The Offical TIF American Elections thread

[Range_This11]

Lol, magekillr, just because the Rep's probably won't win this election doesn't mean they are finished. It will probably actually be better if they lose this one just to let things cool down. And also there is still around 55 million registered republicans in the US, they won't just die out.

 

I think that IF Obama wins, and IF he does a good job bringing this country out of the hole that it is in, you might see that number drop significantly.

[dangeresque]

Lol, magekillr, just because the Rep's probably won't win this election doesn't mean they are finished. It will probably actually be better if they lose this one just to let things cool down. And also there is still around 55 million registered republicans in the US, they won't just die out.

 

I think that IF Obama wins, and IF he does a good job bringing this country out of the hole that it is in, you might see that number drop significantly.

 

I doubt it, but it's possible. Only time will tell.

[magekillr]

Lol, magekillr, just because the Rep's probably won't win this election doesn't mean they are finished. It will probably actually be better if they lose this one just to let things cool down. And also there is still around 55 million registered republicans in the US, they won't just die out.

 

 

 

They won't die, they're going to split into other factions with party in-fighting. Sarah Palin is preparing for her election run in 2012. She's going off of John McCain's message, and talking about the prospects of '12. There's people inside the campaign (Giuliani and and Romney's people) that are dissing her left and right.

 

 

 

The neo-cons want to go one way, the social conservatives/evangelical fundies want to go another way, and the Paleo's/fiscals want to go yet another way. George Bush destroyed the party's chances in Congress, AND for the Presidency for a good while. They either need to re-tool, or re-faction. I can see them re-factioning because of all the directions the party wants to go.

 

 

 

I love how Republicans are making excuses: it's for the best to let things cool down guys, it's ok.

 

 

 

This is going to be some FDR/LBJ style governing, and I cannot wait.

[Lenticular_J]

It'd be better if both parties broke up into smaller ones with better chances.

 

 

 

you know what, i promised i wouldn't post on this thread again but its americans like you who have no clue how the world works that really get under my skin.

 

Just to let you know, when you're criticizing someone for being ignorant in English, it's best to do that with fairly good grammar and spelling. Dunno if you just didn't feel like typing perfectly or if English isn't your primary language, but I'm-a just sayin'.

 

 

 

Criticize someone for disagreeing with your views and categorizing them as "Americans," I'll pull grammar on your [wagon].

[megakiller32]

For the McCain voters out there; how do you feel about Sarah Palin?

 

Because from a British non-voter view, she's [bleep]ing insane.

[Lenticular_J]

(Well, I can't vote, and I don't even think I'd vote this year if I could - at least not for the major two.)

 

 

 

But I still think she's a little off in the head. I mean c'mon, people call Obama black, while she has five kids (one of whom is a teenage babymomma) and packs heat. Obama plays golf in Iowa.

 

 

 

Seriously.

[Faux]

She's running for VICE-PRESIDENCY. Stop comparing her to Obama you god damn morons.

[Lenticular_J]

I got it offa Chocolate News and wanted to share it with everyone. :

[1_man_army]

She's running for VICE-PRESIDENCY. Stop comparing her to Obama you god damn morons.

 

 

 

Normally I'd agree but she is running alongside the oldest ever candidate for a first term. John McCain is 72 years old, the U.S average life expectancy for males is just over 75 (75.15 to be exact). Those numbers alone suggest that there is a possibility that McCain could die during his first term especially considering that he will be in one of the most stressful jobs on the planet at an extremely trying time in recent history. That is why his choice of Palin is so important, she doesn't seem to grasp he issues that are important and I just don't think she is cut out for the job. If McCain had chosen a more qualified running mate this election would be a bit closer, instead he opted to create this Sarah Palin sideshow that looks like it is really hurting him right now.

[warri0r45]

She's running for VICE-PRESIDENCY. Stop comparing her to Obama you god damn morons.

 

 

 

Normally I'd agree but she is running alongside the oldest ever candidate for a first term. John McCain is 72 years old, the U.S average life expectancy for males is just over 75 (75.15 to be exact). Those numbers alone suggest that there is a possibility that McCain could die during his first term especially considering that he will be in one of the most stressful jobs on the planet at an extremely trying time in recent history. That is why his choice of Palin is so important, she doesn't seem to grasp he issues that are important and I just don't think she is cut out for the job. If McCain had chosen a more qualified running mate this election would be a bit closer, instead he opted to create this Sarah Palin sideshow that looks like it is really hurting him right now.

