Obesity and Airlines

[speedofsound]

If you read my other post, you would've known what I meant.

 

 

 

 

They just decide that there's no point to lose weight if having weight doesn't penalize them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you mean having weight doesn't penalize people? Your body is going to hell and emotionally, it's hard for a lot of people. Many overweight people are depressed, which leads to more weight gain.

[warren211]

I for one would not like to be jammed between a window and an excessively large person. Or else add some larger seats at the back of the plane for the obese. Its not liek they're discriminating. they're not saying "ewwwww you're fat. gtfo my plane". no, they're saying "your size is making other passengers complain. we want proper space for every passenger". a lot of obese people (NOT all of them) are just unwilling to start losing weight and expect the world to be changed to fit their needs. for most handicapped people its not their fault they're handicapped. for most obese people, its because of their habits that they're obese (then there's the small population that gets it from heredity, or so they say. But I really doubt many people got an extra 200 pounds from their parents). you can't compare the two unless someone is handicapped because of their obesity, in which case its usually still their fault anyway. next thing you know, six flags will be sued for telling excessivly large guests they can't fit on a ride seat.

[bloodyhatchetbear]

To be honest, I think people who do consider it a form of disability to get off their duffs and lose the weight.

 

 

 

The reason I say this is because my older brother is a perfect example of this: 5'5", 500lbs, and is now on disability because he as leg problems due to his size. If more people lost the weight to get to a healthier size (I don't mean super-model skinny, but maybe under 250) then these issues would never come up.

 

 

 

I'm going to add something to my first post....

 

 

 

My brother (mentioned in the quote) has absolutely no motivation to lose weight. He gets paid by the US government to sit on his fat lazy behind and play XBox all day. This is why we need more policies like the Airlines have, so that people like my brother have a reason to lose weight.

 

 

 

BTW Goddess, I love that one really long post... It makes perfect sense to me... Try scooting around a person that big when he lives with you. (thank gods he moved to Florida.. yay for 1000 miles distance)

 

 

 

EDIT - I need to add something. My mother is large. I am large. But my brother is more than double the two of us. If you put me and my mother together, it wouldn't equal my brother. Heredity? I think not.

[RichieMcD]

However, you guys are not looking at the actual price of these tickets. 400 dollars for a flight? 800 for a fat person? It just doesn't seem fair. If it was a bus and a fat man had to pay 40 cents more, then sure its not too bad. But four hundred dollars? Its a bit too much and is that enough money to cover the extra stress on the engine? For each fat person? If its an extra twenty or thirty dollars then I'll alright with it, but you're basically paying double if you're fat.

 

 

 

If they take up to seats why should the airline charge them for one? Why should the airline lose money since their just a bunch of lazy [wagon] [cabbage]s. If it's in your genes then you work your [wagon] off to stay skinny. My 2 cousins both have Obese genes but since they were kids they've remained active and worked their [wagon] off to stay healthy and skinny. I couldn't give a flying [cabbage] about it being "fair", they take up 2 seats, why should the airline charge for 1 and lose money on the other? Now thats unfair

[Barihawk]

Not to mention being very unfair to the person who paid FULL PRICE to have the seat you are taking up half of.

[deloriagod]

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a motivation problem, it's logistical. I don't think a person that obese can begin exercising without the aide of another person, which is not always available.

 

 

 

There are actually centers in the US for obese people who cannot do things on their own. There was a show about it but I don't think it lasted long. Basically, the obese people would be transported there, given a strict diet, then once they were able to move on their own they would begin exercising until they were healthy enough to go home. Of course, there were some that would continue to eat way too much because the center wouldn't force them to stay on their diet.

 

 

 

If people don't want to go to these centers, I think they should hire a personal trainer. He/she would simply help with a more healthy diet, help with exercise, and motivate them to keep going.

 

 

 

So it's not like these people can't get help. It's just that they don't want to get help then we have to listen to them cry about people staring at them or having to pay for all the extra seats they fill up on an airplane. It's [cabbage] imo.

[limpbizkit]

That's not what I was getting at. It's not a motivation problem, it's logistical. I don't think a person that obese can begin exercising without the aide of another person, which is not always available.

