The only true way to fix the broken economy

[beefstu]

The simple fix, and yes it is very simple, is not by adding more things into the game to try to stop what has been happening, but it is to take out a part of the game that fundamentally ruined it for many players: the Grand Exchange. With the Grand Exchange gone, the economy CAN NOT be a problem because prices are set based on need and not on a socialism technique. We all know that this is the only fix and the only way that anything can be fixed. Bring back the old wilderness and then all the PK'ers will be happy. There's a term you never hear anymore... PK... Those were the days. And by the way, let's be honest whoever buys money to get ahead, who cares?!? Is it any worse that they are now giving away free money? I think not.

[Mecakoto]

I love when people say, "THIS is the only way to change x to better fit the requirements of y." It's subjective and most likely not even the only way to approach a problem.

 

The Grand Exchange is here to stay. I accepted that fact a year ago. It's time that you do the same.

[Slayer_Jesse]

Da, Comrade. We should start our own socialist revolution! For the Rodina!

[Mike_Ike111]

The only thing wrong with the economy is Inflation.

 

The reason for Inflation is because of the PvP artifacts pouring pure cash into the game.

 

The solution, is to take away PvP artifacts. Not the GE.

 

 

A lot of people think Junk trading is a bad thing, and that because you can't buy an item off the GE the system is broken. Let me tell you, the grand exchange was not made for the only means of trading. If you can't get an item off the GE then there is always direct player to player interaction, or in other words Trading. If you can't get an item for the GE price, then by golly you are going to have to find another way to do so.

 

Now I'll just stop all of this right here with the truth.

 

JaGex CANNOT bring back RWT through legal obligations. If they were to, then there would be no more Runescape. People steal credit cards to create accounts in order to macro on. Those stolen credit cards get shoved up JaGex [wagon] when the owner tells the bank that their card has been used. The money they had originally been given from the stolen card has to be given back to the bank and owner. Thus, Jagex would never know how much cash they truly have because it would be bouncing from Jagex to bank to owner to all over.

[Knitewulf]

Ah my poor ignorant friend. Gold farmers were the real problem. To bring back pking RWT would come back and gold farmers would come back. Runescape made the updates because of being threatened because credit cards were being stolen.

[mervinator_9]

Wow, we tumbled down the rabbit hole fast there, huh?

 

We started by trying to fix the economy but ended up on okaying RWT. Im a tad bit disappointed we didnt make it onto bringing back the old Pest control or trying to flog some other long dead horse.

 

And while the G.E is a problem on some levels in regard to inflation, I think some people dont realise that the reason the GE price is going up is due to things outside of the G.E.

Anyway even if you took any the G.E today I think alot of the problems associated with it would still exist. The are other price data bases out there and people are oragnised enough so I think clan merchanting would still exist, and the amount of money people have would not change so prices would still be as high, they'd just be more likely to freeze imo,

 

My short sighted two cents on the problem really see another huge over haul of the pking system being the beginings of a solution.

My limited knowledge lead me to conclude that 76king and high profit PKing being a cause of inflation. However I doubt JaGex are willing to change anything Pk related as they've messed with it alot over the last couple years and upset alot of people.

[Mdeoxys]

Bring back the old wilderness and then all the PK'ers will be happy.

I facepalmed when I saw that sentence #-o .

Inflation is part of the economy, my Granddad once told me a story that he bought a house for ~8000 gulden (which is around 4000 Euro these days).

[teampots]

Bring back the old wilderness and then all the PK'ers will be happy.

I facepalmed when I saw that sentence #-o .

Inflation is part of the economy, my Granddad once told me a story that he bought a house for ~8000 gulden (which is around 4000 Euro these days).

 

 

Ahh but inflation in real economies happens over very long periods, not over the space of one year and is normally not so easily identifiable by a change in the game (in this case), for instance look at the Abyssal Whip, around June when the PK changes were implemented the price has risen and not stopped since.

 

The only thing wrong with the economy is Inflation.

 

The reason for Inflation is because of the PvP artifacts pouring pure cash into the game.

 

The solution, is to take away PvP artifacts. Not the GE.

