What if Iran attacked U.S?

[Zonorhc]

So my question is, what IF Iran openly and admittedly attacked US troops. Would you want us to Invade Iran?

 

 

 

Iran gets turned into a glass parking lot.

[darkmage099]

@Assassin

 

 

 

You agree with the war in Afghanistan but disagree with it in Iraq. However, most of the war was fought in Iraq. How does that play out to your feelings of America.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and, fyi: Osama still hasn't been caught...after all this.

[assassin_696]

You agree with the war in Afghanistan but disagree with it in Iraq. However, most of the war was fought in Iraq. How does that play out to your feelings of America.

 

 

 

It depends what you mean by "the war". The war in Iraq I suppose was pitched as a logical extension of the war in Afghanistan, but I doubt the motives were the same. I disagree with going to war with Iraq for non-existent WMD's or for oil, and also because, sad as it may be for the Iraqi people who suffered under Hussein, a non-overtly fundamentalist dictatorship in Iraq was the only thing keeping it stable. As soon as that collapsed it was inevitable that the two rival religious parties would try and seize power, with the rest of the middle east paying far too much active interest.

 

 

 

That said, now that the damage is done I feel that it's important that America should stay as long as is necessary to try and enforce at least some level of stability. Stability will always be fragile, but it's in America's interests to try and at least maintain it for now.

[InkofDeath]

America may have troops sent through-out the world, then again there is a good 230million residents in the U.S. who own at least a gun, and then most of them who would probably defend themselves with anything they can get their hands on. Can't invade the U.S. without mass casualties on either side.

 

 

 

Attack America on the shorelines, or in the middle of the Atlantic/Pacific would get you killed very quickly.

 

 

 

Improbable in my opinion. :|

[Hydraides]

America may have troops sent through-out the world, then again there is a good 230million residents in the U.S. who own at least a gun, and then most of them who would probably defend themselves with anything they can get their hands on. Can't invade the U.S. without mass casualties on either side.

 

 

 

Attack America on the shorelines, or in the middle of the Atlantic/Pacific would get you killed very quickly.

 

 

 

Improbable in my opinion. :|

 

 

 

They Won't Invade but Iran can still be a Pain in the [wagon] and make life for Americans hard as possible

[reaper88888]

Lol, its more like: 'When Will the Right-Wing Finish Setting the Stage for the Next Oil War?' :roll:

 

 

 

The fake report of nukes are already out, its only a matter of time...

 

 

 

 

 

Just remember, you heard it here first.

 

 

 

Oh, and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, the only reason given for the invasion was the supposed existence of 'chemical weapons', which have still not been found. (Kinda hard to find something that doesn't exist.. :| )

 

 

 

 

 

And, of course;

 

 

 

Operation

 

Iraqi

 

Liberation

[malo2]

Now we already know what Bush and his Administration wants. He wants a dam good excuse to march into Iran for Oil and to make us pay heavy money for it.

that makes the least sense possible, why would the US gov want to pay heavy money for oil?

 

 

 

 

And, of course;

 

 

 

Operation

 

Iraqi

 

Liberation

Get real kid, you sound like Loose Change. Does the government have nothing better to do than to hide cryptic messages so they can quietly tell people what they're up to? Idiots like you depress me.

[user1991]

 

As for America, would they really want to risk another war with a middle eastern nation, costing them billions of dollars of taxpayers money and thousands of American lives,

 

 

 

Wow, deja vu there for a second..

 

 

 

It's not as simple as that. The US people wouldn't want it, the government would. Iranian oil control, middle eastern territory that can help with their continuous middle eastern take over plan, and at the same time instilling fear and demoralisation into the hearts of every citizen, so they will do what they're told and make no fuss about it. Money isn't anything when we're talking about the people who have ultimate control. 20 years down the line they'll own everything, so it doesn't really matter if they lose a few bil for the time being..

 

 

 

that makes the least sense possible, why would the US gov want to pay heavy money for oil?

 

 

 

Because it isn't just about oil. Oil is in fact probably not their primary reason - it's an added bonus but there are plenty other things that are more important to the people who ACTUALLY run the show. Bush is a puppet, look at him - you think HE orchestrated this? Get real.

 

 

 

Ultimately, it's about control. If you're told everyday that there's a foreign country trying to get nukes so they can kill you and your entire family, regardless of whether or not you think it's true, you'll be scared. Fear and demoralisation are the most basic methods used to make people submit their freedoms in the name of "security." I don't know the answers, but I take things how I see them - this is about one thing, ONE - and that is control. We now have the control of two countries in the middle east, and if we invade Iran, that will be three. What next? Saudi Arabia maybe? Nah, they'd cut off our oil. BUT, if we controlled every single other country around them, maybe it'd be a different story. You see what I'm getting at?

 

 

 

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Hah saw this on fukung, thought it was pretty funny.

