What is wrong with "buying" skills?

[Zygimantas]

A 99 is supposed to be an accomplishment not for showing off tbh. Chinning is not an accomplishment you put such little work into such a great output. A 99 should be something you enjoy too and if you enjoy chinning go ahead and do that for 20M range xp since you enjoy it so much. Also it's just sad that that person can't stand doing it the 'right' way. Sure you save time which is money but you had absolutely no fun and there is where you fail at life when you take this game so seriously you'll do anything to get a level as fast as you can. I swear most of us started this game for fun and yet some turn away from that and grind to be better than their friend or beat their friend or the same for someone on the Hiscores. Frankly it's just sad sometimes.

 

 

 

Maybe chinning is someones idea of fun. And who are you to judge them?! :shame:

He is Donald Trump :shock:

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I'm the type of person that would rather work hard to earn their reward. Because of this, I normally would look down on buyable skills, but reading through this thread (and having no reasonable alternative to 80 Smithing, I mean, I'm not going to mine 36K more Coal) made me change my mind.

 

 

 

Chinchompa training is a form of emergent gameplay, and as such, no one here could say anything about it being right or wrong. It costs insane cash, but in exchange, you get insane experience. Seems reasonable.

 

 

 

There are some players out there that hunted their own chinchompas for 99 ranged, and there are some players that *didn't* buy their raw goods for a "buyable" 99. It's not up to us to say that what they did was right, wrong, or whether or not they're playing "right".

[Artemis1330]

I can go to sara right now and get 43mil split or so because of luck.

 

 

 

Ah so spending 1 hour at GWD gets me 99 range, and others are supposed to feel good about it when they spent years at 99 range?

 

 

 

What I don't like is people mocking me and laughing at my skills because they aren't as good as theirs. And generally those are people that PCd their stats, AFKd somewhere, "bought it" with their luck money. I've killed 450+ Metals with one d skirt, I've gone to 2 rex trips with no drops, I've done 150+ level 3s with the best thing being a black cav, I've opened 600+ barrows chests, the most costly item being dharok helm.

 

 

 

Most I've "risked" at barrows : 20mil

 

Most I've "risked" at Dks: 14mil

 

Most I've risked at metals: 9mil

 

 

 

while I'm doing this a level 93 with 68 range, risking 10k in gear goes to metals gets a visage on the second kill, gets 99 range and calls me a noob.

 

 

 

I'm not jealous I'm pissed off.

 

 

 

I think you and everyone else would be a lot happier/less bitter if you quit letting other people's luck/achievements bother you or get in the way of your own goals

 

 

 

QFT, stop comparing yourself to everyone else.

 

 

 

 

 

This is one of the biggest failures of "acheivment" capes. Remember the massive boom in some materials after the capes came out? Rares started their downfall then. Players now train to "get a cape", which is pretty sad IMO.

 

 

 

As for me, I chinned to level 93/94 range(can't remember the exact level). As there is little difference between 94 and 99 range, I stopped. I did level 93/94-my current 19m exp all with gwd, and some slayer.

[hellbellz]

Ok Arte, when I said there's no right way, I meant you shouldn't do the skill the hardest way there is. =P

 

 

 

In before Runescapew44

[blakdragon39]

People can train however they want to train. I play for fun. My highest skill is a 90, and I've been playing for many a year now. Sure, I've been tempted to try for a 99, but I've never SERIOUSLY considered. It wouldn't be fun at all. If people find endlessly grinding a skill fun... thats for them to do.

 

 

 

What I don't like, is people who force themselves, day in and day out, to keep doing their skill, just for the cape. Like... why? Thats what I want to know. Why???

[Chained_life]

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I can go to sara right now and get 43mil split or so because of luck.

 

 

 

Ah so spending 1 hour at GWD gets me 99 range, and others are supposed to feel good about it when they spent years at 99 range?

 

 

 

What I don't like is people mocking me and laughing at my skills because they aren't as good as theirs. And generally those are people that PCd their stats, AFKd somewhere, "bought it" with their luck money. I've killed 450+ Metals with one d skirt, I've gone to 2 rex trips with no drops, I've done 150+ level 3s with the best thing being a black cav, I've opened 600+ barrows chests, the most costly item being dharok helm.