[saywuuuut]

I was never too stoked about the GE from the start, and enjoyed the process of selling/buying more before it was released, but it's a part of the game at this point. From what I understand removing GE would still be keeping major problems.

 

It would be sweet to have the wild back to it's old form, but Jagex would never take that step. It would be a step backwards in the fight against RWT's. It sucks they had to ruin our fun, you can't really fault Jagex for that.

[Carl]

The simple fix, and yes it is very simple, is not by adding more things into the game to try to stop what has been happening, but it is to take out a part of the game that fundamentally ruined it for many players: the Grand Exchange. With the Grand Exchange gone, the economy CAN NOT be a problem because prices are set based on need and not on a socialism technique. We all know that this is the only fix and the only way that anything can be fixed. Bring back the old wilderness and then all the PK'ers will be happy. There's a term you never hear anymore... PK... Those were the days. And by the way, let's be honest whoever buys money to get ahead, who cares?!? Is it any worse that they are now giving away free money? I think not.

 

Oh wow someone just said this in a whole new topic on its own? #-o

 

I'm guessing you don't play RuneScape anymore and just ventured back to it today? Seems you've missed quite a bit. The "old" wilderness is still here, yes that's right, it's not went anywhere! What one drops upon dieing is all that's changed. Hey, you know you can still Pk? Yep! Amazing, huh. Go to one of the PvP worls and you may be able to gaze upon its awesomess. Giving away free money, you say? Oh my. People have to spend time doing something to earn something! Wow, I never would have expected that in a million years!!! Quick, hit the deck.... People did buy money, thousands of people. And it got them ahead, by a large amount.

This thread ought to be locked, it's so pointless.

[Ts_Stormrage]

Go read this week's Tip.It Times please...

Link is in my Sig...

[Harakiri]

First of all, learn how to spell "necessary" because a sure sign a rant fails is when you can't even spell your title out.

 

 

The simple fix, and yes it is very simple, is not by adding more things into the game to try to stop what has been happening, but it is to take out a part of the game that fundamentally ruined it for many players: the Grand Exchange.

Please, your words have sucked me in, elaborate.

 

With the Grand Exchange gone, the economy CAN NOT be a problem because prices are set based on need and not on a socialism technique.

Of course, so with the Grand Exchange gone the whole game will be better. No, the GE might create rising and falling prices and be making the economy an ever-changing thing, but I would rather watch the prices rise and fall on stuff, its a parallel to the real world. You know, the world you should try to live in.

 

We all know that this is the only fix and the only way that anything can be fixed.

Instantly assume we will all agree that this is the only way to fix the problem, give yourself the gratification of thinking your idea is smart.

 

Bring back the old wilderness and then all the PK'ers will be happy.

Apparently you have never heard of RWTing. The thing that got rid of the wild? Don't blame Jagex for the loss of the wild, blame the people who caused you to lose it. Untrustworthy players used the game as a means to make money, and so because of that the community suffered, not just as a punishment, but so Jagex didn't have to stop making the game.

 

There's a term you never hear anymore... PK...

You apparently haven't spent time trolling the Tip.It Forums Rants Forum.

 

Those were the days.

Oh, the days when there were scammers, autoers, and PKers waiting for you at the wilderness agility course. Yup, those were the days.

 

And by the way, let's be honest whoever buys money to get ahead, who cares?!? Is it any worse that they are now giving away free money? I think not.

Come back to the forum when you have a basic understanding of what was going on.

All in all, your rant is stupid and not even a rant. It's more of a "JAGFLAX, I KNOW HOW TO SAVE GMAE!"

No, you don't. Quit whining.

[Aiel]

In my opinion, I would much rather spend 2m extra for an item then to stand around for an hour, constantly typing to try and get it for the price I wanted. All though inflation and merchanting clans are a problem, they are not based in the GE, and I think jagex could go a long way to stop both of these if they simply stated that merchant clans and 76king tricking was against the rules.

[Youmu]

Beefstu, you are just like Eatrunearrow. You rant about things that are gone, yet you never think about any of the major problems that caused them to be removed.