[malo2]

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As for America, would they really want to risk another war with a middle eastern nation, costing them billions of dollars of taxpayers money and thousands of American lives,

 

 

 

Wow, deja vu there for a second..

 

 

 

It's not as simple as that. The US people wouldn't want it, the government would. Iranian oil control, middle eastern territory that can help with their continuous middle eastern take over plan, and at the same time instilling fear and demoralisation into the hearts of every citizen, so they will do what they're told and make no fuss about it. Money isn't anything when we're talking about the people who have ultimate control. 20 years down the line they'll own everything, so it doesn't really matter if they lose a few bil for the time being..

 

 

 

that makes the least sense possible, why would the US gov want to pay heavy money for oil?

 

 

 

Because it isn't just about oil. Oil is in fact probably not their primary reason - it's an added bonus but there are plenty other things that are more important to the people who ACTUALLY run the show. Bush is a puppet, look at him - you think HE orchestrated this? Get real.

 

 

 

Ultimately, it's about control. If you're told everyday that there's a foreign country trying to get nukes so they can kill you and your entire family, regardless of whether or not you think it's true, you'll be scared. Fear and demoralisation are the most basic methods used to make people submit their freedoms in the name of "security." I don't know the answers, but I take things how I see them - this is about one thing, ONE - and that is control. We now have the control of two countries in the middle east, and if we invade Iran, that will be three. What next? Saudi Arabia maybe? Nah, they'd cut off our oil. BUT, if we controlled every single other country around them, maybe it'd be a different story. You see what I'm getting at?

 

 

 

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Hah saw this on fukung, thought it was pretty funny.

[/hide]I must admit you're the first person to say that bush is a puppet and Iraq was not about 9/11 and actually sound like you know what you're saying. Unlike most others who crap their pants and scream "they just want oil!".

 

 

 

Although I would not jump the wagon so quickly. You still are a nobody to know exactly what is going on in the middle east. Our national security and the troops see things everyday that give them a much better view on the world than a random kid posting on tip.it during his evenings.

[Powman3]

They'll have a flat country with radiation. End of story.

[user1991]

I must admit you're the first person to say that bush is a puppet and Iraq was not about 9/11 and actually sound like you know what you're saying. Unlike most others who crap their pants and scream "they just want oil!".

 

 

 

Although I would not jump the wagon so quickly. You still are a nobody to know exactly what is going on in the middle east. Our national security and the troops see things everyday that give them a much better view on the world than a random kid posting on tip.it during his evenings.

 

 

 

That's true, but I did say that I "don't know all the answers." Admittedly, it's just speculation - however there is little doubt in my mind that this war is not for the stated reason. I may be wrong, but It will take a lot to convince me. It just, doesn't seem to fit. People in the US aren't stupid, especially not the people who actually make decisions (not the people you see on TV), and therefore, I think it is extremely unlikely that if their agenda is what they say it is (combatting terrorism) they would have taken this route. There would have been much better courses of action, and you don't just come to a decision like that overnight. Because of that, as well as other reasons, I believe there is an alterior motive.

[malo2]

I just watched the video of the speed boats that were threatening the ships. They looked like they were really asking for it, next time they should just blow them away, otherwise they will never learn and this will drag on forever.

[mrpez]

I have family in Iran, so a war would probably cause a lot of worry. Iran won't be the one to attack America first.

 

 

 

If a Democrat is elected to office in 2008, I doubt America will go to war and will most probably pull out of Iraq. Then again, if a Democrat gets elected we're [bleep]ed if we get attacked.

 

 

 

Slightly off-topic: Some people blame Iranians for 9/11 when they had nothing to do with it, that pisses me off.

[Rebdragon]

Then again, if a Democrat gets elected we're [bleep] if we get attacked.

 

:-s

 

 

 

I may vote Republican... but what?

[mrpez]

Iran gets turned into a glass parking lot.

 

They'll have a flat country with radiation. End of story.

 

 

 

Maturity runs high at Tip.It where the members are clever enough to make jokes about death.

[Rebdragon]

Iran gets turned into a glass parking lot.

 

They'll have a flat country with radiation. End of story.

 

 

 

Maturity runs high at Tip.It where the members are clever enough to make jokes about death.

 

That's not the point.

 

 

 

First, they're jokes [lol'd at Zonorhc's post :P ], chill. Jokes with a lot of truth to them, but jokes none the less. No need to raive about what you think about their maturity for it in such a condescending tone -_-'.

 

 

 

Second, you didn't answer my question with that post. What about a Democrat being president tells you that the US would be "[bleep]ed if we get attacked" by Iran?

[Kashi]

What if Iran attacked U.S?

 

 

 

If Iran, or any other country for that matter, made an open attack on U.S. soil,

 

I believe the government would launch enough nuclear missiles to reduce the entire

 

country to a smouldering pile of ash.

 

 

 

(This is not sarcasm, I am being 100% serious.)

