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I myself am a level 94 Slayer and was absolutely gutted when I saw the fire cape requirement. Since the update I have tried twice to obtain one and both times failed when I got to TzTok-Jad. I've resolved to try the Fight Caves every Wednesday until I get it.

 

However, I agree with the Fire Cape requirement, I'm glad I've finally been pushed towards getting the cape, and when I finally get it, it'll feel great when I get my first Ice Strykewyrm task. Also I'm slightly worried that the compromise they introduce will diminish the value of the Staff of Light because I'm looking forward to getting a fair bit of $$$ when I finally get one as a drop.


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I don't mind a challenge but I also don't think this is the proper place for one.

 

In my opinion, this situation is like asking someone to solo Bandos to be able to kill spiritual mages. It can be done by almost anyone given time and luck, but whats the point? Just to make something harder for the sake of making it harder? IMO 93 slayer is already hard enough to achieve.

 

Ya, the fire and ice concept makes sense, but I see no reason to require people to use a fire cape. The cape should simply make the task easier and give an advantage, not a requirement. As I mentioned in the other thread letting people with firecape's deal double damage would be a way to give a clear advantage by speeding up the task, but not required to do the task.

 

I don't see what the big issue is with changing the fire cape requirement. Why are people complaining about it being removed? Is it *that* bad of an issue to make something slightly more accessible to people who already have the slayer level to kill the creatures? Its not like you are letting people with 60 slayer go up and kill the things. If someone had a logical reason for making dark beasts killable without completing ME:II would you really be *that* upset about it?

 

I don't think many would complain about removing the requirement for using only leaf bladed/broad equipment on Turroths. So why are you complaining about them possibly removing the firecape on wyrms?

 

But, you see, we DISAGREE with you.93 slayer is easy enough. This makes the SOL and iceys more exclusive. Which is why they cant be camped.


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Compromise:

 

"If you do not have a Fire Cape, you will have to do a sliding puzzle after each kill, much like the ones from Level 3 Cluescrolls."

 

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But, you see, we DISAGREE with you.93 slayer is easy enough. This makes the SOL and iceys more exclusive. Which is why they cant be camped.

 

I'm aware you disagree with me, but there are just as many that agree with me that disagree. I have 2 firecape's myself, so don't think i'm saying this just so I don't have to get the cape to kill them.

 

I would not say 93 slayer is easy at all. If it was easy, Why don't I have 93 slayer yet? Only about 17,000 people have 93 slayer. That's what, less than 1% of the Runescape population?

 

"Which is why they cant be camped."

The fact they can only be killed on assignment is what prevents them from being camped and keeps them exclusive, not the firecape requirement.

 

Like I said, the requirement is only making it harder for the sake of making it harder. I'm not trying to troll, but please at least understand the other point of view before you dismiss it as being un-important.

 

I understand the requirement is there for a reason, but I also don't feel a problem with they were to remove it either. If they want to remove it, they should be able to without people complaining about it. There is no reason to complain about it.

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I'm not a 93 slayer nor do i have a firecape yet, but I don't think that the requirement to have a firecape to kill them is unfair. If you can "grind" to 93 slayer then you should be able to spend a couple hours to get a firecape. However, since they did say they were going to change it, I think they should do one of 2 things:

 

1. They should either make very few (maybe 2 or 3) available to kill outside the area they're in now that don't drop staffs.

 

Or...

 

2. They should allow those without a firecape into the caves to kill the icewyrms, but with a significantly lowered drop rate of the SoL and reduced damage done to the icewyms.

 

Just my take on the issue though <_<


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How dumb is it to say that being uncampable is part of making them exclusive, but not needing a fire cape isn't? ANYTHING which makes them harder, more quests to get too, etc, makes them more exclusive.


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How dumb is it to say that being uncampable is part of making them exclusive, but not needing a fire cape isn't? ANYTHING which makes them harder, more quests to get too, etc, makes them more exclusive.

 

Why do they even need to be exclusive? So lucky slayers can get their hands on them and horde them to jack up their prices?


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How dumb is it to say that being uncampable is part of making them exclusive, but not needing a fire cape isn't? ANYTHING which makes them harder, more quests to get too, etc, makes them more exclusive.

 

Why do they even need to be exclusive? So lucky slayers can get their hands on them and horde them to jack up their prices?