 

 

 

I agree. Choosing Palin as VP running mate was probably one of, if not the worst political decisions of this campaign. I don't think she's at all presidential material, and the prospect of her getting to the top job isn't one I'd be comfortable with.

[Saru Inc]

Obama might start moving into Arizona, because he's within stealing distance there. It certainly would be embarrassing for John to lose his home state that he was leading in by 12-15 points at one point. Obama is within like 4 points, and now McCain has to send ads there to defend it on a limited budget.

 

 

 

Obama winning, Ted Stevens is a felon, the Democrats might get a 61-39 majority, Sarah Palin thinks she's going to be the 2012 nominee, and the Republican Party is dismantling and imploding. This is the greatest election ever.

 

Although I respect the republican history, I can not agree more here: what the republicans stand for and stood for the last decades is sometimes no less than disgusting. It seems they have brought this very much upon themselves and I would be thrilled to see them losing their choking grip, finally, on the USA. Let's hope it can last for more than a couple of years and that they return to what they used to stand for.

 

 

 

If they were still the party of Lincoln and Roosevelt as they so like to claim on their stumps, I would vote for them. Teddy R. is one of the best presidents of all time, and he could possibly be my favorite one.

 

 

 

If this were 1904, I'd have some serious contemplating to do to make a choice between Teddy R. and Eugene Debs.

 

 

 

TR was ok, but Lincoln was awful. :lol: Yes, he did the Emancipation Proclamation, but that really was the only good thing. He suspended Habeus Coprus, delcared Martial Law, almost lost half of US...

 

 

 

I find it funny how all the Democrats act like no Democrat has ever done better than a Republican. Nonsense, of course they have sometimes, does that mean the Republican party has fallen apart? No... Also, I lose how people in other countries get so defensive, but it's not even they're country, Naturally, it still would impact them via policies and treaties but still.. I fear the day McCain wins, simply because I know people will riot. Off topic- Obama was 2 miles away from me today, and about half a mile from my school. I slept and didn't go see him though, not worth my time.

[Ouchy]

I'm betting (and hoping...) that Obama will win. McCain is just getting worse and worse every day. And Palin is not doing him any justice.

[magekillr]

Are you freaking kidding me? "Almost lost half of the US"? Dude, he SAVED the US. He is revered by most historians as the GREATEST President of all because of his ability to keep the US together, and you're telling me he's awful because he suspended Habeus Corpus? In case you didn't know, the US was at war with itself :roll:

 

 

 

"It's not their country". This election affects every country around the world. Ugh, I can't stand your mentality.

[Faux]

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i wonder how many more think the same, lol

[Lordjake]

 

TR was ok, but Lincoln was awful. :lol: Yes, he did the Emancipation Proclamation, but that really was the only good thing. He suspended Habeus Coprus, delcared Martial Law, almost lost half of US...

 

are you [bleep]ing serious? :wall:

 

It's fine if you don't acknowledge Obama's credentials, but if you honestly think Lincoln was an awful president, you may need to re-think your definition of a "good" president.

 

magekillr already said this, but Lincoln is consistently ranked in the top 2 U.S. presidents of all time.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I lose how people in other countries get so defensive, but it's not even they're country, Naturally, it still would impact them via policies and treaties but still..

 

You already answered yourself. People outside the U.S are still greatly affected by the its actions.

 

The disaster of the Iraq War, the financial crisis, etc... all of them have affected the world, not just our country. Other people are allowed to be scared that someone who's voted with Bush 90% of the time may become president.

 

I mean, the U.S was stupid enough to elect Bush again in 2004, so I don't think other countries have much faith in our judgment to begin with.

[dangeresque]

 

TR was ok, but Lincoln was awful. :lol: Yes, he did the Emancipation Proclamation, but that really was the only good thing. He suspended Habeus Coprus, delcared Martial Law, almost lost half of US...

 

are you [bleep] serious? :wall:

 

It's fine if you don't acknowledge Obama's credentials, but if you honestly think Lincoln was an awful president, you may need to re-think your definition of a "good" president.

 

magekillr already said this, but Lincoln is consistently ranked in the top 2 U.S. presidents of all time.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I lose how people in other countries get so defensive, but it's not even they're country, Naturally, it still would impact them via policies and treaties but still..

 

You already answered yourself. People outside the U.S are still greatly affected by the its actions.