 

 

 

 

 

If there were US soldiers occupying Iran and an attack on those soldiers was officially sanctioned by

 

the Iranian government, I believe the U.S. would invade Iran (in a way this course of action would be

 

both justice and misjustice.)

[Zonorhc]

Maturity runs high at Tip.It where the members are clever enough to make jokes about death.

 

 

 

I know. It's hilarious! Because in no way can humorous euphemisms be used to reflect a portion of the truth in the world, no sir.

 

 

 

Learn to play.

[darkmage099]

America may have troops sent through-out the world, then again there is a good 230million residents in the U.S. who own at least a gun, and then most of them who would probably defend themselves with anything they can get their hands on. Can't invade the U.S. without mass casualties on either side.

 

 

 

Attack America on the shorelines, or in the middle of the Atlantic/Pacific would get you killed very quickly.

 

 

 

Improbable in my opinion. :|

 

 

 

You're an idiot. If anyone attacked the US, it'd be with (nuclear) bombs not guns and tanks. :roll:

[Ginger_Warrior]

Why are we debating whether America would win a war with Iran because of its military? In all the wars America has been in, it has won through economic superiority; in fact the true stats regarding American casualities as a result of war are quite shocking. Even during WWII, when the British, Canadians (and the rest of the Commonwealth) and Americans were fighting alongside each other, the American troops took longer to secure their objectives, and took more casualties along the way.

 

 

 

If America wanted to declare war on Iran, it would win simply by threatening any country with a trade agreement with Iran economic embargoes if it didn't immediately cease those agreements. Ergo, Iran dies through attrition. When you're the world's leading ecnomic powerhouse by a clear mile, that's the sort of power one gets.

 

 

 

Another point that seems to have been eluded is that this little skirmish was in Iranian waters. I was watching the news thinking, satirically, "Yes, how DARE Iran use boats to threaten forgeign battleships that enters its territory. I mean, how unreasonable is THAT?".

[Hydraides]

 

Another point that seems to have been eluded is that this little skirmish was in Iranian waters. I was watching the news thinking, satirically, "Yes, how DARE Iran use boats to threaten forgeign battleships that enters its territory. I mean, how unreasonable is THAT?".

 

 

 

True, Apprently the US has now said the voice may have not been the Iranians (Saying we will blow you up) :shock: .

[malo2]

Another point that seems to have been eluded is that this little skirmish was in Iranian waters. I was watching the news thinking, satirically, "Yes, how DARE Iran use boats to threaten forgeign battleships that enters its territory. I mean, how unreasonable is THAT?".

It's not like the U.S has completely sealed off all Iranian waters even from itself and is aiming nukes at anyone who sets even a toe inside. They were patrolling, and common sense tells you not to come near a military ship, they had plenty of room swim in their cute little bathing suits in the rest of hundreds of miles of water.

[assassin_696]

 

As for America, would they really want to risk another war with a middle eastern nation, costing them billions of dollars of taxpayers money and thousands of American lives,

 

 

 

Wow, deja vu there for a second..

 

 

 

It's not as simple as that. The US people wouldn't want it, the government would. Iranian oil control, middle eastern territory that can help with their continuous middle eastern take over plan, and at the same time instilling fear and demoralisation into the hearts of every citizen, so they will do what they're told and make no fuss about it. Money isn't anything when we're talking about the people who have ultimate control. 20 years down the line they'll own everything, so it doesn't really matter if they lose a few bil for the time being.

 

 

 

I appreciate that, but it's also an election year, and although Bush hasn't got anything to lose because he isn't a candidate, going to war again isn't going to put his party in a good light. And any democrat that gets elected would be likely to withdraw troops straight away anyway.

 

 

 

The second half of your argument confused me, what do you mean they'll own everything in 20 years time?

[Ginger_Warrior]

Another point that seems to have been eluded is that this little skirmish was in Iranian waters. I was watching the news thinking, satirically, "Yes, how DARE Iran use boats to threaten forgeign battleships that enters its territory. I mean, how unreasonable is THAT?".

It's not like the U.S has completely sealed off all Iranian waters even from itself and is aiming nukes at anyone who sets even a toe inside. They were patrolling, and common sense tells you not to come near a military ship, they had plenty of room swim in their cute little bathing suits in the rest of hundreds of miles of water.

 

That's irrelevant and you know it.

 

 

 

Those US ships had absolutely no right to be there in the first place. If they were trying to secure the waters of neighbouring countries, then of course that's a sensible thing to do, but they should have kept within the naval borders of those countries. The US has no Right of Passage agreement with Iran and should therefore not have been in Iranian waters in the first place.

[Our_Moon]

~The United States has enough nuclear weapons to destroy not only Iran, but probably every city with over 500,000 people in the world, and then some.~

 

 

 

~It wouldn't be much of a war. We could probably take them out in a few months, and take over.~