 

 

 

Most I've "risked" at barrows : 20mil

 

Most I've "risked" at Dks: 14mil

 

Most I've risked at metals: 9mil

 

 

 

while I'm doing this a level 93 with 68 range, risking 10k in gear goes to metals gets a visage on the second kill, gets 99 range and calls me a noob.

 

 

 

I'm not jealous I'm pissed off.

 

 

 

I think you and everyone else would be a lot happier/less bitter if you quit letting other people's luck/achievements bother you or get in the way of your own goals

 

 

 

QFT, stop comparing yourself to everyone else.

 

 

 

 

 

This is one of the biggest failures of "acheivment" capes. Remember the massive boom in some materials after the capes came out? Rares started their downfall then. Players now train to "get a cape", which is pretty sad IMO.

 

 

 

As for me, I chinned to level 93/94 range(can't remember the exact level). As there is little difference between 94 and 99 range, I stopped. I did level 93/94-my current 19m exp all with gwd, and some slayer.

 

 

 

You both sadly miss my point, Point is I'm mocked and taunted by these people who were lucky to get 20mil. I don't care about their luck, I do care if I'm constantly called trash because I didn't "buy" my skills.

 

 

 

You asked me "what's wrong with buyable skills" it brings out the cocky people.[/hide]

 

 

 

Sounds like you need to realise its a game. If you really loathe everything you do to make money so much, quit, or find some way to make it fun, it is a game afterall.

 

 

 

No? You need money to have fun, I don't find "dancing" with your friends in the bank fun. I don't have "fun" with 1mil cash, I have "fun" with 100mil+ cash.

[xSxqPowerx]

Buying skills the fast way is the only way I do skills.

[muggiwhplar]

You both sadly miss my point, Point is I'm mocked and taunted by these people who were lucky to get 20mil. I don't care about their luck, I do care if I'm constantly called trash because I didn't "buy" my skills.

 

 

 

You asked me "what's wrong with buyable skills" it brings out the cocky people.

 

 

 

No? You need money to have fun, I don't find "dancing" with your friends in the bank fun. I don't have "fun" with 1mil cash, I have "fun" with 100mil+ cash.

 

 

 

Yes the game's more fun when you're rich - go to God Wars and get lucky if you want to get 100M+ :P

 

 

 

I hope you realize there's nothing wrong with getting rich quick from luck or spending your money on fast skills. I also hope you realize that there are a lot of people in RS who are just jerks like that who enjoy making people angry from the safety of their home. We can't do much about them, other than feel sorry for their rudeness. I haven't come across any people who are luckily-rich like that and were jerks about it, so from my experience it hasn't brought out the cockiness in people or anything.

 

 

 

Though like I said, if you really want to be rich and have fun with 100M, go to God Wars. Sara is pretty consistent with its drops. I wish GW existed back when I had muggi. Otherwise I wouldn't have been tempted to abuse a bug and get banned to be able to afford having "fun." Don't make the same mistake I did.

[Trojann2]

Scott, remember what I told you that one day when I was about 500k exp away from 99 Magic?

 

 

 

"I love the Magic Skill, I'm not doing this to get a 99, I'm doing this because this is the skill that I have always enjoyed."

 

 

 

If someone loves the kill, the want to get highest in that skill fastest, like I did. I should have about 25-30M exp in that skill currently, but, ya know. :(

 

 

 

People are just jackass teenagers because they are jealous.

[ydrasil]

I am not sure which side I would take on this. "Buying" skills doesn't always mean you are wasting money or anything. I prefer to play in a way that offers efficiency, that doesn't specifically mean the fastest way. The examples muggi gave show a very good example of this, I would prefer to do the chins in that case. I'll try to summarise and show why (numbers not exact):

 

 

 

Using Chins

 

Cost: -30m

 

Time: 60 hours

 

 

 

Ranging Aviansie

 

Cost: +150m

 

Time: 300 hours

 

 

 

Both ways get you to 99 range, one costs money and is 5x faster the other makes a fair deal and is alot slower. Think of the difference in time to be "free". You get 99 range 240 hours earlier hence allowing you to use that time to make money. If in that time you can make over 180m, then it is more efficient to use chinchompas. This means you have to be able to at minimum make 750k/h on average. While Runecrafting I can make a profit of around 1.2m/h meaning I would get 99 range faster (including time to make the money) and make the same amount of money from using chins. I would even still have 90 hours extra, and could even make an additional 108m on top of that in the same time it takes to get 99 range by aviansies.

