What is wrong with "buying" skills?

[langer]

One year bump. :o

 

 

 

While I do not have 99 range (90) I feel that it is a bit unfair that I put forth so much effort ranging for so many hours with bronze/iron bolts while others can simply spend money to get the skill up incredibly fast. Granted I am a non-member so I am limited in all skills in similar ways and I don't really mind the disavantages, but when it gets to the point where people can do in a week what once took months to achieve, the highscores become no longer an accurate gauge of achievement or effort in my eyes.

 

 

 

What is the achievement if you train inefficiently? You find it unfair that there are people who don't want to train with second rate items?

 

If you value achievement by the time spent, it's your choice. My view on the subject is : more time = you are not doing it the right (best) way.

[Kenshinjapan]

One year bump. :o

 

 

 

While I do not have 99 range (90) I feel that it is a bit unfair that I put forth so much effort ranging for so many hours with bronze/iron bolts while others can simply spend money to get the skill up incredibly fast. Granted I am a non-member so I am limited in all skills in similar ways and I don't really mind the disavantages, but when it gets to the point where people can do in a week what once took months to achieve, the highscores become no longer an accurate gauge of achievement or effort in my eyes.

 

 

 

What is the achievement if you train inefficiently? You find it unfair that there are people who don't want to train with second rate items?

 

If you value achievement by the time spent, it's your choice. My view on the subject is : more time = you are not doing it the right (best) way.

 

 

 

I don't believe you worded that very well. While I agree with what you said, I don't think that a certain training method shouldn't be trained just because it is not as efficient as a boring way of getting xp. But then again, that's probably getting more into the fun factor of playing a game.

[langer]

One year bump. :o

 

 

 

While I do not have 99 range (90) I feel that it is a bit unfair that I put forth so much effort ranging for so many hours with bronze/iron bolts while others can simply spend money to get the skill up incredibly fast. Granted I am a non-member so I am limited in all skills in similar ways and I don't really mind the disavantages, but when it gets to the point where people can do in a week what once took months to achieve, the highscores become no longer an accurate gauge of achievement or effort in my eyes.

 

 

 

What is the achievement if you train inefficiently? You find it unfair that there are people who don't want to train with second rate items?

 

If you value achievement by the time spent, it's your choice. My view on the subject is : more time = you are not doing it the right (best) way.

 

 

 

I don't believe you worded that very well. While I agree with what you said, I don't think that a certain training method shouldn't be trained just because it is not as efficient as a boring way of getting xp. But then again, that's probably getting more into the fun factor of playing a game.

 

 

 

NJE03 was saying that he felt his achievements, through poor training methods, were put on the same level as those with the same XP that did it through efficient training and it bothered him/her. From my point of view, he/she was suggesting efficient training methods should be considered less of an achievement.

 

The highscore shows how many experience points you have in a skill today. Whatever time it took you getting there or the methods used, the end result is the same.

 

 

 

I never said there should only be a way to play the game.

[cahal87]

The reason I got 99 range was because it was my favourite skill and I enjoyed training it - I didn't get it as an accomplishment - I got it because I want to. The point I was trying to make is a lot of people just get it for a 99 - thus making it "worthless".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't "want" 99 range - I got there by training a skill I enjoyed. If people (Such as muggi) get 99 range because they're going to use it - then fair enough, but it's people who get 99 range just to go along with their fletching and cooking capes.

 

 

 

So you did want it or didn't?

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see any problem with buying skills. Its something I doubt I'll ever be able to do as I keep a pretty low amount of gold on me, but if I could I definitely would.

[teethareknives]

Unless you bought the account -

 

no worries.

 

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[walka92]

The reason I got 99 range was because it was my favourite skill and I enjoyed training it - I didn't get it as an accomplishment - I got it because I want to. The point I was trying to make is a lot of people just get it for a 99 - thus making it "worthless".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't "want" 99 range - I got there by training a skill I enjoyed. If people (Such as muggi) get 99 range because they're going to use it - then fair enough, but it's people who get 99 range just to go along with their fletching and cooking capes.

 

 

 

So you did want it or didn't?

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see any problem with buying skills. Its something I doubt I'll ever be able to do as I keep a pretty low amount of gold on me, but if I could I definitely would.

im guessing he meant that he didnt actively work to get the skill to 99, it just happened via his day to day activities. he didnt do, as so many do, and sit at firegiants for weeks throwing knives or shooting them with bolts, or spending a few days throwing hamsters at skeletons, but just doing stuff he finds fun because he enjoys the skills

[Reztral]

I don't think there is anything wrong with buying skills. Like you said, the money had to come from somewhere and it probably took alot of time to get the money.

[stormveritas]

Buying skills destroys the "apples to apples" comparison when it comes to achievements, but at the expense of wealth. To each his own, so long as you don't short change the non-buyers.

[PastyGangsta]

Buying a skill isn't that bad considering that at one point that money had to be earned. Whether by luck or from other skills

 

 

 

Unless of course you won all of it at a drop party, then brag endlessly about it. Then you can just stuff it up your... nevermind.

[Troacctid]

Buying a skill isn't that bad considering that at one point that money had to be earned. Whether by luck or from other skills

 

 

 

Unless of course you won all of it at a drop party, then brag endlessly about it. Then you can just stuff it up your... nevermind.

 

But people never really think of it that way. People see a firemaking cape and think, "Oh, he just bought that cape." They're not thinking, "That stupid lucksack must have gotten a red mask hat in a drop party and sold it for yew logs."

[Central_Keeper]

I think the distinction is really blurred for buying a skill. For example, if people think that buying something and doing it repetitively is not consider it a "true" achievement, then other skills would be greatly affected by it.

