Mod Mat K & Manipulator clans Debate

[ArtemisCatal]

You are still misidentifying what this really is; it is insider trading. It is unfair. And dont say life isnt fair, because the more people who say it and except it, the more unfair life becomes. These monopolies are destroying the economy for all the people dont or wont or cant join their little crime syndicates.

 

 

 

One person using their items to move the economy is one thing. It is the Organized Conspiracy to manipulate the economy and that is insider trading. Its a monopoly that is using its power to bring sections of the Runescape economy under its thumb.

 

 

 

That said, I dont see a way of ending it. I dont think mass bans are appropriate. I dont think it can be stopped, and I dont think it will be stopped. RWT had to be stopped because of real world credit card fraud. Unless some ramification of these in game activities filter over into the real world, I dont think Jagex will risk the lose of consumers that the mass bans over what is essentially a gray(ish) moral issue in game will cause. But I think Jagex undermining the clans by manipulating the prices is just turn about being fair play.

 

 

 

Regardless, I never bought anything in the old RS economy because I didnt want to support gold farmers, and I buy very little in the New RS economy because I pretty much got in the habit of being self-sufficient. So the economy can go to merry hell for all Im invested in it.

[joke_slayer]

best update since summon batch 2

 

 

 

whoever is responsible is now a true rs legend

[magzar]

You are still misidentifying what this really is; it is insider trading. It is unfair. And dont say life isnt fair, because the more people who say it and except it, the more unfair life becomes. These monopolies are destroying the economy for all the people dont or wont or cant join their little crime syndicates.

 

 

 

One person using their items to move the economy is one thing. It is the Organized Conspiracy to manipulate the economy and that is insider trading. Its a monopoly that is using its power to bring sections of the Runescape economy under its thumb.

 

 

 

That said, I dont see a way of ending it. I dont think mass bans are appropriate. I dont think it can be stopped, and I dont think it will be stopped. RWT had to be stopped because of real world credit card fraud. Unless some ramification of these in game activities filter over into the real world, I dont think Jagex will risk the lose of consumers that the mass bans over what is essentially a gray(ish) moral issue in game will cause. But I think Jagex undermining the clans by manipulating the prices is just turn about being fair play.

 

 

 

Regardless, I never bought anything in the old RS economy because I didnt want to support gold farmers, and I buy very little in the New RS economy because I pretty much got in the habit of being self-sufficient. So the economy can go to merry hell for all Im invested in it.

 

 

 

 

 

I think if they explicitly stated that organized price manipulation clans were against the rules, and that organizing them would be a bannable offense, then a lot of players would disassociate themselves from such behavior and move more towards Solo merchanting or other methods of money making. I actually suspect banning would be a last resort, reserved for the leaders of clans who refuse to shut down when the rule was announced. I don't think mass bannings would even be necessary. If you ban 5 or 6 of the most prominent clan leaders, the example might be enough to scare off a lot of players.

 

 

 

I actually don't even think that they would have to change anything to combat price manipulation the way they did for RWT as it is much easier to go through logs of suspected manipulators and find proof, than it would be to find out if someone used a credit card to buy gold or items from someone else before the advent of trade limits.

 

 

 

Rsw44: do you think it would be possible the next time MMG does one of his Q&A sessions to try to ask a couple questions about the G.E. and see what he'll tell us? If I'm not mistaken you're one of the people who are able to pose questions to him and it would certainly be nice to know how the queue functions, and to verify if 5% fluctuation is in fact the normal cap on how much an item can change in price each day.

 

 

 

Edit: i'll admit I kinda want those questions answered so I can gloat a little if i was right. \

[ArtemisCatal]

It will never matter what Jagex says unless they show proff that they are going to back it up with some kind of punishment. I don't think they will. I think it will be one more rule that everyone (who wants to) will ignore for having no teeth.

[magzar]

It will never matter what Jagex says unless they show proff that they are going to back it up with some kind of punishment. I don't think they will. I think it will be one more rule that everyone (who wants to) will ignore for having no teeth.