 

 

 

To me, it just seems far more logical and better to use chins. However, even knowing that, there are some skills which I feel are just less of an achievement specifically because they can be "bought". Cooking and Fletching being the most prominent. Skills should never be trained just for the cape, that just doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

 

Proud to have played for almost 5 years and to have no 99's \

[BabyPunchers]

I trained the old fashioned Iron Arrows at Fire Giants method from 40-99 range. I bought 90-99 range. That is still the biggest achievement in my Rs playing time. It took so many hours barrowing that money, but it was the greatest feeling in the end. I love range, and i still use it. And i wanted 99 in it because i love it.

 

 

 

Personally i it's okay to buy skills if you worked for the money. Really, people don't take into account the hours people spend barrowing, or the thousands of black dragons people killed for that visage.

[muggiwhplar]

I am not sure which side I would take on this. "Buying" skills doesn't always mean you are wasting money or anything. I prefer to play in a way that offers efficiency, that doesn't specifically mean the fastest way. The examples muggi gave show a very good example of this, I would prefer to do the chins in that case. I'll try to summarise and show why (numbers not exact):

 

 

 

Using Chins

 

Cost: -30m

 

Time: 60 hours

 

 

 

Ranging Aviansie

 

Cost: +150m

 

Time: 300 hours

 

 

 

Both ways get you to 99 range, one costs money and is 5x faster the other makes a fair deal and is alot slower. Think of the difference in time to be "free". You get 99 range 240 hours earlier hence allowing you to use that time to make money. If in that time you can make over 180m, then it is more efficient to use chinchompas. This means you have to be able to at minimum make 750k/h on average. While Runecrafting I can make a profit of around 1.2m/h meaning I would get 99 range faster (including time to make the money) and make the same amount of money from using chins. I would even still have 90 hours extra, and could even make an additional 108m on top of that in the same time it takes to get 99 range by aviansies.

 

 

 

To me, it just seems far more logical and better to use chins. However, even knowing that, there are some skills which I feel are just less of an achievement specifically because they can be "bought". Cooking and Fletching being the most prominent. Skills should never be trained just for the cape, that just doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

 

Proud to have played for almost 5 years and to have no 99's \

 

 

 

Exactly

 

 

 

Scott, remember what I told you that one day when I was about 500k exp away from 99 Magic?

 

 

 

"I love the Magic Skill, I'm not doing this to get a 99, I'm doing this because this is the skill that I have always enjoyed."

 

 

 

If someone loves the kill, the want to get highest in that skill fastest, like I did. I should have about 25-30M exp in that skill currently, but, ya know. :(

 

 

 

People are just jackass teenagers because they are jealous.

 

 

 

Yeahaha - we'd both have about that much XP by now

[bakura18]

It's stupid. I mean, I hate training range, it bores me. What if I want to get 99 range so that I can be better at gwd ect and not just for the cape? I am not going to train with bow and arrow until 99, I would die of boredom. So let's say I chin for 99? What's wrong with that?

 

Am I in the wrong for not training in a way that bores me?

[tylersk8shop]

People are either stupid or ignorant, they don't take the time to figure that time = money as you've explained. They're also mad that they were the dumb/poor ones and spent 300+ hrs somewhere else, while the smart person with the money they worked hard for, decided he wanted range quickly. Honestly the people that are mad about buyable skills need to [bleep] off :-# .

 

 

 

How am I "dumb/poor" for getting 99 range before this method came out? I got 99 range "the old fashioned" way and have done the 4M experience after that.

 

 

 

I just dislike the method - spend a load of money and get nothing in return. On my way to 99 range I earned myself three party hats, purely from ranging.

 

 

 

Before chins came out there were probably only 2000 99 rangers, if that. Now there's over 10,000. It's just become a less "respected" skill and it also annoys me how some people assume I used chins to get to 99, I spent hours on end at greaters and my "achievement" has been "downgraded" thanks to the chinning method.

 

 

 

I don't hate chins as much, if people earned the money for it (Not by getting lucky at GWD...) or got the chins themselves then fair enough. It just seems every man and his dog has 99 range these days and 75% of those used chins to get there.

