Baby Thrown on Ground & Killed

[Lenin64]

My sister told me about some fable her teacher told her class about raging rivers and funny accents. The point is, if a frog drowns, so does the scorpion, sting or not. It's what they do. Now get over yourself and use that momentum to get back on topic.

[Zierro]

That is a shame to such a precious little life, hope the angels are looking after him. It was completely the wrong thing to do but looking at things from her prospective (to help people understand why things like this happen) some people will never know how frustrating a screaming baby can be. It can crawl under your skin and upset the calmest of calmest people. Unless you've been with a screaming child 24 hours a day, you will never know what it's like. Thinking about how it is and actually being there are completely different.

 

 

 

I live with my siblings and cousins and they drive me up the wall. There are times when I want to throw them out the window, but all it takes is self-control and stuff like that won't happen.

 

 

 

That is way different to a screaming baby.

 

 

 

Good point. Instead, I have to deal with smart [wagon] remarks, getting hit by them, and screaming kiddies. You're right - they are way different.

 

 

 

Must be compare small things to big things? It really ruins a point of a arguement :roll:

 

 

 

Yes, it did ruin the point of his argument. That was what motivated me to do so. Also, I don't see how purposely throwing a one-year-old down is just merely a "small thing". Saying that it's a "human thing to do" justifies it just as much as saying genocide is a human thing to do. :roll: :roll:

[r4ngewarlord]

its disgusting and totally wrong but i cant see how she could crack like that.

 

i've heard of worse thou, some family tortured there 2 year old daughter untill she died, they put her in a washing machine untill she nearly died giving her a bleeding nose and they often beat her, while the mother just sat there and watched.

[Orpheus]

Touchdown!

 

 

 

Haha that was so funny,

 

 

 

Did your mom do that to you, maybe thats why your development is slightly delayed

 

But considering your attitude, I think it would have been better, if you weren't here at all.

 

 

 

No hard feelings? :pray:

 

 

 

I think I'd prefer Lenin here instead of you.

 

 

 

You still weeping over the scamming thread?

 

 

 

Nice way to pick a fight mate, he just makes a humorous comment, that is funny although not necessarily fitting. No need to call anyone [developmentally delayed]s, because of that, I won't take you seriously. Be thankful you don't get your [wagon] banned.

[i_love_burritos]

sorry, guys.

 

 

 

I think You misunderstood me.

 

 

 

I was referring to bouwzie not Lenin.

 

 

 

Of course everyone would prefer Lenin over me. he is a funny, funny guy.

 

 

 

I too was just making a joke. (im not too good at those "jokes" and "humor")

 

 

 

Was not directing my comment towards lenin, responding to bouwzie.

 

 

 

Again, sorry for any misunderstanding.

 

 

 

EDIT: i dont think im making too many friends here. #-o

 

sorry lenin :(

[Orpheus]

You quoted lenin, so we thought you were referring to him, if you quoted the other guy, i'd be more inclined to agree if you had a good point. That was still mean.

 

 

 

Let's get back to whatever little conversation there is left here.

[IGoddessI]

Good point. Instead, I have to deal with smart [wagon] remarks, getting hit by them, and screaming kiddies. You're right - they are way different.

 

 

 

Being related to them and giving birth to them and being connected on a completely different level, is different. Something nothing but a mother will ever experience. But since we're referring to someone who wasn't connected to them in that way, it does come down to self control. But if you read my post you would understand I was explaining to people why it happens, not justifying why it happened. So your comment wasn't worth mentioning after quoting me. It would be more relevant as a single response to the situation in general.

[Zierro]

Good point. Instead, I have to deal with smart [wagon] remarks, getting hit by them, and screaming kiddies. You're right - they are way different.

 

 

 

Being related to them and giving birth to them and being connected on a completely different level, is different. Something nothing but a mother will ever experience. But since we're referring to someone who wasn't connected to them in that way, it does come down to self control. But if you read my post you would understand I was explaining to people why it happens, not justifying why it happened. So your comment wasn't worth mentioning after quoting me. It would be more relevant as a single response to the situation in general.