 

 

 

Macroers, bug abusers, and people who are suspected of RWTing are very commonly banned. I think it would be even easier to catch clan manipulators that it would be to catch those people.

 

 

 

If you see items beginning to be bought out, you check chatlogs for commonly mentioned usernames and the like. And I'm sure you're thinking "what about IRC." My answer to that is, with the bigger clans do you really expect that everyone in them is going to be smart enough to not talk about their buyouts and who's behind them in game? All it takes is a few people opening their mouths and it all comes crumbling down.

 

 

 

On top of that, I agree it would be a good idea if Jagex intervened when prices were being manipulated. Causing these clan merchants to lose money instead of gaining it would be another great deterrent against them.

[Master_Smither]

 

 

 

Rsw44: do you think it would be possible the next time MMG does one of his Q&A sessions to try to ask a couple questions about the G.E. and see what he'll tell us? If I'm not mistaken you're one of the people who are able to pose questions to him and it would certainly be nice to know how the queue functions, and to verify if 5% fluctuation is in fact the normal cap on how much an item can change in price each day.

 

 

 

Edit: i'll admit I kinda want those questions answered so I can gloat a little if i was right. \

 

 

 

As for a Q&A session he hasn't done one of those in a very long time and due to complaining about not being able to see the questions and answers because the chat was full he stopped it almost completely. He comes in from time to time and takes some questions but nothign revealing anymore. As for the 5% thing I can confirm that yes it is the normal drop/rise percentage if the item shows a clear rise or a clear fall. Now Jagex changed partyhats to 1% and shield shields and 3rd age to 10% but that was to help the market adjust.

[ArtemisCatal]

Bug abusers *spits up on screen* you mean all the people using beast of burden in f2p pvp were banned and I missed it?

[Dragonlordjl]

Bug abusers *spits up on screen* you mean all the people using beast of burden in f2p pvp were banned and I missed it?

 

 

 

Very few of them were banned. Jagex was too afraid to undo all the work they've done towards improving the opinions of PKers.

[ArtemisCatal]

Bug abusers *spits up on screen* you mean all the people using beast of burden in f2p pvp were banned and I missed it?

 

 

 

Very few of them were banned. Jagex was too afraid to undo all the work they've done towards improving the opinions of PKers.

 

 

 

Hence rules without teeth. Jagex is too afraid to do the massive bans on gray issues to ever put a meaningful end to it. Only banning a few people will only up the adrenaline rush of risk taking for the rest. The money is too good.

[Mr_Recci]

Go Jagex! :thumbup: :thumbup:

[Master_Smither]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

[Carl]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

 

 

 

Happy to say I was possibly the last person to click "Kick user Goldmerch" :twss:

 

 

 

I'm glad something's finally being done. :thumbsup:

[Master_Smither]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

 

 

 

Happy to say I was possibly the last person to click "Kick user Goldmerch" :twss:

 

 

 

I'm glad something's finally being done. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

You beat me to the kick :cry: :cry: :cry:

[forestfrolic]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

 

 

 

Happy to say I was possibly the last person to click "Kick user Goldmerch" :twss:

 

 

 

I'm glad something's finally being done. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

You beat me to the kick :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

 

 

I was so confused about what you guys were saying. Then I read your names and I was like.. oh.. mod mmg's clan chat. Haha. What was goldmerch doing?

[Master_Smither]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

 

 

 

Happy to say I was possibly the last person to click "Kick user Goldmerch" :twss:

 

 

 

I'm glad something's finally being done. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

You beat me to the kick :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

 

 

I was so confused about what you guys were saying. Then I read your names and I was like.. oh.. mod mmg's clan chat. Haha. What was goldmerch doing?

 

 

 

He came in and trolled and flamed us and Jagex mod's.

 

 

 

Anyway their cc is having a riot :roll: :lol:

[forestfrolic]

Seems like Jagex has locked the account 'Goldmerch'. :|

 

 

 

Happy to say I was possibly the last person to click "Kick user Goldmerch" :twss:

 

 

 

I'm glad something's finally being done. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

You beat me to the kick :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

 

 

I was so confused about what you guys were saying. Then I read your names and I was like.. oh.. mod mmg's clan chat. Haha. What was goldmerch doing?

