longsword beats scimmy so bad

[Cacmypants]

How many duals did you test? Were your stats and armor exactly the same as your opponent? Did you use exactly the same prayer and potions, with no specials? Did you always attack each other at exactly the same time? The differences between the two weapons are small, and any 'testing' consisting of dueling a few times with a friend and beating him 3 to 5 mean nothing whatsoever. Scimmy is better, though - methodical testing has proved it. All the opinions and stats in the world can't change the fact scimmy has been proven better many thousands of times.

 

 

 

Relax man, I've been doing 3 years of chemistry, I know how to control experiments and how to aquire accurate results, and the results say a scimmi is better in f2p and also better in p2p when no specials are used (which is stupid).

 

 

 

the Dragon longsword special is far superior and we often found ourselves hitting 60+ in total very often with the entire bar used up, but then fails miserably when the real fight starts

[ikeforever]

I myself prefer the scimmi, but you guys are going way too deep with this. You are getting irritated at each other and it's just not right. I don't think either is better than the other because it's just off of personal preference.

[DieselX]

The scimmy is better. Use with dds spec

[compfreak847]

How many duals did you test? Were your stats and armor exactly the same as your opponent? Did you use exactly the same prayer and potions, with no specials? Did you always attack each other at exactly the same time? The differences between the two weapons are small, and any 'testing' consisting of dueling a few times with a friend and beating him 3 to 5 mean nothing whatsoever. Scimmy is better, though - methodical testing has proved it. All the opinions and stats in the world can't change the fact scimmy has been proven better many thousands of times.

 

 

 

Relax man, I've been doing 3 years of chemistry, I know how to control experiments and how to aquire accurate results, and the results say a scimmi is better in f2p and also better in p2p when no specials are used (which is stupid).

 

 

 

the Dragon longsword special is far superior and we often found ourselves hitting 60+ in total very often with the entire bar used up, but then fails miserably when the real fight starts

 

Ok, didn't mean to get anyone uptight :

 

 

 

i disagree with everyone who postd in this topic neither is better its just the one tht the user likes better

 

I don't think either is better than the other because it's just off of personal preference.

 

 

 

Completely wrong. We're arguing over quantitative, not qualitative data. One gets more XP per hour then the other, in every scenario. It's not a matter of opinion - its like comparing 50$ to 80$. This thread shouldn't even exist; we've seen a lot of proof about scimmy being better, but none whatsoever about longsword being better.

[ikeforever]

Ok this is completely opinionated!!! It's just to see who ikes a schimmy and who likes the longsword. quite going into the calculations to see which is better, because that's completely besides the point

[BabyPunchers]

Ok this is completely opinionated!!! It's just to see who ikes a schimmy and who likes the longsword. quite going into the calculations to see which is better, because that's completely besides the point

 

 

 

Stupidest.Reply.Ever.

[fenrir321]

Ok this is completely opinionated!!! It's just to see who ikes a schimmy and who likes the longsword. quite going into the calculations to see which is better, because that's completely besides the point

 

In that context:

 

Quite: an adverb that is a synonym to "very"

 

Quit: a verb which means to cease or stop

 

(I like spelling and grammar; get over it :P )

 

This is not opinionated. The exp per hour is fact; a scimitar gives more exp than a longsword. Special attacks can be up for debate. Preference is opinionated. I know that the d long is inferior to the scimitar in terms of stats and dps, but I still use it because I just happen to like the longsword. Just because I like it does not counteract the fact that a scimitar has higher dps. Now, we can get into how much better the longsword is than the scimitar in stab attacks, but then that would be going off-topic.

[Huta]

Ok this is completely opinionated!!! It's just to see who ikes a schimmy and who likes the longsword. quite going into the calculations to see which is better, because that's completely besides the point

 

 

 

Stupidest.Reply.Ever.

 

 

 

Cue eff tea.

 

 

 

The scimitar is roughly 17% faster than the longsword. The longsword's stats are nowhere near 17% better than the scimitar.

 

 

 

So it fails.

[Mylez]

Ok this is completely opinionated!!! It's just to see who ikes a schimmy and who likes the longsword. quite going into the calculations to see which is better, because that's completely besides the point

 

 

 

Stupidest.Reply.Ever.

 

 

 

Cue eff tea.

 

 

 

The scimitar is roughly 17% faster than the longsword. The longsword's stats are nowhere near 17% better than the scimitar.

 

 

 

So it fails.

 

 

 

^ What he said, although I still stand by my statement of personal preferance :D

[kudos6969]

actualy without the added use of a dds you will probably find that a dscimmy vs d longsword that the longsword wins due to its 4 powerfull specs. but thats not actualy how they are used and therefore taking away the specials of the 2 swords the scimmy with its faster pace really is better.

[Cheefoo]

A TINY TINY bit of increased accuracy won't make a big difference. And maybe one or two higher max hit isn't going to show very often. However, hitting maybe 1.3x faster WILL show.

 

 

 

Speed is everything.

 

 

 

That's why bronze daggers beat full Dharok's.

[mister_moocky]

Scimmy is sooo much better the few att bonuses don't do anything anyway its only 1-3 slash attack more but the scimmys speed makes it so better scim FTW long FTL.

 

Really MM ain't that hard I di it at 70 cb and i only came close to dieing once because of lag.

 

 

 

If small bonuses are so 'not worth it' why do people spend millions on furys to get a few extra bonuses than glory? Or millions on bandos tasset and sacrifice defence (again saying so small it doesnt matter) but want that tiny tiny extra strength? Or those DK rings? Such a big price on a tiny bonus.

 

 

 

You people are redundant.

 

 

 

1) Saying the fury and DK rings are a waste is ridiculous. Buying a fury doesn't effect your speed. More bonuses without any drawbacks = good.

 

2) People use different armor for different situations. People don't wear full kharils to Arma boss even though it would provie better range attack because they need melee defense. But people wear bandos in castlewars because it doesn't matter if they die it doesn't matter and that str bonus helps. Also bandos doesn't degrade.

[Sinkhan]

 

In that context:

 

Quite: an adverb that is a synonym to "very"

 

Quit: a verb which means to cease or stop

 

(I like spelling and grammar; get over it :P )

 

This is not opinionated. The exp per hour is fact; a scimitar gives more exp than a longsword. Special attacks can be up for debate. Preference is opinionated. I know that the d long is inferior to the scimitar in terms of stats and dps, but I still use it because I just happen to like the longsword. Just because I like it does not counteract the fact that a scimitar has higher dps. Now, we can get into how much better the longsword is than the scimitar in stab attacks, but then that would be going off-topic.

 

 

 

Hurray for spelling at grammar :

 

 

 

I got caught up in this debate a few days ago and my friend loaned me a rune long for me to test (So Jagex actually made something useful :shock: )

 

 

 

We dueled a few times and I had a stopwatch on my computer. Roughly, reaction times aside, the rune long hits once every 3 seconds. The rune scimitar hits once every 2.4 seconds.

 

That's about a ratio of 4:5, meaning after 12 seconds, the rune long has hit 4 times, and the scimitar 5 times.

 

 

 

We have to make the realization that +2 slash is negligible and the defence bonuses also quite pointless at higher levels.

 

 

 

In most cases, the rune long WILL give +1 to my max hit over the scimmy. However, this is dependent on strength level, other equipment, prayers, etc.

 

 

 

From this, one can see that at perhaps lower levels (Just reached 40 attack and defence and your opponent around the same), the rune long isn't bad for short duels. That addition to max hit, 4% increase in slash, and slight defence bonuses may make enough of a difference to pull you through to a win :

 

 

 

However at higher levels where most are using full rune, have relatively high defence, and high attack, those tiny advantages of the rune long which may have made a difference in a low-level duel almost completely vanish into nothingness. The max hit increase would be about the only advantage over the rune scimitar. But with a ratio of 4:5, I'd choose the scim. You had 4 chances to hit me. I have 5 in the same time bracket.

 

 

 

All of the above just explores PVP. In a training scenario, rune scimitar is really the best choice. Training looks at how fast you can get that xp. Over extended periods of time, that 0.6 second difference really really adds up.

 

 

 

I think I need to try this with a b axe and a R2H to see which is the better finisher...

[llamster]

I don't know why the speed vs. power debate exists. People should just realize that it's easier to compare weapons when you group the two factors together.

 

 

 

Anyway, scimmy beats longsword in every situation. The longsword's higher accuracy (note that I don't say higher strength) doesn't compensate for the scimitar's superior strength in the vast majority of situations. The only exception is metal dragons.

[Mysticblade]

Being a dragon long noob, I can safely say that dragon longswords are very bad and if bother to log on again I don't think I'll be doing slayer with it.

 

You really start to hate it when you borrow a whip and realize how terrible the d long really is.

[legilgalad2]

I don't really care which is better mathematically or whatever. I just use the one I like and thats it.

[josh181830]

 

In that context:

 

Quite: an adverb that is a synonym to "very"

 

Quit: a verb which means to cease or stop

 

(I like spelling and grammar; get over it :P )

 

This is not opinionated. The exp per hour is fact; a scimitar gives more exp than a longsword. Special attacks can be up for debate. Preference is opinionated. I know that the d long is inferior to the scimitar in terms of stats and dps, but I still use it because I just happen to like the longsword. Just because I like it does not counteract the fact that a scimitar has higher dps. Now, we can get into how much better the longsword is than the scimitar in stab attacks, but then that would be going off-topic.

 

 

 

Hurray for spelling at grammar :

 

 

 

I got caught up in this debate a few days ago and my friend loaned me a rune long for me to test (So Jagex actually made something useful :shock: )

 

 

 

We dueled a few times and I had a stopwatch on my computer. Roughly, reaction times aside, the rune long hits once every 3 seconds. The rune scimitar hits once every 2.4 seconds.

 

That's about a ratio of 4:5, meaning after 12 seconds, the rune long has hit 4 times, and the scimitar 5 times.

 

 

 

We have to make the realization that +2 slash is negligible and the defence bonuses also quite pointless at higher levels.

 

 

 

In most cases, the rune long WILL give +1 to my max hit over the scimmy. However, this is dependent on strength level, other equipment, prayers, etc.

 

 

 

From this, one can see that at perhaps lower levels (Just reached 40 attack and defence and your opponent around the same), the rune long isn't bad for short duels. That addition to max hit, 4% increase in slash, and slight defence bonuses may make enough of a difference to pull you through to a win :

 

 

 

However at higher levels where most are using full rune, have relatively high defence, and high attack, those tiny advantages of the rune long which may have made a difference in a low-level duel almost completely vanish into nothingness. The max hit increase would be about the only advantage over the rune scimitar. But with a ratio of 4:5, I'd choose the scim. You had 4 chances to hit me. I have 5 in the same time bracket.

 

 

 

All of the above just explores PVP. In a training scenario, rune scimitar is really the best choice. Training looks at how fast you can get that xp. Over extended periods of time, that 0.6 second difference really really adds up.

 

 

 

I think I need to try this with a b axe and a R2H to see which is the better finisher...

 

 

 

 

 

Can you send me a PM when you've determined the better finisher?

 

 

 

OT: Just challenge someone who has the same stats as you, long vs skimmy.. or make new accounts with a friend to determine the better weapon.

[RayOxide]

Longsword is only 0.5x slower than a scim, a scim will hit 1x p/second, and a long 2x in 3 seconds. It can make a difference, it will make a difference.

 

 

 

Although I <3 rune longsword. Rune scim looks so lame, and the longsword just owns it.

 

 

 

And from personal experiences I found a rune long to be more accurate with higher hits, though this was about 8 months ago.

[Owned_Nex]

The ONLY way D long> scimmy

 

 

 

1: Only hitting once

 

2:Infinant Special attacks

[Mylez]

The ONLY way D long> scimmy

 

 

 

1: Only hitting once

 

2:Infinant Special attacks

 

 

 

Not THE ONLY way at all. It's simply personal preferance. They're so close in bonuses, it's pretty hard to tell the difference between the two anyway. And there's other things to consider, such as looks - some people may prefer the agressive style of the Scimmy, or the simplistic nature of the Longsword.