 

 

 

There are actually centers in the US for obese people who cannot do things on their own. There was a show about it but I don't think it lasted long. Basically, the obese people would be transported there, given a strict diet, then once they were able to move on their own they would begin exercising until they were healthy enough to go home. Of course, there were some that would continue to eat way too much because the center wouldn't force them to stay on their diet.

 

 

 

If people don't want to go to these centers, I think they should hire a personal trainer. He/she would simply help with a more healthy diet, help with exercise, and motivate them to keep going.

 

 

 

So it's not like these people can't get help. It's just that they don't want to get help then we have to listen to them cry about people staring at them or having to pay for all the extra seats they fill up on an airplane. It's [cabbage] imo.

 

 

 

A personal trainer is far from cheap.

 

The centers are .. come out your fat again.

 

 

 

You stated two useless points.

[highlanders]

A personal trainer is far from cheap.

 

The centers are .. come out your fat again.

 

 

 

You stated two useless points.

 

 

If they can't even afford to take care of themselves, then why are they even going on a vacation? Going out of the country is expensive, and it's not like they need to do it or that it's unfair if they don't. Life is unfair. We're not going to start giving out free seating place to people just because their life is miserable.

[limpbizkit]

A personal trainer is far from cheap.

 

The centers are .. come out your fat again.

 

 

 

You stated two useless points.

 

 

If they can't even afford to take care of themselves, then why are they even going on a vacation? Going out of the country is expensive, and it's not like they need to do it or that it's unfair if they don't. Life is unfair. We're not going to start giving out free seating place to people just because their life is miserable.

 

 

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

America should stop [bleep]ing about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

 

 

Really tedious that most they do is complain .. Yes I understand if they dont want to do anything about it ... but at the costs ... I don't bloody blame them ..

[highlanders]

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

Nope, I don't. I do that outrageously expensive thing called walking outside.

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

And free plane tickets are going to help them how exactly? Hookers in amsterdam before they die from multisystem organ failure?

[limpbizkit]

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

Nope, I don't. I do that outrageously expensive thing called walking outside.

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

And free plane tickets are going to help them how exactly? Hookers in amsterdam before they die from multisystem organ failure?

 

 

 

Exercise alone does nothing.

 

You missed my point. I was on about free support groups/dietitians etc.

[highlanders]

 

Exercise alone does nothing.

 

 

They're going to die out of loneliness while walking on the streets. So sad... Lol, but seriously, why don't you just say it instead of making a vague statement: Obese people don't know how to eat and they need information? Here give this link to all your poor obese buddies: http://www.naturalnews.com/

 

 

 

 

You missed my point. I was on about free support groups/dietitians etc.

 

 

Yeah...and how does that relate to what this thread is talking about? It's not the airlines' fault if the damn obeses refuse to walk.

[deloriagod]

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

Nope, I don't. I do that outrageously expensive thing called walking outside.

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

And free plane tickets are going to help them how exactly? Hookers in amsterdam before they die from multisystem organ failure?

 

 

 

Exercise alone does nothing.

 

You missed my point. I was on about free support groups/dietitians etc.

 

 

 

The US gov't is terrible when it comes to spending money. There's no way there are going to be free help groups and such unless private organizations put them together.

 

 

 

Also, I know the cost of a personal trainer considering I had one for a few months. Last I knew he was in Florida trying out for the NFL so I haven't seen him in a while, but staying in shape is easy if you you have a damn brain.

[Giordano]

Just a note before we continue on: I changed my mind about the subject, and agree for the double ticket. Some good examples were used and makes more sense than mine. So stop quoting my previous posts. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

Nope, I don't. I do that outrageously expensive thing called walking outside.

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

And free plane tickets are going to help them how exactly? Hookers in amsterdam before they die from multisystem organ failure?

 

 

 

Exercise alone does nothing.

 

You missed my point. I was on about free support groups/dietitians etc.

 

They are things on the internet that informs and explains how to maintain a balanced diet. All a dieter does is tell you in real life. Plus, getting a trainer doesn't instantly make you work, it is up to the indiviual's own will. Those who are determined won't need an expensive trainer. All the information is on the internet or the library and the food in your local grocery store.