 

 

 

He came in and trolled and flamed us and Jagex mod's.

 

 

 

Anyway their cc is having a riot :roll: :lol:

 

 

 

Haha, awh.. I got to miss his downfall? How sad.

 

 

 

I just went into his cc and they're all talking about "protesting" and some video on youtube where they're supposed to watch, then comment that they want merching or something..

[un4given]

I don't understand why people think that taking advantage of the ge's flawed system to make money is considered against the rules. Just like the 26k trick, it's discouraged but people still do it. If you don't like it, move on and make money/items other ways. Until jagex does something about it, there's really nothing nobody can do.

[magzar]

I don't understand why people think that taking advantage of the ge's flawed system to make money is considered against the rules. Just like the 26k trick, it's discouraged but people still do it. If you don't like it, move on and make money/items other ways. Until jagex does something about it, there's really nothing anybody can do.

 

 

 

 

 

I corrected your grammar. Don't use double negatives.

 

 

 

On topic, there is never a specific rule saying "don't do this action which will benefit you greatly because it's a bug" even though everyone know jagex's opinion on bug abuse. some players do it anyway, and end up banned. Do you think they were justified? they simply exploited a flaw in the system as well.

[Stewie_Griffen]

Get Chessy next! :thumbsup:

[un4given]

I don't understand why people think that taking advantage of the ge's flawed system to make money is considered against the rules. Just like the 26k trick, it's discouraged but people still do it. If you don't like it, move on and make money/items other ways. Until jagex does something about it, there's really nothing anybody can do.

 

 

 

 

 

I corrected your grammar. Don't use double negatives.

 

 

 

On topic, there is never a specific rule saying "don't do this action which will benefit you greatly because it's a bug" even though everyone know jagex's opinion on bug abuse. some players do it anyway, and end up banned. Do you think they were justified? they simply exploited a flaw in the system as well.

 

 

 

Um, ty for the correction? Prove that players have been banned using merch clans and prove that jagex's opinion on merch clans is bug abuse.

[magzar]

I don't understand why people think that taking advantage of the ge's flawed system to make money is considered against the rules. Just like the 26k trick, it's discouraged but people still do it. If you don't like it, move on and make money/items other ways. Until jagex does something about it, there's really nothing anybody can do.

 

 

 

 

 

I corrected your grammar. Don't use double negatives.

 

 

 

On topic, there is never a specific rule saying "don't do this action which will benefit you greatly because it's a bug" even though everyone know jagex's opinion on bug abuse. some players do it anyway, and end up banned. Do you think they were justified? they simply exploited a flaw in the system as well.

 

 

 

Um, ty for the correction? Prove that players have been banned using merch clans and prove that jagex's opinion on merch clans is bug abuse.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say it was bug abuse. I compared it to bug abuse. Anyway if you read the Kb it says jagex may intervene on prices if manipulation is taking place, and mmg has confirmed that they see it as a problem.

[xretiredx]

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[forestfrolic]

Get Chessy next! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

This

 

 

 

and, I love how this is all working out. Wish I knew what world the Goldmerch riot was going on in. It would be fun to see the manipulators cry over this.

 

 

 

World 2 buddy. Go have a grand time.

[Master_Smither]

Get Chessy next! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

This

 

 

 

and, I love how this is all working out. Wish I knew what world the Goldmerch riot was going on in. It would be fun to see the manipulators cry over this.

 

 

 

It was in world 2 and mods muted the rioters quickly for spamming. Basically a riot with about 20 mad ranked members of the cc it failed :-#

[magzar]

Get Chessy next! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

This

 

 

 

and, I love how this is all working out. Wish I knew what world the Goldmerch riot was going on in. It would be fun to see the manipulators cry over this.

 

 

 

It was in world 2 and mods muted the rioters quickly for spamming. Basically a riot with about 20 mad ranked members of the cc it failed :-#

 

 

 

Lulz gf noobs