 

 

 

As for the specials, most people who use a Scimmy, switch to another weapon (such as DDS) then switch back. :)

 

 

 

I kinda wish people would drop this debate, as it's only opinion as to which is "better". ;)

[sup3rpur]

Jagex straight up says in the knowledge base the scimmy is better. End of argument.

[Grogthurk]

As far as Dragons are concerned, isn't it generally better to use the whip? Granted it has a slash attack and not stab, but its really fast and has higher str?

[Owned_Nex]

The ONLY way D long> scimmy

 

 

 

1: Only hitting once

 

2:Infinant Special attacks

 

 

 

Not THE ONLY way at all. It's simply personal preferance. They're so close in bonuses, it's pretty hard to tell the difference between the two anyway. And there's other things to consider, such as looks - some people may prefer the agressive style of the Scimmy, or the simplistic nature of the Longsword.

 

 

 

As for the specials, most people who use a Scimmy, switch to another weapon (such as DDS) then switch back. :)

 

 

 

I kinda wish people would drop this debate, as it's only opinion as to which is "better". ;)

 

 

 

True its preference. But this is a debate, so we are assuming thats its not just "I like this so this is best"

 

 

 

They are alsmot same in stats, but the difference is speed.

 

Almost twice as fast(3:5)

 

 

 

The difference is STAGGERING. Hitting twice as much is simply overwhelming.

[Canineteeth]

What would you choose, a weapon that has +1 attack bonus but hit once per second, or a weapon that has +200 attack bonus but hit once per hour? :mrgreen:

 

 

 

Longswords are 1.5x slower (from what I know) than scimitars, sorry to break your bubble.

 

 

 

Wrong. While I know the KB doesn't say speed, I'm quiet sure it doesn't lie on the little bars it gives us to compare speed.

 

 

 

Longsword has 5 bars.

 

Scimitar has 6 bars. Get your facts straight.

 

 

 

Anyways, speed is almost everything in this game sadly, the strategy of using a mace or warhammers fails due to speed. If only the differences in defences against different types of weapons would be enlargened. I remember being a noob looking in the KB and actually thinking of which weapons to use against who.

 

 

 

 

Longswords

 

(Bronze, iron, steel, black, white (m), mithril, adamant, rune, dragon (m))

 

 

 

[image]

 

The warrior's friend. The longsword is excellent when stabbing or slashing opponents. It can deal a good amount of damage, and is faster than the two-handed sword, battleaxe or warhammer. Like the mace, the longsword also has a 'controlled' fighting option.

 

 

 

Scimitars

 

(Bronze, iron, steel, black, white (m), mithril, adamant, rune, dragon (m))

 

 

 

[image]

 

The scimitar is mainly a slashing weapon, although it does have a less effective stab attack. It's not as flexible as the shortsword, but it deals slightly more damage. Slashing weapons are good against cloth and leather armour.

 

 

 

From here.

[Nel Tu Oderschvank]

 

Longswords

 

(Bronze, iron, steel, black, white (m), mithril, adamant, rune, dragon (m))

 

 

 

[image]

 

The warrior's friend. The longsword is excellent when stabbing or slashing opponents. It can deal a good amount of damage, and is faster than the two-handed sword, battleaxe or warhammer. Like the mace, the longsword also has a 'controlled' fighting option.

 

 

 

Scimitars

 

(Bronze, iron, steel, black, white (m), mithril, adamant, rune, dragon (m))

 

 

 

[image]

 

The scimitar is mainly a slashing weapon, although it does have a less effective stab attack. It's not as flexible as the shortsword, but it deals slightly more damage. Slashing weapons are good against cloth and leather armour.

 

 

 

 

 

The Knowledge Base made a mistake? :shock: "but it deals slightly more damage" :?:

 

 

 

Hmm...if thats the real case, a fast weapon+ability to deal more damage than a Longsword will be the choice for most players. Of course I guess the KB probably made a mistake there..

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh wait, it deals slightly more damage than the SHORTsword. :oops: My bad :lol: