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Mod Mat K & Manipulator clans Debate


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Post what's said here or screenshots, because i really cba to go somewere else to read something when i come to Tif.
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I'll quote my friend from Truthscape here.



Jmod Mat K was in goldmerch yesterday, it's one of the biggest clanmerchclans...

He was talking about clanmerchanting (not so positive), later that day Limpwurt roots (which was their merch) dropped 73gp (can't be seen on the graphs!) , while being bought out.

Now, one day later they still are bought out, they never weren't.

I hope I can get pictures of what he said, I'm looking for them atm..



Was this an action against clanmerchanting, did jagex (mod mat k, who says he didn't do it) lower prices? Or was this just weird behaviour of the ge?



More about this: http://forum.runesca...58925189,goto,1



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What exactly did he do?


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It appears that Mod Mat K doubts that Jagex intervened at all, so how does that make him heroic? Apparently what happened was that someone or some group of people dumped massive amounts of limpwurt roots and that screwed over the merchant clans that were investing. And now they have descended into a 78 page rant fest on how jagex is corrupting the game



Personally, I can't for sure say if Jagex got involved. It does seem odd that although there were thousands of offers for max, somehow limps still managed to go DOWN in price. It defies all laws of economics, unless somehow someone or some people managed to obtain a surplus of limpwurt roots beyond the economy's demand, sold it to everyone who wanted it at max, then managed to drop the price with the remaining limps. Sounds doubtful, but still possible. But the merchants refuse to agree, everyone in that 78 page thread is convinced that Jagex screwed with the economy to discourage investing. I'm interested to see how this all turns out.

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It dropped for a little over 5%, which makes no sense normally.
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Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2.

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So what if Jagex interviened, its their game, they don't want to see an item which is regularly traded being manipulated beyond what regular players will pay for the item, simple as. They are doing it for the greater # of players.



Price manipulation has always been against the Rs rules, yet these clans manipulating the prices still persist, yes it is because the g.e can be manipulated, but just because you can do something, should you?



good on em if they did drop the price, i want to sit here laughing at all the bandwagon merchants that will lose money.
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Someone find this Mod Mat K and give him a big shiny trophy.



Jagex screwed with the economy to discourage investing




Or discourage price gouging, as the clan was doing with limpwurt roots.
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I lol'd.

Good job Mod_Mat_K.

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I read all Mod Mat K's (that's his name, right?) comments in the thread and this was the most interesting one:

There are many questions that I can't answer, mainly because the answered are considered commercially sensitive and therefore confidential. The two areas these cover are internal policy on merchanting clans (eg whether we interfere with prices of items being merchanted or what our strategic position on merchanting clans are) and how the Grand Exchange works.


From this, I assume they have some kind of policy worked out, which (I hope) at least consists of some intervention. It's surely nice to know they know the situation. I'm just speculating, but maybe this was a test how people reacted when merched items were manually altered, or how a new anti-merching system works or something. Either way, this got my hopes up a bit.

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Read through the thread if you want to see the average age of merchant clan members.



I just hope Jagex read Tipit more than that thread, and know that we don't all think like the people there, and aren't all whiney little brats.



Mod Mat K did say something which these merchant clans should listen to, merchanting is a risky business, this time it didn't pay off.
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Twss halarious when he agreed with me when I said they ruined the economy. Then I got kicked and ignore listed from their cc :roll: 8-)



I read all Mod Mat K's (that's his name, right?) comments in the thread and this was the most interesting one:

There are many questions that I can't answer, mainly because the answered are considered commercially sensitive and therefore confidential. The two areas these cover are internal policy on merchanting clans (eg whether we interfere with prices of items being merchanted or what our strategic position on merchanting clans are) and how the Grand Exchange works.


From this, I assume they have some kind of policy worked out, which (I hope) at least consists of some intervention. It's surely nice to know they know the situation. I'm just speculating, but maybe this was a test how people reacted when merched items were manually altered, or how a new anti-merching system works or something. Either way, this got my hopes up a bit.




As for intervention they do intervene alot which is best shown best by when 3rd age started rising/dropping everyday and when spirit shields had a massive rise.
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Way to go, MMK.



Maybe if Jagex continues to intercept items that clans try to buy out, the premise of "clan merchanting" will die out. Merchant clans are the most insidious creation of the post 12/10 era, so I have no sympathy for them. I honestly would laude Jagex if they simply took the initiative and banned all those locusts.
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I'm glad to see something's happening to these merchant clans.



Personally, I'd just ban all the clan leaders (maybe give them a week to shut down just to be fair... maybe... ;) ), but dropping the price on items being manipulated seems to have entertaining results, so maybe they should just keep doing that. :lol:

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Glad to see that many in this thread share same view as me of these price manipulating clans. Also good that Jagex is well aware of it, if price manipulating clans number rise then it could lead to bad game play.

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Haha, reading this thread literally made me "lol" which I seldom do. Mod Mat K has a great sense of humour and this situation is delightful.
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You all dont get it. These clans arnt doing anything wrong, its the mechanic of the GE thats broken. Dont hate the players, hate the game.

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Why would I hate the game? If I could choose to hate anyone in this situation, it's the few who profit by manipulating a nice system Jagex implemented into the game.
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This could be very entertaining, depending on how it plays out. I'd like to see some action taken. :<img src=:' />


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If price manipulation is against rules theres quite a lot of bannable people there



06-Jun-2009 00:33:06

WE THE PEOPLE MAKE YOU MONEY JAGEX.

WE THE PEOPLE LIKE TO MERCHANT JAGEX.

WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE JOBS JAGEX.

WE THE PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP OUR PRICE MANIPULATION CLANS JAGEX!






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