What is wrong with "buying" skills?

[BoD]

the whole point of buying skills is pretty much relating directly to cooking and fletching

 

 

 

its not buying the 99 that is a problem to most people, its just those who buy their skills want the same respect as someone who has done it the old fashioned way or just want a 99 for no good reason but to show it off.

[bbjoe282]

I really dont have a problem with it, its really just a matter of jealousy like many have stated before.

 

 

 

the only 2 capes that show real skill to me now are the fire cape and the quest cape. Both demonstrate the ability to not stand in one place and left + right click over and over again.

 

 

 

wow... way to miss the point. becides with the fire cape you can just read a guide also with ALL of the quests.

[muggiwhplar]

I think mrpez is one of those people who likes to do it all for himself, But im sure if he had the option of saving himself alot of time(Afew days/ weeks) at the cost of 5M he would.

 

 

 

Pez was just being sarcastic as always lol

[Viv]

nothing is wrong with buying skills if you have the money....

 

 

 

most of the time its not the cape but the wanting of a 99 its always nice to complete a 99 and the ones you buy are generally really fast and serve as a break from slower skills usually they spent awhile getting the money anyway and sometimes they even sell most of thier bank to get a certain 99! :thumbsup:

[beud4500]

I don't think buying skills is wrong...

 

 

 

If you have the ability, time and will to make the money, which can take quite a long time unless you are already skilled or lucky (I dont think thats easy to get or find), you gotta get something out of it, a reward of some sort and most likely its the ability to spend it and that will most likely be on items or skills. For those people who are rich already and didn't work for the money for the skills, they had to work for it somehow, sometime before.. its not rl where you could start existance already rich, its runescape.

 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with buying skills, its just that for some reason it mocks those who actually trained it up instead of spending a wad of cash and getting it up, or doing a minigame for it (farming n Vinesweeper), or using guides for it (quest, lava)...

 

 

 

Different respect earned, thats what it comes to, for some reason most people respect those who have worked hard to train up their skill more then those who 'bought' it. Only issue is how you can't tell the difference because the achievement cape looks the same for everyone with one.

 

 

 

So there should be like 2-3 types of every cape, one that says 'I got this 99 skill by working for it' and one that says 'I bought this 99 skill' and for some of the capes 'I only used a minigame for this'. For the quest and lava cape there would be the 'I used a guide for this' and 'no guides! in your face!'. If this is put to reality, then maybe people will stop the comments 'all you did was spend a load of cash for it', 'you did it with a guide', 'you just no-lifed a minigame'. See then we would have peace with each other because then we could know who to respect more when we see their capes...

 

 

 

Yah..nothing wrong with buying skills...

[BoD]

 

 

 

So there should be like 2-3 types of every cape, one that says 'I got this 99 skill by working for it' and one that says 'I bought this 99 skill' and for some of the capes 'I only used a minigame for this'. For the quest and lava cape there would be the 'I used a guide for this' and 'no guides! in your face!'. If this is put to reality, then maybe people will stop the comments 'all you did was spend a load of cash for it', 'you did it with a guide', 'you just no-lifed a minigame'. See then we would have peace with each other because then we could know who to respect more when we see their capes...

 

 

 

 

 

 

exactly

[foodmanfood1]

There is nothing wrong with buying skills, if you have the money and really want it, you can do whatever you want.

[Gravy]

Good read, enjoyed it all.

 

 

 

I support the fact that cash is there to be earned and spent to the owners will. After all, earning the cash is one of the hard parts.

 

 

 

The 100k off for selling a Berserker Ring etc, I fully see what you're getting at there. I'd never seen the point of just scrounging an extra 100k for the hell of it; wasting a whole hour.

 

 

 

As with "buying" skills, it's nearly impossible to avoid, isn't it?

 

 

 

Overall, good read, support most arguements.

[upthebanner]

Until the December updates and the release of the GE, and as a f2p, I had 15 million in bank. I had 99 mining and intended to spend the 15 mill on steel bars to raise my smithing to 91. However I tried to buy the steel bars at 550 each in the Fally bank with no luck.

 

At that point buying a 99 skill was not an option for me as I could not afford it.

 

Since the GE I now have 130 million, my smithing is level 94, I bought my cooking 99, I have bought about 25 runecrafting levels. In fact I no longer have to bank everything to save money and can afford to drop raw fish for example.

 

My only interest is levelling all skills to 99 in f2p and I will use whatever is the most efficient method.

 

I purchased cooking so that I could drop raw fish without guilt. I made worthless tiaras to become a 9 x assister runecrafter.

 

In conclusion I would say that most skills are buyable (I now range with addy arrows for example) and since money can be made fairly readily there are very few skills that can be wholly respected 99s in f2p. So the skill everyone should train first is the making of money through the GE. I have been playing hardcore since Feb 2006 and hope to achieve all in Feb 2009. Without buyable skills that time would be doubled.

[Robert_de_Sable]

I totally agree. I'm hopefully getting 99 fletching, and sitting at the GE fletching, I've already been told what a noob I am. It's the same goddamn thing as fishing, I'm clicking and waiting. Jesus, it's incredibly annoying.

 

In fact, the other day, some level 107 who had no 99s came up to me and said, and I quote: "wow lol u noob only getting 909 fletching" And yes, he said "909". I said, well, you don't have any 99s, what makes you so much better? He didn't say anything for a while and then he said "but ur a fletch nob". Then I teled. :wall:

[Troacctid]

Honestly, I don't see much "respect" in any skillcape. Level 99 in anything in this game is all just a function of time. People who say stuff like "99 agility is more respectable than 99 fletching because you actually need to work at it," seem to overlook the fact that both of them are just pointing and clicking for hours on end. It's not as if there's any strategy involved. If you have 99 agility, it means you spent a lot of time training agility. It takes exactly the same amount of skill as it does to get to 92 agility, or 91, or 90.

 

 

 

Fletching is actually a much more difficult skill to train in my opinion, because there are more ways to do it. When it comes to agility, all the methods have the same cost and profit, so you just pick the fastest course. With fletching, you can string bows, you can fletch unstrung bows, you can make bolts, you can make arrows; hell, you could even make darts or crossbows. "Faster" is not the same as "easier," or else a lot more people would have thieving capes.

 

 

 

In my opinion, a so-called "bought" skillcape is only bad if the player is mindlessly picking their method, without giving any actual consideration to other ways of training. In other words, real respect isn't owning a cape. Real respect is knowing what you're doing. You get 99 fletching, meh, good for you. You get 99 fletching and write a comprehensive, exhaustively researched guide on how to get 99 fletching, and you get my props. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Likewise, if a player tells me they got 99 fishing at sharks instead of monkfish because they "didn't have all the requirements for the quest," I'll be more like :wall: .

[Zygimantas]

I don't have a problem with buying skills, I just don't respect the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching. Yea, they still cost money and take time but making enough money to buy those skills doesn't take much time ( unless your way of making money is flawed). If you have another 99 like fishing or woodcutting I respect the 99 more becuase you can actually get the supplies yourself. Yea, all runescape skills have the same basics, (click and wait) but some take alot more time and patience then others. I respect the more expenisive buyable skills like herblore, crafting and construction, because getting the money takes more time and it simply doesn't make sense gathering everything for 99 herblore or crafting because it takes too long. Most people get 99 fletching, cooking and firemaking just for the cape. I also don't respect that because they are not haveing fun and grinding a skill they don't even like. Yes, some people enjoy getting thier level ups and xp ( like me), but whats the point of getting a 99 that you don't like and so much people have, other then getting a skill cape. I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy easy and fast skills, i'm just saying that I don't respect them. You should play the game how you like, its one of the things that makes runescape a fun game. :

[Troacctid]

I don't have a problem with buying skills, I just don't respect the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching. Yea, they still cost money and take time but making enough money to buy those skills doesn't take much time ( unless your way of making money is flawed). If you have another 99 like fishing or woodcutting I respect the 99 more becuase you can actually get the supplies yourself. Yea, all runescape skills have the same basics, (click and wait) but some take alot more time and patience then others. I respect the more expenisive buyable skills like herblore, crafting and construction, because getting the money takes more time and it simply doesn't make sense gathering everything for 99 herblore or crafting because it takes too long. Most people get 99 fletching, cooking and firemaking just for the cape. I also don't respect that because they are not haveing fun and grinding a skill they don't even like. Yes, some people enjoy getting thier level ups and xp ( like me), but whats the point of getting a 99 that you don't like and so much people have, other then getting a skill cape. I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy easy and fast skills, i'm just saying that I don't respect them. You should play the game how you like, its one of the things that makes runescape a fun game. :

 

When you say "the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching," are there any others that you were specifically thinking of? *coughthievingcoughisntbuyablecough*

[jaskkes]

I've been partial to the whole spending money for 99s sort of agreement because when before I couldn't earn the money for it, and I saw people at my level getting the levels I wanted quicker I of course got jealous.

 

 

 

Now that im experienced and wiser I believe that its a smart thing to train the fastest (those sentences made no sense)

 

 

 

BUT, the things that I think cause the most jealously (not that I do, it is a game of time not skill anyways) is those people that turn up to iron dragons, kill one and get a visage. Or the ones that go to gwd and on their second trip get 2 arma hilt drops. Yet when players like me (unlucky ones) go to gwd or iron dragons and kill thousands and end up with nothing, then that is just annoying.

 

 

 

Sure.. I should have spent that time RCing for money instead of killing bosses if I wanted a quick 30 mil.. but then shouldnt those people that get lucky also have to sweat it out and take time to earn their money?

 

 

 

Its the whole debate about staking as well that comes into this, whether stakers deserved to earn 1 billion GP a day as opposed to players that have played longer but were only earning 1 million a day.

 

 

 

Im not too fussed about it anymore though, because I know my future will involve buying chinchompas and gold ores.

[Zygimantas]

I don't have a problem with buying skills, I just don't respect the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching. Yea, they still cost money and take time but making enough money to buy those skills doesn't take much time ( unless your way of making money is flawed). If you have another 99 like fishing or woodcutting I respect the 99 more becuase you can actually get the supplies yourself. Yea, all runescape skills have the same basics, (click and wait) but some take alot more time and patience then others. I respect the more expenisive buyable skills like herblore, crafting and construction, because getting the money takes more time and it simply doesn't make sense gathering everything for 99 herblore or crafting because it takes too long. Most people get 99 fletching, cooking and firemaking just for the cape. I also don't respect that because they are not haveing fun and grinding a skill they don't even like. Yes, some people enjoy getting thier level ups and xp ( like me), but whats the point of getting a 99 that you don't like and so much people have, other then getting a skill cape. I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy easy and fast skills, i'm just saying that I don't respect them. You should play the game how you like, its one of the things that makes runescape a fun game. :

 

When you say "the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching," are there any others that you were specifically thinking of? *coughthievingcoughisntbuyablecough*

Well I don't know much about thieving so idk how fast it is.

[Troacctid]

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I don't have a problem with buying skills, I just don't respect the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching. Yea, they still cost money and take time but making enough money to buy those skills doesn't take much time ( unless your way of making money is flawed). If you have another 99 like fishing or woodcutting I respect the 99 more becuase you can actually get the supplies yourself. Yea, all runescape skills have the same basics, (click and wait) but some take alot more time and patience then others. I respect the more expenisive buyable skills like herblore, crafting and construction, because getting the money takes more time and it simply doesn't make sense gathering everything for 99 herblore or crafting because it takes too long. Most people get 99 fletching, cooking and firemaking just for the cape. I also don't respect that because they are not haveing fun and grinding a skill they don't even like. Yes, some people enjoy getting thier level ups and xp ( like me), but whats the point of getting a 99 that you don't like and so much people have, other then getting a skill cape. I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy easy and fast skills, i'm just saying that I don't respect them. You should play the game how you like, its one of the things that makes runescape a fun game. :

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When you say "the fast/cheap ones like cooking and fletching," are there any others that you were specifically thinking of? *coughthievingcoughisntbuyablecough*

Well I don't know much about thieving so idk how fast it is.

 

Faster 'n cheaper than fletching, actually.

 

 

 

BUT, the things that I think cause the most jealously (not that I do, it is a game of time not skill anyways) is those people that turn up to iron dragons, kill one and get a visage. Or the ones that go to gwd and on their second trip get 2 arma hilt drops. Yet when players like me (unlucky ones) go to gwd or iron dragons and kill thousands and end up with nothing, then that is just annoying.

 

 

 

Sure.. I should have spent that time RCing for money instead of killing bosses if I wanted a quick 30 mil.. but then shouldnt those people that get lucky also have to sweat it out and take time to earn their money?

 

It's like playing the lottery. Sometimes you get lucky. Nobody's entitled to a rare drop; the best you can do is put yourself in a position to receive them, and that generally puts you at risk of not receiving one as well. Your first iron dragon kill has the exact same odds of dropping a visage as your 2000th iron dragon kill. Although it's worth mentioning, I think, that it's not that easy to just walk into gwd and expect to solo a hilt drop...not something any n00b can do. You gotta have some pretty high stats, and a strategy worked out beforehand...it's quite different from getting a sara hilt by random at a drop party.

[Guest]

Everyone does it... Saying its nooby is one of the worlds greatest lies, among with 'Were here from the governement, and were here to help" and " Your money cheerfully refunded"

 

 

 

I belive theres nothing wrong with it

[The_Avatar]

I'm buying 99 cooking, and yes I'm doing it for the cape. It looks nice and has nice stats. Whats wrong with that?

[Jholm93]

I'm buying 99 cooking, and yes I'm doing it for the cape. It looks nice and has nice stats. Whats wrong with that?

 

I made 3M getting 99 Cooking, the cape is ugly, and it has stats equivelent to that of an obsidian cape unless you have a second 99.

[Straw_Hat]

i don't like it when people get the same thing that i did an easier or faster way :lol:

 

even if they spent more, i feel i worked harder for a level than they have

 

 

 

ex: i ecto'd to about 90 pray before gilded altar. construction came out, people were getting exp 5x as fast

 

 

 

i am being a hypocrite though seeing that i always opt for the fastest method i can afford.

[hohto]

I am always just a tad sceptical of how some rs players earn and earned their money before the december update.

 

 

 

Earning money hasn't been hard since RS2 was introduced, not even before god wars. And anyways, does the scepticalism matter there?

 

 

 

I think just think that cooking and fletching should not be so hated on as the easiest buyable skills.

 

 

 

They are the easiest buyable capes due the fast xp, virtually zero risk (compare: duying to randoms while cooking vs duying with chinchompas) and almost zero loss with no clicking. In the other words you don't need a lot of money, patience, time or efford in order to get those two skills to 99. Cooking is a great example: I personally made few mils profit and did most of my cooking while being drunk. Was that really as great thing as spending 100m on a skill that requires attention and clicking after that?

 

 

 

If you look at the number of people having certain capes, you can get slight idea how easy those skills are to train. If there's few, the skill either costs a lot, requires a lot of efford, takes a lot of time or just came out. If there's many, the skill is either dirty fast, cheap or at least got so much variations that it can be trained without even properly noticing you're doing it. There actually are reasons why construction cape is rarer than the hp cape or why the mining cape is rarer than the cooking cape.

 

 

 

I respect non-buyable skills such as ---melee skills the most.

 

 

 

Melee shouldn't even be put under the same statlist with the skills you mentioned. Melee skills are definately the easiest non-buyables (hard to actually compare them to cook or fletch on this...), the most common and definately the most helpful too same time. Almost 30k people have managed to get 99hp and with almost 36m hp xp I am not even in top 500 hp. Is that really so hard skill?

 

 

 

the only 2 capes that show real skill to me now are the fire cape and the quest cape. Both demonstrate the ability to not stand in one place and left + right click over and over again.

 

 

 

So in the other words you give more valuable to the ability to read a guide and waste few hours/days (depending which one) with no real risks, efford or patience needed than to wasting hundreds of hours on a skill doing thing x?

[AlexDT]

the only 2 capes that show real skill to me now are the fire cape and the quest cape. Both demonstrate the ability to not stand in one place and left + right click over and over again.

 

 

 

I disagree. I've got a quest cape, and I've 'successfully' fought Jad a couple of times (yes, I died. Redbarred him once :) ), but I view any other skillcape as a far more respectable cape. Being able to do the same thing over and over takes far more dedication than doing interesting quests, or running around safespots for a couple of hours.

[insanitarium]

People who are proud of getting capes because they worked harder are idiots, if you can do less work and get the same result you would be a moron not to do it..

 

 

 

Dumb: I made all my runes to get magic cape durrr

 

 

 

Smart: I was smart enough not to waste my time!

 

 

 

Dumb: You not deserve cape!

 

 

 

Obviously, dumb is just mad because he wasted his time.

[hellbellz]

Is that really so hard skill?

 

hohto, no training in Runescape is hard, skills only show how much free time you spend on the computer.

[Sdnthirty]

I think it is bs that 99 fletch and cook get flame to detah if posted but 99 cons and herb and smith and craft and other buyables get 10/10 99 herb takes like a week if you got money cons same thing craft and farming is also same way. Just cuz it costs more doesnt mean tis better 99