 

That would be merchants. Of course, slayers probably do their share of hoarding as well. :roll:

 

They should drop eventually and be buyable in the GE soon enough, though. A slayer told me that he can get them often enough and that they aren't that rare to get as a drop.


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How dumb is it to say that being uncampable is part of making them exclusive, but not needing a fire cape isn't? ANYTHING which makes them harder, more quests to get too, etc, makes them more exclusive.

 

Why do they even need to be exclusive? So lucky slayers can get their hands on them and horde them to jack up their prices?

 

That would be merchants. Of course, slayers probably do their share of hoarding as well. :roll:

 

They should drop eventually and be buyable in the GE soon enough, though. A slayer told me that he can get them often enough and that they aren't that rare to get as a drop.

 

And how do merchants get the staff? From slayers that don't think, oh hey a new item time to sell on ge, they think about how much they can squeeze out of it via junk trading


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ok so after reading all this only thing i can say is WOW...

I spent 3 days getting stupid firecape to get iceworm tasks..... then after 50+ tasks i only get 3 and no staff...

over 5 desert tasks no focus...3 jungle no hex....

 

ok so my point is people are lazy i was lazy i complained about firecape cuz i didnt wana take time to do waves. I could easialy beat jad just whenever i failed i complained and said it was to hard. Jad wasent so bad around the 5th try its more of staying calm and focused more than skill... i mean im so sick of people saying.. your 93 slay blah blah hes should be easy?

1. no.... jad needs range for him to be easy, i know plenty of high levels who have low range.

2. what dose having max skills or high skills have to do with looking at a monster and changing prays? nothing

3. only benifit from having high levels is making waves go faster and less item use...

 

Firecape should stay a requirement becuse it is easy to get if you keep at it and learn the ropes

 

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Im disappointed with Jagex.

 

They caved in to people wanting a drop worth as much as an AGS who cant even kill Jad. :thumbdown:

 

Slayer lvls alone do not make you worthy of such a drop.

 

Idc if i get flame for this post, either raise those worms to boss monster difficulty or keep the cape...

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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.


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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.

 

last i heard it was that much.

 

But the point remains at 50mil still. Its inconstant with other content. Why kill high hitting dangerous boss monsters when you can afk your way to 93 slayer and get your 50mil staff with no effort. Because obviously it takes no concentration or fighting skills if the 50 year olds on the forums are complaining that Jad is too hard...

 

True its going to drop, but personally i think the cape is the only thing that justified the reward

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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.

 

last i heard it was that much.

 

But the point remains at 50mil still. Its inconstant with other content. Why kill high hitting dangerous boss monsters when you can afk your way to 93 slayer and get your 50mil staff with no effort. Because obviously it takes no concentration or fighting skills if the 50 year olds on the forums are complaining that Jad is too hard...

 

True its going to drop, but personally i think the cape is the only thing that justified the reward

 

Jad isn't hard. It's impossible if your connection isn't the best or if your computer is older. Jagex stands by making runescape a game where any computer with any specs and any OS can play, and I don't think it's right if they are bringing out content that goes against that standard. Jad is already a bad piece of content because of this issue, and not to mention the only fun part about the fight caves is the fight with Jad, though the 2 hours to get with him is hell and is constant click and wait fighting. Personally I say Jagex should fix fight caves but that's a whole different story.


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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.

 

last i heard it was that much.

 

But the point remains at 50mil still. Its inconstant with other content. Why kill high hitting dangerous boss monsters when you can afk your way to 93 slayer and get your 50mil staff with no effort. Because obviously it takes no concentration or fighting skills if the 50 year olds on the forums are complaining that Jad is too hard...

 

True its going to drop, but personally i think the cape is the only thing that justified the reward

 

Jad isn't hard. It's impossible if your connection isn't the best or if your computer is older. Jagex stands by making runescape a game where any computer with any specs and any OS can play, and I don't think it's right if they are bringing out content that goes against that standard. Jad is already a bad piece of content because of this issue, and not to mention the only fun part about the fight caves is the fight with Jad, though the 2 hours to get with him is hell and is constant click and wait fighting. Personally I say Jagex should fix fight caves but that's a whole different story.

 

Perhaps make it to where you can opt to "get another shot at TzTok-Jad" by speaking with the guard in front of the entrance to the Fight Caves? If you've made it to Jad before and lost, you would be able to skip the easy stuff that takes 2 hours to do. Would make it less likely to lose your connection if you can get it down with faster.