 

"Getting lucky at GWD" isnt as easy as people make it out to be, GWD does take skill, effort and commitment. People rarely get lucky without spending hours at GWD, And getting the stats to be able to do GWD takes time and effort aswell. GWD drops are quite rare, I've been on many long dry streaks at GWD, Which costed alot of money. I really hate how people hate people "Getting lucky at GWD", It's no different then getting lucky at Bounty Hunter or anywhere else.

 

 

 

I don't see a problem with buying skills. Like Magic/Ranged... Those take alot of time and effort to get all the cash gathered for 99, And making alot of money isnt the easiest thing.

[BoD]

comparing 99 range through chinning and 99 cooking are two complete opposites.

 

 

 

 

 

99 range will always benefit you, no matter what. cooking is like wearing 7mil or whatever it takes as an inventory slot.

[Freesia]

With understanding of the fact that rs players can play how they like, as well as the fact I am entitled to my own opinion:

 

 

 

Slayer - Powerful skill that allows you to train at least 6 other skills at the same time. While I noticed that quite a number of high combat slayers have high slayer, just refuse to recognise "range slaying" as a way to train slayer. Maxed melees only contribute 39/52m of combat exp from 99 slayer, the last 13m contributed by range/cannon. Why wasn't this time you "wasted" meleeing the last 3m exp of slayer counted in the chins vs normal range efficiency comparison?

 

 

 

Summoning - Same thing about range. Most people claim about bursting rock lobs being the fastest way of getting charms, yet also refuse to recognise slayer as a way you get charms without technically spending any time getting charms because those are counted into time you spent training slayer.

 

 

 

If you hate slayer with a passion, fine with me.

 

 

 

Buying 99 herblore/farming - Farming is made as a skill to facilitate training of herblore. The non-buying ways supposingly takes "too long", yet in those 1.5 years-2 years spent in getting these two 99s, you are not even spending most of that time really farming or doing herblore, the majority of the time was used was training other skills while waiting for herbs/mtk trees to grow. The money you spent on this skills (around 200m i think), could have gotten you 99 construction and prayer, examples of 2 skills that you have to buy.

 

 

 

Comparing what is really more efficient such in the case of buying smithing vs mining smithing, in addition to comparing methods of smithing, the time you spend on mining and gwd (about 1m/hr unless you hax hilts). The same thing can be done for buying fletch vs wcing fletch, buying cook vs fishing cook etc.

[sohkmj1]

If these stupid whiny people keep well... whining about people "buying skillcapes", just take them out altogether.

 

They are just being stupid, they probably can't get a skillcape themselves. So what if they buy the 99? Making money, although may or may not require effort, but it at least still requires SOME time.

 

Even if you had gotten all the materials ready, you still have to process the materials for xp to your desired 99.

 

It still takes time, just less. It's nothing different.

[Alex_Ewan_1]

money does not grow on trees.

 

 

 

You have to spend hours earning the money. Then you can level up quickly as a reward.

[Dharockslayer]

I just wanted to say that this is one of the best discussions I have seen in a long time on these forums.

 

 

 

That aside, I think buying skills these days is the norm. Getting cash then spending it on skills is the only thing that I see. I don't see why you would risk it on bounty hunter, since the risk is higher then the reward. Staking is out of the question, and after you get a godsword there is little that you can't buy. What else can you do with all the excess money?

[halo475]

I am shocked by all of your responses to this thread, this community had a huge problem with putting down bought skills. When I saw the title I said to myself, "here goes another half an hour telling people that buyable skills aren't bad blah blah blah". Then I read muggi's post and I thought it summed it up very well, but now almsot all of you agree with him! Does it take someone respected to tell you or are you all just sucking up to muggi?

 

 

 

Now my opinion.

 

I have alot of fun making money and getting fast xp, Luckily that goes hand in hand. I am bursting rock lobs now not just because of the charms but because of the fast mage, hp and defence xp that you get. In the end that helps me make more money at GWD, barrows etc.

 

 

 

I havn't trained my prayer past 13.2m xp because after 99 it is actually a waste of money, but i enjoyed getting 99 prayer so much, having 100 people in you house all the time using your altar, I made alot of friends out of that.