 

The disaster of the Iraq War, the financial crisis, etc... all of them have affected the world, not just our country. Other people are allowed to be scared that someone who's voted with Bush 90% of the time may become president.

 

I mean, the U.S was stupid enough to elect Bush again in 2004, so I don't think other countries have much faith in our judgment to begin with.

 

 

 

the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

 

And when you say that he voted with the President 90% of the time it's not as big as a deal as most would think. This is because they don't vote on seperate issues, they vote on Bills that have like 5 things in each, so if they want 3 out of the 5 things they will still vote for the bill even though they don't agree with the other 2 things.

[jessy87]

aw, this time next year. No matter who is president. I have a feeling i am going to be getting in everyones face about this election.

[BlueLancer]

By statistics it should be pretty clear Obama is elected, same time last election the polls were pretty much tied with 45%/45% with some 10% unsure voters... This time around, depending on the poll, Obama has a 5-14% lead.

 

 

 

Anything can still happen though... If you firmly believe McCain can win, now's your time to also profit big time :lol: Big betting agencies already give up to 7.00 odds for your money if you bet on him to win. 50 bucks with McCain will get you $350 ($50 with Obama will get you only $6 profit)

[Deiophobus]

Danger, what do you mean, John McCain's support for Bush has been 77%?

[BlueLancer]

Danger, what do you mean, John McCain's support for Bush has been 77%?

 

 

 

You're not entirely wrong; McCain did vote with Bush 77% of the time - in 2005. [1]

 

 

 

In 2007, last year, he voted 95% of the time in line with Bush. Note the figure includes votes in which republicans have strongly disagreed with the president, like with his immigration policies [2], so it's safe to say his views as of recent, are extremely similar to those of George W. Bush

[cryztalwing]

Cindy Sheehan may not be running for President, but she is running for Congress against the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Some body had smash thier way into her Campaing headquarters and stoled a computer.

 

 

 

Ron Paul will be an "official" write-in candidate in California...

 

 

 

[hide=]Cindy Sheehans Campaign Headquarters Heavily Damaged in Late Night Attack

 

 

 

Just 5 days before the election, at 3a.m. on October 30th, all of the front windows of the Cindy Sheehan for Congress campaign offices were shattered. Although staffers had been in the office less than an hour earlier, no one was in the building at the time of the incident. No one was hurt and there were no witnesses. Cindy Sheehan is a candidate for Congress in Californias 8th Congressional District race against incumbent Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

 

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1[/hide]

[Deiophobus]

Danger, what do you mean, John McCain's support for Bush has been 77%?

 

 

 

You're not entirely wrong; McCain did vote with Bush 77% of the time - in 2005. [1]

 

 

 

In 2007, last year, he voted 95% of the time in line with Bush. Note the figure includes votes in which republicans have strongly disagreed with the president, like with his immigration policies [2], so it's safe to say his views as of recent, are extremely similar to those of George W. Bush

 

 

 

 

 

No, I wasn't stating that, I was asking for clarification. What does it mean for a single person to have a 77% approval rating of Bush?

[BlueLancer]

 

No, I wasn't stating that, I was asking for clarification. What does it mean for a single person to have a 77% approval rating of Bush?

 

 

 

It means in 2005, he voted 'Yes' or 'No' in the senate 77% in line with issues Bush personally advocated, and in 2007, 95% of the time.

[Lordjake]

 

And when you say that he voted with the President 90% of the time it's not as big as a deal as most would think. This is because they don't vote on seperate issues, they vote on Bills that have like 5 things in each, so if they want 3 out of the 5 things they will still vote for the bill even though they don't agree with the other 2 things.

 

Wow I'd love to see McCain actually try to use that argument, lol.

 

 

 

Firstly, you're assuming McCain and Bush would've differed on 2 of every 5 (or any minority) issues per bill. With McCain backing Bush 9 out of every 10 votes, you can be quite sure that's it's not just a coincidence that they voted so closely.

 

 

 

Secondly, not only would he immediately be laughed at, it could then be said that anyone's past voting record doesn't mean much of anything.

 

"Oh I only voted for the bailout bill because it would give wooden arrows a tax exemption"

 

 

 

Republicans couldn't claim Obama is a radical liberal anymore because he could use the same excuse you're trying and say he only agreed with 51% of the bills he voted for.

[jessy87]

i wonder how many more think the same, lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how about charles barkley saying republicans use "code" words because they are "playing the race card" by calling wealth distribution "welfare".