 

I don't have a fire cape myself since my Internet connection can be unreliable. It seems to disconnect more while on RuneScape... When just browsing the web, it seems to be fine on the most part.


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To play the devil's advocate, you don't have to wait 2 hours before getting to the boss fight in the God Wars Dungeon.

 

In Fight Caves, you can lose your progress if you disconnect in the middle of a wave. You get kicked out and have to start all over again.


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Who said it is worth as much as an AGS (125m)?

 

The street price of the Staff of Light is only about 50 million now. It's also still hyped, so I don't expect it to stay at that price forever.

 

last i heard it was that much.

 

But the point remains at 50mil still. Its inconstant with other content. Why kill high hitting dangerous boss monsters when you can afk your way to 93 slayer and get your 50mil staff with no effort. Because obviously it takes no concentration or fighting skills if the 50 year olds on the forums are complaining that Jad is too hard...

 

True its going to drop, but personally i think the cape is the only thing that justified the reward

 

Jad isn't hard. It's impossible if your connection isn't the best or if your computer is older. Jagex stands by making runescape a game where any computer with any specs and any OS can play, and I don't think it's right if they are bringing out content that goes against that standard. Jad is already a bad piece of content because of this issue, and not to mention the only fun part about the fight caves is the fight with Jad, though the 2 hours to get with him is hell and is constant click and wait fighting. Personally I say Jagex should fix fight caves but that's a whole different story.

 

 

I understand that your connection might be bad on an older computer. However you wouldnt expect to kill Bandos solo like that, why should you expect such a reward otherwise.

 

Fixing the fight caves to stop the fighting if you dc is a good suggestion though. But connection is half the issue. Most of the complaints were from older players who cant think fast enough to switch prayers. Im going to sound rude i know but IM SORRY NOT ALL CONTENT IS FOR YOU if your not in the best condition to play. Not everyone can do the same thing for months straight. And not everyone can handle the fast paced heavy damage pvp fights.

 

Also in my opinion the rewards fit the play style. Boss monsters and pvp offer the chance at a high reward isntantly, while skillers tend to make a little bit here and there over long ammounts of time.

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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?


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To play the devil's advocate, you don't have to wait 2 hours before getting to the boss fight in the God Wars Dungeon.

 

In Fight Caves, you can lose your progress if you disconnect in the middle of a wave. You get kicked out and have to start all over again.

 

 

For the people saying they have issues with reflexes and/or internet connection (and advocating the idea of 'time should be able to solve everything in RuneScape'), even if you remove the 2 hours of grinding prior to seeing Jad, they won't be able to beat it anyway, so what makes this point a legitimate argument?


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To play the devil's advocate, you don't have to wait 2 hours before getting to the boss fight in the God Wars Dungeon.

 

In Fight Caves, you can lose your progress if you disconnect in the middle of a wave. You get kicked out and have to start all over again.

 

 

For the people saying they have issues with reflexes and/or internet connection (and advocating the idea of 'time should be able to solve everything in RuneScape'), even if you remove the 2 hours of grinding prior to seeing Jad, they won't be able to beat it anyway, so what makes this point a legitimate argument?

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this. Only half the issue is connection.

 

This is mainly about adult players on the RSOF complaining that they can make it to jad but cant kill him. And honestly if they cant handle Jad they dont deserve free mills. (sorry im saying the same thing over again but im trying to beat this logic into peoples heads)

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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.


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Very disappointing. No reason why people can't get a cape if they have 93 slay

 

I can name one reason: Laggy connections. Its the one main reason i will never attain a fire cape,,, (untill of coure better pc or internt, both i have to pay for comes along)

 

But i, Personally don't care otherwise, just that post above bugged me

And what's stopping you from going to a friend's house? A library?

 

Sigh this is gonna turn into the new should f2p get skill capes debate isn't it?

 

For one you might be in the country where everyones internet connection is the same, if they have any at all.

 

2nd, just personally but the nearest library is a 3 hr round trip.

 

not everyone lives in a city where you can have anything in a 10 minute walk.

Though most people live in a city where they could just go and get themselves a better internet connection, solving not only this Jad issue but also other issues they will have had with surfing/browsing on the internet.


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