 

In this case, it is RWT. If Jagex did not take action, Runescape will be ruined.

 

Still butthurt? Well, there is GE to replace Trading, and Bounty and PvP worlds to replace old PKing.

 

The GE is better, because you don't have to stand there all day saying "buying law rune 1k!". Instead, you can just leave your offer there, and go train something else atm. My 100 hard leather bodies are still waiting to be sold in the GE, so I don't have to care about them until they get sold. Bounty/PvP worlds are also better, because... well, I just think that system is better.

[quelmotz]

Another eatrunearrow wannabe. :roll:

 

"Realistic and necessiry (and its spelled necessary)" my foot.

 

Please. If you're going to criticise something, at least get your freaking facts straight, because no one is going to listen to an idiot who spouts nonsense and gives no data to back up your claims.

 

The Grand Exchange IS NOT THE FREAKING PROBLEM. I don't understand why so many ignorant idiots think so. It's because of inflation, and just because of a more convenient way of trading, inflation is a must? Obviously not. Your logic is ridiculously flawed. Just because the Grand Exchange happened to be an update on the day of the anti-RWT updates, you assume it is the problem for everything that has gone wrong with RuneScape.

[Youmu]

I have a feeling that Beefstu will leave tip.it and ignore the forums just like what Eatrunearrow did with his rant. <_<

 

But who cares, it's worth the post count. :thumbup:

[langer]

This rant is yet another proof that you don't need an IQ test to have access to the internet.

We should just create a sticky for all the rants made by children.

[Youmu]

This rant is yet another proof that you don't need an IQ test to have access to the internet.

We should just create a sticky for all the rants made by children.

Nah, I think that they should just create their own topics so we can remember those idiots and laugh at them in the future. :roll:

[Fools_Taco]

change PvP so you can ONLY get an artifact worth up to 2x what the person you killed had on them. Boom influx of gold has been slowed to a snales crawl. Add a money sink to the game in the form of a new skill and we have a working fix. Plug the hole and make a drain its simple.

 

NO FIX WILL EVER WORK UNLESS THE 76k TRICK IS FIXED. Say that line 100x. Im getting sick of all the useless suggestions.

[Lielac]

Ooohhh, GE has 'fundamentally ruined' the game? Sure it has. My cash pile, ability to get much-needed items, and time to do stuff I WANTED to do most certainly didn't all jump a few levels within the first week of the GE's addition. I most certainly didn't get my first set of rune armor within the GE's first month, I definitely don't have the ability to do something else while also buying needed items. In fact, with the addition of the GE, things have only gotten WORSE in terms of ease of playing.

 

... Do I really need to add the </sarc>?

 

The problem is not the GE. The problem is 76king. The problem is the fact that you can get over 65 times the amount your victim was risking. The problem is that less people are skilling or monster hunting for their gold, causing supply to decrease, more people want to buy high-end items, causing demand to increase, and many people are 76king and therefore are willing to pay more, causing prices to rise even more than a simple supply/demand shift would do.

 

AND raw materials aren't rising as fast as rarer items, so skillers are left behind and will eventually be forced to 76k if they want to catch up, which makes the situation worse.

[Dirkmetal]

Oh, my favorite kind pf thread! The kind where the OP says something obviously wrong to get people to argue, then you never see them post in the thread again. What is making threads like that called again?

 

OT: GE is fine, inflation is the problem. Inflation would still be the way it is, even if the GE was never made.

[Lielac]

Oh, my favorite kind pf thread! The kind where the OP says something obviously wrong to get people to argue, then you never see them post in the thread again. What is making threads like that called again?

 

OT: GE is fine, inflation is the problem. Inflation would still be the way it is, even if the GE was never made.

 

:oops: But it's so much FUN getting my opinions down in typing, even if it's because successful troll is successfully trolling!

 

OT: Amen, brotha.

[Adam007]

The game is broken? Have no fear, at least you don't have a bunch of level 3's all doing the same thing running around.

[Lielac]

^Indeed. Little bald men in green pants!

[KingDodongo]

Yep, that's right, just undo 3 or so years of work. That'll fix everything!