 

 

 

You're right on that. My main point was mainly directed towards how you said thinking about it and being there are completely different. I think you're correct, but I think a lot of people on this thread have had similar situations and they did not snap like she did. It just shows something about her self-control.

[IGoddessI]

As a whole, it does come down to self control. Some people have it and others don't. It does get to me that people who can't handle stress very well even consider these sorts of jobs. It requires someone very special to put up with screaming kids 24/7. Whether it be a brother, a mother or a child care worker. Or even if people don't handle stress very well, how they handle that stress is critical. That's the difference between leaving the room for 5 minutes, taking some deep breaths and giving a child 1st/2nd story injuries. It would be interesting to know what was running through her mind when she did it. The media doesn't really go in to depth and it annoys me lol I like to hear the full story.

[i_love_burritos]

Touchdown!

 

 

 

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[evil_mumm_ra]

good job not even quoting the right person.

[i_love_burritos]

Removed

 

 

 

Was just replying to dragoonson.

 

 

 

will change.

 

 

 

Thanks you ( i cant think of anything to say,

 

what are your nickname, evill mumm, ra?)

 

 

 

Mod edit: Don't evade the censor - Rainy_Day

[purfishx]

That's a shame.

[stan18]

I agree. People say she liked children, for gods sake she worked at a child care center (whom don't get paid much, either - not much more than minimum wage). Its way to harsh to ruin someone's life over a bad decision that turned out for the worst.

 

 

 

Of course, i'm not saying her act should be ignored, nor that her action is right. Simply, that her behavior is human

 

 

 

Is mass genocide human too?

 

 

 

Yes it is. Survival of the fittest, taking down competition, etc, etc. Please note, however, that i am only replying to your comment as you propose it (that mass genocide is human) - that anger, hate, greed and jealousy are all human emotions, just as love and caring are, too. Right and wrong are constructs of society, don't put that into your argument because i did not.

 

 

 

That is a shame to such a precious little life, hope the angels are looking after him. It was completely the wrong thing to do but looking at things from her prospective (to help people understand why things like this happen) some people will never know how frustrating a screaming baby can be. It can crawl under your skin and upset the calmest of calmest people. Unless you've been with a screaming child 24 hours a day, you will never know what it's like. Thinking about how it is and actually being there are completely different. I have the softest of hearts and still could only handle so much before I had to palm my son off for 10 minutes peace and quiet to keep my sanity in tact. There seems to be an underlying issue with the child care worker and I'm willing to place my bets on anxiety/inability to cope well in stressful situations. There is an extremely high percentage of women who work in childcare who have been through childhood abuse or trauma. It is for these reasons that although, they can be some of the most caring people around, they should not be allowed to work with children. I would like to see a psych exam before anyone works with children. Even people with serious mental health issues could not be medicated nor diagnosed by a medical professional upon employment and it's not safe. I do think she is remorseful and probably in shock at her actions but let it be a lesson to those who have suffered, as admirable as your help can be, to step away from those sorts of professions. The impact of the wounds (1-2 story drop injuries) suggests trauma in the carer. Once again, I am not defending her actions, I think they are appalling. I'm merely choosing not to be emotional about the topic and give the chance for people to look further in to what makes people behave like this. Bless his little cotton socks :(

 

 

 

While her action as a whole is tragic, im doubting there were preexisting psychological conditions or factors that fueled her action. From the article, it seemed like she was under great stress outside her work (myspace), and, of course, stress makes us susceptible to more stress.

 

 

 

Something like this could have happened to anyone, her circumstances led to the worst outcome, though. And sadly, i don't think theres an exam that would be able to filter out childcare workers.

 

 

 

Normally I'm always pretty tolerant. But what the [bleep]*. You don't throw babies on the ground! What was she thinking?? This angers me.Please do not evade the censor ~tripsis

 

 

 

She wasn't thinking. Thats usually the case when someone does something didn't mean to (and by that, i mean in a normal circumstance)

 

 

 

That is a shame to such a precious little life, hope the angels are looking after him. It was completely the wrong thing to do but looking at things from her prospective (to help people understand why things like this happen) some people will never know how frustrating a screaming baby can be. It can crawl under your skin and upset the calmest of calmest people. Unless you've been with a screaming child 24 hours a day, you will never know what it's like. Thinking about how it is and actually being there are completely different.

 

 

 

I live with my siblings and cousins and they drive me up the wall. There are times when I want to throw them out the window, but all it takes is self-control and stuff like that won't happen.

 

 

 

But bad stuff does happen. Not everyone can be just like you, with your limitless self control.

 

 

 

Good point. Instead, I have to deal with smart [wagon] remarks, getting hit by them, and screaming kiddies. You're right - they are way different.

 

 

 

Being related to them and giving birth to them and being connected on a completely different level, is different. Something nothing but a mother will ever experience. But since we're referring to someone who wasn't connected to them in that way, it does come down to self control. But if you read my post you would understand I was explaining to people why it happens, not justifying why it happened. So your comment wasn't worth mentioning after quoting me. It would be more relevant as a single response to the situation in general.

 

 

 

You're right on that. My main point was mainly directed towards how you said thinking about it and being there are completely different. I think you're correct, but I think a lot of people on this thread have had similar situations and they did not snap like she did. It just shows something about her self-control.

 

 

 

What does it show about her self control, then? And why does what it show matter? You got your head wrapped around her self control and how shes such a terrible person for not having it. Do you think she doesn't realize that?

 

 

 

And once again, her circumstances led to the worst of outcomes. I have high tolerance but i still snap; ill shout and regret it, or act impulsively and apologize afterwards. Should that be the sole judge of my character? Should her one action be the sole judge of hers?

[IGoddessI]

While her action as a whole is tragic, im doubting there were preexisting psychological conditions or factors that fueled her action. From the article, it seemed like she was under great stress outside her work (myspace), and, of course, stress makes us susceptible to more stress.

 

 

 

It seems as though you missed the whole sentence referring back to "inability to cope well with stress". So looks like that's one thing we can both agree on. By the way did you know anxiety is the "inability to cope well with stress"? (and other facets of course, but that one is a real winner).

 

 

Something like this could have happened to anyone, her circumstances led to the worst outcome, though. And sadly, i don't think theres an exam that would be able to filter out childcare workers.

 

 

 

As Zierro said it comes down to self control. Throwing babies and giving them 1st and 2nd story injuries, resulting in death doesn't happen to just anyone. It happens to people who can't control their feelings. Nobody suggested an exam to "filter out" childcare workers. If you have the inability to cope with stress, don't apply.

 

 

 

What does it show about her self control, then? And why does what it show matter? You got your head wrapped around her self control and how shes such a terrible person for not having it. Do you think she doesn't realize that?

 

 

 

If she does realize she has poor self control, why would you put yourself in the circumstance where something terrible can happen? That's just stupid really. "I snap easily, so I applied for a job to work with babies and children" :wall: much?? lol

 

 

And once again, her circumstances led to the worst of outcomes. I have high tolerance but i still snap; ill shout and regret it, or act impulsively and apologize afterwards. Should that be the sole judge of my character? Should her one action be the sole judge of hers?

 

 

 

The point is she applied for a job that has high stress levels. Even if outside factors contributing to her stress made her "snap" she could have dealt them appropriately such as seeking counselling or time off. If that's too much to ask for, don't work with children.

 

 

 

Everyone acts impulsively at times, it IS a bad judge of character and that's exactly why you apologized for it afterward. Should that be the sole judge of your character? No it isn't, as it is a part of the personality that makes you a whole. I don't see anyone here judging her character as a whole at all, I see people judging the part of her that killed an innocent baby.

[killerbeer0]

ehh... changed my mind

[Bouwzie]

Touchdown!

 

 

 

Haha that was so funny,

 

 

 

Did your mom do that to you, maybe thats why your development is slightly delayed

 

But considering your attitude, I think it would have been better, if you weren't here at all.

 

 

 

No hard feelings? :pray:

 

 

 

I think I'd prefer Lenin here instead of you.

 

 

 

You still weeping over the scamming thread?