[ember3579]

Alright, just for clarification. My family tree is predisposed for being fat, among other things. I'm currently around 210 pounds (don't really look like it, though :thumbsup: ). If at some point I grow to the point where I take up 2 seats, I will VOLUNTEER to pay for 2, whether the company has that policy or not. Also, while my area isn't exactly the best for exercise, I can still keep a decent size. It's NOT THAT HARD. As has been said previously, chances are that if you're big enough to take up 2 seats, you're too damn lazy to get up off your lardass, walk around the block for a couple minutes every morning, and trade the Cheeto's for an apple. If you can't be bothered to do that, then you shouldn't be catered to as if you're royalty. That is all. :wall:

 

 

 

And IgoddessI, that was a good post, no matter what anyone else says. =D> I think you're gonna be a damn good mother. We NEED more people with as much balls and common sense as you have.

[VjuliusT]

Ignoring any other posts except the first one.

 

 

 

I say they have the right, easily.

 

 

 

I mean if you take up 1.1-2 seats you should pay for 2 seats and nothing else and it's not a disease (Most cases) it's just their own fault not taking care of their body.

[speedofsound]

Nobody reads posts anymore, do they?

 

Like I said in a earlier post, you don't know the reason for a person being obese, or the situation they are in. It's insane how people will judge someone before knowing anything about them.

 

 

 

Damn, now I'm feeling really cynical...

[Dizzle229]

Then maybe they have to learn to cope with it (I'm not going to say get over it). We all have problems and we learn to deal with them and maybe they should take control of their lives. There are a lot worse problems than being obese and maybe they need to get help if they can't control themselves.

 

 

 

I'm not trying to be to harsh but obesity is supposed to be the least of our problems which it isn't. I blame companies like McDonalds and KFC and Burger King etc. for not caring about the customers health and only about the money. Sadly, that's our American capitalist ways :(

 

 

 

 

 

It is not the fast food companies fault. They are trying to make money. They will not, at any point, MAKE you eat their food. You have a CHOICE. Same goes with tobacco companies.

[highlanders]

Alright, just for clarification. My family tree is predisposed for being fat, among other things.

 

 

 

Nobody reads posts anymore, do they?

 

Like I said in a earlier post, you don't know the reason for a person being obese, or the situation they are in. It's insane how people will judge someone before knowing anything about them.

 

 

 

 

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Life is unfair. We're not going to start giving out free seating place to people just because their life is miserable.

 

 

 

If you want to give free seating to obese people, then you'll have to start giving it to people with cancer, people who've been abused, and so on.

 

 

 

Really, it's a single mathematical question. If their damn butts take up two seats, they pay for it. It's sad and all if it's a disease or genetics that they have no control over, but life's unfair, deal with it. Most of them are fat because of their own fault.

[IGoddessI]

Like I said in a earlier post, you don't know the reason for a person being obese, or the situation they are in. It's insane how people will judge someone before knowing anything about them.

 

 

 

I've already said in an earlier post as well if it's a medical reason, you shouldn't be allowed to pay for two seats. For people who can't stop shoving hamburgers in their gob for lunch every day, pay the price! You're complaining about the cost of taking up two seats, wow try adding up the cost to evacuate your body out of your bed and have a custom made coffin! Who do think that is going to affect speed? And I don't judge someone before knowing anything about them, just because some obese person is sitting next to me doesn't mean they necessarily eat themselves to death! And even if I do think the coughing, wheezing person eating 2 mega pop corns to himself is disgusting, it isn't my final thought, people change my mind all the time but it is my first impression.

 

 

 

A personal trainer is far from cheap.

 

The centers are .. come out your fat again.

 

 

 

You stated two useless points.

 

 

 

My partner lost 50 kilos, that's nearly 100 pounds in a couple of months. How much did he spend? $0 he actually made money by buying healthier food instead of crap. He walked, ran every day and drank water instead of soda. Wow, that was really pointless and expensive... :roll:

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

 

 

I don't think a person that obese can begin exercising without the aide of another person, which is not always available.

 

 

 

If my aforementioned post doesn't cut it for you enough...Behavioural therapy for christ sake, if it's that freaking bad to the point that you can't control yourself GET HELP! Free counselling is around everywhere, just as you can learn a behaviour like putting food constantly in your mouth and never exercising you can unlearn it.

 

 

 

Free counselling is literally everywhere, if you actually decided to help yourself and get off your [wagon] to look, you might find that it's quite easily and readily available.

