for faster xp.

 

 

 

P.S. - Whoever said Magic should have to be trained through combat, please realize that it is unique in the way it is also a non-combat skill. In fact, nearly the entire Lunar Spellbook has nothing to do with combat. That's why it makes sense that you should be able to train it any way you like.

Heh, read my post. Steel plates at GE prices are worse than yew longs, as their lowest sale price is 300 gp higher than their alch value.

 

 

 

Mith or addy stuff might be a better bet, depending on how often it gets bought, though I haven't checked those prices.

It might be just me , but arent the COMBAT skills supose to be leveled with FIGHTing something ... thats why they are COMBAT ...

 

 

 

Magic is not just a combat skill. Lunars are geared up to aid skilling, only Ancients are meant just for combat.

 

 

 

I saw this coming, and have stocked up on ruby bracelets. I'm making 80k crafting XP and hour, costing me 1.1k to make and alching for nearly 1.4k. With the current price of natures I make 50gp by alching them :)

 

 

 

Unfortunately more people than me have noticed this trick and rubies have risen too much and are now unprofitable when alching the product. It takes me 2 hours to make and alch 1,000 bracelets so that is an average of 70k (40k Crafting + 30k Magic) experiance per hour : Also don't knock the 25k GP an hour profit :P

OK, maybe Steel plates aren't the best option. It was only an example. My point is that alching for mage xp will not go away as a result of January's impending trade update.

Ahhh yes three reasons that you're an overreacting [wagon] :

 

 

 

1) Prices in the GE change so if all the alchers buy for the lowest price and all the fletchers sell for the lowest price, problem solved.

 

 

 

Incorrect, yew longs are hard-capped at a minimum price of 704, which is 11/12 of their high alch value. Most items have a hard cap price floor of either 11/12 their high alch value, or their (high alch value - price of nature rune), whichever is higher. Apparently Jagex hates mass alching.