 

 

 

Just how people used to say fletching, cooking, fire making, crafting, and even prayer or smith is easy enough if you just buy the materials and keep working on it.

 

 

 

The most obvious one is probably cooking and firemaking. Now people could justify it by saying I cooked all the fish I got myself from fishing 99 instead of buying it from GE. Or getting the FM 99 with all the logs you cut, but since validating those skill is hard enough in the first place, I don't think those skill will ever escape their stereotypical "easy" to train nature.

 

 

 

I am sure most people get prayer 99 through buying bones and use altar with them (I am not sure since I am F2P, big bones or bones only), but I really doubt not alot of people will enjoy killing enough monsters, maybe dragons to get their prayer 99.

 

 

 

Again, with all the cash that some of other skills generate, you might as well dump most of it either in rares, or skills. Otherwise, getting all that money in the first place without spending it in the first place proves kind of pointless.

[All_Is_Great]

As long as the money was earned through legit ways, I will respect the people who buy their skill capes.

 

 

 

Non-legit ways in my eyes include:

 

76king

 

RWT

 

price manipulating

 

 

 

and to lesser extents:

 

Some person had a phat and quit, came back and now worth hundreds of millions.

[SwreeTak]

Nothing is wrong with buying skills. Time is money so when you spend your money on getting level up in skills it's just another form of time that you spend.

[Yosonic]

If you earned the money, I dont see whats wrong with a ~buyable~ skill. You earned the money, so who says what you can and cannot spend it on...

[Atom Smash40]

theres nothing wrong with buying skills. infact, thats the easiest and most efficient way to get 99. but "buying skills" has become synonomous (sp?) with "buying a 99" meaning it is general belief that most people who buy skills buy the easy/cheap ones (fm/fletch/cook) just because they want a 99 cape on their back. and that is mostly true. and thats what we look down on; not the fact the people spend money to get 99, but the fact that they put down very little on a "throwaway" skill because they want a 99 cape to "show off"

[Lap]

I'm currently killing Avianses until level 90 range, at which point I will have 30m which I will then use to get 99 via Chinchompas. So no, I have no problem with buying skills knowing that I earned my money in order to do so.

[s1reatalot]

If you have endless money, you still can't literally "BUY" skills, you need to grind the items you buy with the money, I hate the expression because you AREN'T really buying skills, just doing the slighty quicker route.

[Robert_R]

If you have endless money, you still can't literally "BUY" skills, you need to grind the items you buy with the money, I hate the expression because you AREN'T really buying skills, just doing the slighty quicker route.

 

I agree with you completely, I hate the term "buying skills" you can't actually buy the skill itself. You buy the materials for the skill and train it, it's just a faster way for a higher cost.

[UnderTheRunes]

I find it feels much more rewarding to have worked for the skill but thats just me

[Maleficus1055]

I know what you mean, but everyone knows when someone walks into a group wearing an untrimmed cooking or fletching skill cape untrimmed, they know that they just wanted a skill cape, something that they could get cheaply and quickly!

 

 

 

This is why people frown apon it. If you see someone wearing the Attk, Str, def, HP cape, you know they had to put in the effort.

 

 

 

Now, people just alc for 99 Magic, use chins for 99 range and all the shortcuts just to get a skill cape as fast as they can, and as little effort as possible, remember, this is a Cape of Accomplishment, not cape of stilling waiting for some lobbies to cook, you don't even need to click!

 

A friend of mine is making ever single rune he needs to get to 99 Magic, not buying them along with some logs, he is 76 RuneCrafting and i know how many hours he sits in the ess mine, then running to the alters making ever rune, now that is a guy who deserved a Cape of Accomplishment.

 

 

 

I have an untrimmed Cooking cape, but I didn't get it for a quick 99, I got it because I like the skill and I can train it with my friends and i love the capes color. Also, you say alching to 99 mage is a shortcut, but it really is one of the "slow" methods of todays magic and requires a lot of attention.

[redstarmafia]

If you have the money do what you want. I saved just under 20 mil from fishing, and training and then selling my resources. So this money that I worked for can now be used to make training another skill more efficient. One way or another you earned the skill.

[Sir_Kurity]

Nothing wrong with it.

 

 

 

You earned the money, and its not as if you don't have to grind the skill once you do have the items.

[Tim]

I'm mixed on this, I don't care how you got your levels, but if you spent a lot of money on it just for 99 and then attempt to brag at me, naturally your just a useless piece of garbage. It's like someone going up to me "lol, your herblore is only 62, I'm a level 90 and im already at 96." naturally I'll think of you as nothing more then a piece of trash who needed money only just to make himself look better. (If you have never had over 10m in 7 years of playing you'd understand very well)

 

 

 

[Points at RSW] you cant say you agree with your post on the first page now, since your rolling in the millions. :roll:

[Troacctid]

I'm mixed on this, I don't care how you got your levels, but if you spent a lot of money on it just for 99 and then attempt to brag at me, naturally your just a useless piece of garbage. It's like someone going up to me "lol, your herblore is only 62, I'm a level 90 and im already at 96." naturally I'll think of you as nothing more then a piece of trash who needed money only just to make himself look better. (If you have never had over 10m in 7 years of playing you'd understand very well)

 

 

 

[Points at RSW] you cant say you agree with your post on the first page now, since your rolling in the millions. :roll:

 

This has nothing to do with whether or not you spend money on a skill, though.

[Guest]

This is definantly a case of TIME over MONEY. That's a great example of ranging. Why waste 200 hours of possible money making time on a skill for the same amount of xp, Yes you "lose" (eg.) 12mill in doing so, but in that 200 hours you save..Well you could make a tonne more than 12mill.

 

 

 

The only time I disagree with "buying" skills would be when you see someone with a FM cape trying to trim it with 99 cooking. No respect for that.