 

 

 

The internet - the same advice as a personal trainer there is also magazines to buy about healthy lifestyles. Cut the KFC out of your lunch that week and you've just paid for it.

 

 

 

The way you think affects the way you look on the outside. If you keep crying, why me, why me, why me your outside is going to look the same. If you can look in a mirror and say hey, I have a problem but I believe that I deserve to lose weight, a magical thing happens... Your outside decides it wants to cooperate when you give it what it deserves.

 

 

 

Yes many people are depressed because they are obese but within saying that, many people are depressed because of the food they put in their mouth to get that way.

 

 

 

My final conclusion - People who want help -> get help -> change their way of thinking -> changes way of eating -> increased energy for exercise -> leads to results -> results leads to wanting to repeat the behaviour -> you become more positive -> your self esteem improves -> you become a whole new person who is both healthy and happy.

 

 

 

People who make excuses -> find excuses not to get help -> more negative thoughts -> goes to the fridge to eat more food -> it creates a comfort zone/ lack of energy to try new things -> leads to worse results -> results that make you repeat the behaviour cycle -> you become more negative -> your self esteem gets worse -> you become a whole new person who is now very unhealthy and very unhappy.

 

 

 

PROOF - That your thoughts alone can change your behaviour. Cut the personal trainer crap - All you need is a whole new thinking process. This has been proven on many reality tv shows where people have been over 200 kg. Dr Phil as an example. One super obese guy cut out the ice cream, the soda and exercised in his arm chair before he could move! Lost over 130 kilos!

 

 

 

 

 

At the end of the day life speaks for itself and not only just in weight - people who make excuses get the same result, the same result, the same result and stay stuck in the position they're in. Bills, bills, bills, debt, debt, debt, food, food, food.

 

 

 

People who snap out of that mind frame, the sky is the limit - They're the people who go okay, I can't find anything right now to help me but I'm not giving up, there has to be a way and I'm going to find a way. I deserve the best in life and I'm sure as hell going to find it.

 

 

 

If life was easy, everyone would succeed. Struggles are just what people need or if they went straight to the top without learning these things, they would fall.

[rushrock]

Make them pay for their lifestyle. That's a great idea. It makes sense on all levels, to charge obese people to pay more for plane rides.

 

 

 

Changing yourself doesn't have to be very hard. Unless there's a medical condition, in which case one should go to a hospital and get some suggestions from specialists, eat right and exercise.

[RichieMcD]

Make them pay for their lifestyle. That's a great idea. It makes sense on all levels, to charge obese people to pay more for plane rides.

 

 

 

Changing yourself doesn't have to be very hard. Unless there's a medical condition, in which case one should go to a hospital and get some suggestions from specialists, eat right and exercise.

 

 

 

You don't need a specialist to tell you you're fat and what the solutions are, you can find guides on good diets and good exercise plans all over the internet, it's really just down to plain laziness and lack of will power in most cases.

[Randox]

Well, if I got stuck beside some large person who was taking up part of my seat i'd be rightly PO'ed. It's bad enough on city buses without being stuck beside someone on a long plane trip whos rear end is forcing me to move to one side of my seat. Its embarising, and they could consider some obese seating, but since I am not fat, I don't feel that I should suffer for the obese people.

 

 

 

Think about this. How would you like to be stuck between to people who are each taking up at least 3 inches of your seat. Im pretty thin, but that would still leave me about 2 inches shourt of room and theres nothing like rear ends being pressed up against each other when your all stangers.

[rushrock]

You don't need a specialist to tell you you're fat and what the solutions are, you can find guides on good diets and good exercise plans all over the internet, it's really just down to plain laziness and lack of will power in most cases.

 

I meant medical conditions, like diabetes.

[jackattack]

 

Same for you .. Know the cost of a personal trainer .. And how long youd have to have one for? no.

 

Nope, I don't. I do that outrageously expensive thing called walking outside.

 

 

 

America should stop [bleep] about these people and get of there arse and offer FREE and DESCENT help or shut the hell up.

 

And free plane tickets are going to help them how exactly? Hookers in amsterdam before they die from multisystem organ failure?

 

 

 

Exercise alone does nothing.

 

You missed my point. I was on about free support groups/dietitians etc.

 

 

 

You don't need a dietitian to lose weight. Its not that complicated. The less food you shove down your throat the more weight you will lose.