 

 

 

Why would I weep over your stupidity? And by the way, work on your jokes.

[deloriagod]

I read a few comments on the first page and knew this whole thread was going to be people saying just how terrible an event like this is and an argument over God knows what. Whatever, this stuff happens every not. Not surprising.

[dragon312]

Bad thing this happened but why do people always go like super sensitive, they probably don't even know the kid, and besides, things like this happen everyday but then 10x worse.

[Will H]

It's a shame that someone would snap like that in that situation, but it probably happens fairly frequently when parents with low stress tolerance have to look after a screaming child. Personally, I can't stand small kids, but I don't actually throw them.

[Quoi_Tu]

Bad thing this happened but why do people always go like super sensitive, they probably don't even know the kid, and besides, things like this happen everyday but then 10x worse.

 

Cruelty and harm to children always catches attention faster than the same to adults. Also, we care a lot less about the bad things that happen outside our country or even our region or even beyond our own personal bubble.

[Blutters]

People chastise her for the likely accidental murder of the child, and her life will likely be ruined because of it.

 

Does this not make them hypocrites? They are destroying her chance at a desirable life at the same time; they are murdering her on purpose, because of an accident. She ended a life, but who is to say that the person that child could have became would or would not have any value to society? She does have value. She could be reformed to refit into society. The child is a lost cause. The child is dead; she is not. Her actions unintentionally led to the death of a child. This doesn't make her a murderer. The baby is replaceable. It did not have a will of its own. It did not yet have value. It did not and could not yet contribute. Who is to say? It could have become someone that could have changed history forever. But it can't, and won't now. There's no helping it now. Jailing her isn't going to help; it'll just mark the loss of more life.

 

People take months, years, decades to be created, and seconds to be destroyed...

[AceBeam]

Predictable outcome here, what can you expect? The baby to bounce like a ball?

 

Whoops.

 

 

 

That lady sounds like a [bleep]. I doubt she actually loved kids. Nobody does >_>

 

AHEM. I would like to redirect YOU, and everyone reading this, to the quote in my sig.

 

I knew typing that down there would help me at some point.

[IGoddessI]

People chastise her for the likely accidental murder of the child, and her life will likely be ruined because of it.

 

Does this not make them hypocrites? They are destroying her chance at a desirable life at the same time; they are murdering her on purpose, because of an accident. She ended a life, but who is to say that the person that child could have became would or would not have any value to society? She does have value. She could be reformed to refit into society. The child is a lost cause. The child is dead; she is not. Her actions unintentionally led to the death of a child. This doesn't make her a murderer. The baby is replaceable. It did not have a will of its own. It did not yet have value. It did not and could not yet contribute. Who is to say? It could have become someone that could have changed history forever. But it can't, and won't now. There's no helping it now. Jailing her isn't going to help; it'll just mark the loss of more life.

 

People take months, years, decades to be created, and seconds to be destroyed...

 

 

 

Unfortunately that's the way life works. I'm not going to be a part of that population though. I realize the part of her that made her act irrationally is a part of her that I don't like. I don't agree that it was an accident though. Clouded judgment sure, but not accidental. Accidental would be carrying the child and slipping on a wet floor, resulting in the infants death. The child is not a lost cause. People create history and path way for future generations whether they are alive or dead. In the eyes of the law, she killed a child, with clouded judgment and therefore, is a murderer. I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that the baby is "replaceable". I would love to see your face if you lost your child and someone said "oh they're replaceable!" (I wouldn't really wish that upon anyone. It's just a figure of speech). Just to give you an idea, I'd rather be DEAD than have to go through the grief of losing my little one. You won't know what it feels like until you have your own kid.

 

 

 

Excuse me for a moment, a little voice inside me is just begging to face palm you in the forehead but instead I'm just going to say EVERY LIFE HAS VALUE IN THIS WORLD!!.

 

 

 

I feel much better now. I agree however that jail probably won't do much justice. She would probably benefit more from social rehabilitation and banned from working with children in the future. That's the law for you.

[Distracted]

What caused her to snap? Something must've been wrong at home or something...