 

 

 

This argument it basicly the same as the 'Buy your resources v Gather resources' thread, in that thread buyable skills where harshly flamed, why has it all of a sudden changed?

[muggiwhplar]

I am shocked by all of your responses to this thread, this community had a huge problem with putting down bought skills. When I saw the title I said to myself, "here goes another half an hour telling people that buyable skills aren't bad blah blah blah". Then I read muggi's post and I thought it summed it up very well, but now almsot all of you agree with him! Does it take someone respected to tell you or are you all just sucking up to muggi?

 

 

 

Now my opinion.

 

I have alot of fun making money and getting fast xp, Luckily that goes hand in hand. I am bursting rock lobs now not just because of the charms but because of the fast mage, hp and defence xp that you get. In the end that helps me make more money at GWD, barrows etc.

 

 

 

I havn't trained my prayer past 13.2m xp because after 99 it is actually a waste of money, but i enjoyed getting 99 prayer so much, having 100 people in you house all the time using your altar, I made alot of friends out of that.

 

 

 

This argument it basicly the same as the 'Buy your resources v Gather resources' thread, in that thread buyable skills where harshly flamed, why has it all of a sudden changed?

 

 

 

I don't think it's really about people's respect for me - considering a lot of people actually despise me because they judge me alone on my ban.

 

 

 

When I decided to make this thread, it was more than just a question... Going off-topic, a little... my major life goal's to make a major change in the world or to make ignorant people reconsider things and become better people. I thought that making this topic would be good practice to try and change some of the people on this forum. I think I succeeded too, for the most part.

 

 

 

I know a lot about human psychology and it's easy for me to put myself in other people's shoes. So it's been very easy to understand everybody's opinions in their posts and to make them question themselves or realize that they may need to re-think certain opinions they have on things. I tried to be as clear and easy-to-understand as possible in the original post as well by providing the examples of time and money. I didn't want this to become a debate, because the truth is there's nothing wrong with spending your money on skills. People tend to be more open to things like this if you make them ask themselves if it's wrong to spend money, rather than flat out tell them then provide evidence for them to try to argue with.

 

 

 

I'll probably be making more topics like these if I can think of any.

[Bouwzie]

With understanding of the fact that rs players can play how they like, as well as the fact I am entitled to my own opinion:

 

 

 

Buying 99 herblore/farming - Farming is made as a skill to facilitate training of herblore. The non-buying ways supposingly takes "too long", yet in those 1.5 years-2 years spent in getting these two 99s, you are not even spending most of that time really farming or doing herblore, the majority of the time was used was training other skills while waiting for herbs/mtk trees to grow. The money you spent on this skills (around 200m i think), could have gotten you 99 construction and prayer, examples of 2 skills that you have to buy.

 

 

 

Comparing what is really more efficient such in the case of buying smithing vs mining smithing, in addition to comparing methods of smithing, the time you spend on mining and gwd (about 1m/hr unless you hax hilts). The same thing can be done for buying fletch vs wcing fletch, buying cook vs fishing cook etc.

 

 

 

I completely agree with you on the slayer aspect, but not on the herblore/farming one. As you know, I want 99 herblore. I want it now, and not in 1.5 years. So I buy it, and I still farm. I won't stop farming after 99 either, because I have not so much problems doing a farming round. I might've spent around 80-90m when I'm done, but I enjoyed it (at least, I do so far). As long as I love the skill, I'm not going to wait 1.5 years to get it to 99 just to save money.

[Brave2]

In answer to your question - nothing!

 

 

 

In some ways I admire someone who has "bought" their 99 skill. Not for the fact that they have the "99", but for the sheer willpower to overcome the mind-numbing tedium of doing the same thing hour after hour, day after day. I'm afraid doing that would send me to the funny farm.

[hellbellz]

Does it take someone respected to tell you or are you all just sucking up to muggi?

 

I could care less over someone's internet fame.

 

 

 

I have my own opinion, I've been trying to tell people who think that power training a skill is pointless they're [bleep]ing idiots. You have 40M, keep 25M in the bank at all times, why not use that 25M to get a Dragonfire Shield, or would the anti skill buyers stick with the Rune Defender because it takes time to get and you can't buy it.

[magmaguard3]

I wish I could go from 85 to 99 wc in 30 hours. :mrgreen: