Fire cape compromise. New post by Mod Chris L.

[Carl]

I'm happy with this comprimise, while I don't have the Slayer requirement at all for other people who truly cannot obtain the cape I am very happy for. I've friends who play on dial up, and cannot fight any "boss" monsters, can't go to GWD etc due to their internet connection. So why should not being able to obtain the cape mean they can't fight a new slayer monster?

 

Funny how there's people ranting about this, when people are ranting about Pvp updates which do nothing positive for the game (Taken a look at the economy lately?) there's hardly any ranting. Now..? You shouldn't be complaining at all. There's a new slayer monster, people need to be happy for once instead of nitpicking. No other monsters in the game have such a requirement, why should these?

 

Chickens require no specific equipment, levels, teams, etc, etc. Why should GWD require any of those things? Why should the Corporeal Beast? Your argument is flawed. This is how dangerous precedents are set, like the one that was set today by Mod Chris L.

 

I think it's safe to say that we will never see another monster that requires anything more than the necessary levels to fight. I wont be surprised if every GWD boss is changed to only attack with melee. We wouldn't want the poor players to have to actually PREPARE for them, would we?

 

Users can be assigned these as tasks, currently, without firecapes? (Can you confirm, or someone?) Why should they have to skip the task and lose their Task streak or whatever it's called because it's not humanly possible for them to obtain an item unless they pay money for broadband or something? Users can choose not to go to GWD, Corporeal Beast etc. But here, they can't just choose. It's a ridiculous requirement, and in my eyes, was since the beginning. Not everyone wishes to sit in a combat situation for 2 hours fighting beasts hoping their connection isn't lost.

[stonewall337]

Well, the thing is if this was only for players who really CANT get the fire cape, I wouldn't mind as much. But about the only way to make sure of this would be to require failing AT JAD, not before, 5+ times. Since Jagex won't do that, people will just be lazy and go around it.

[Obtaurian]

I'm happy with this comprimise, while I don't have the Slayer requirement at all for other people who truly cannot obtain the cape I am very happy for. I've friends who play on dial up, and cannot fight any "boss" monsters, can't go to GWD etc due to their internet connection. So why should not being able to obtain the cape mean they can't fight a new slayer monster?

 

Funny how there's people ranting about this, when people are ranting about Pvp updates which do nothing positive for the game (Taken a look at the economy lately?) there's hardly any ranting. Now..? You shouldn't be complaining at all. There's a new slayer monster, people need to be happy for once instead of nitpicking. No other monsters in the game have such a requirement, why should these?

 

Chickens require no specific equipment, levels, teams, etc, etc. Why should GWD require any of those things? Why should the Corporeal Beast? Your argument is flawed. This is how dangerous precedents are set, like the one that was set today by Mod Chris L.

 

I think it's safe to say that we will never see another monster that requires anything more than the necessary levels to fight. I wont be surprised if every GWD boss is changed to only attack with melee. We wouldn't want the poor players to have to actually PREPARE for them, would we?

 

Users can be assigned these as tasks, currently, without firecapes? (Can you confirm, or someone?) Why should they have to skip the task and lose their Task streak or whatever it's called because it's not humanly possible for them to obtain an item unless they pay money for broadband or something? Users can choose not to go to GWD, Corporeal Beast etc. But here, they can't just choose. It's a ridiculous requirement, and in my eyes, was since the beginning. Not everyone wishes to sit in a combat situation for 2 hours fighting beasts hoping their connection isn't lost.

 

Players were not able to be assigned ice wyrms unless they owned a fire cape. Players who were not "able" (which is complete bull) to get a fire cape did not have to worry about their task streaks being compromised. Like GWD and the Corp Beast, ice wyrms were a choice.

[Carl]

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I'm happy with this comprimise, while I don't have the Slayer requirement at all for other people who truly cannot obtain the cape I am very happy for. I've friends who play on dial up, and cannot fight any "boss" monsters, can't go to GWD etc due to their internet connection. So why should not being able to obtain the cape mean they can't fight a new slayer monster?

 

Funny how there's people ranting about this, when people are ranting about Pvp updates which do nothing positive for the game (Taken a look at the economy lately?) there's hardly any ranting. Now..? You shouldn't be complaining at all. There's a new slayer monster, people need to be happy for once instead of nitpicking. No other monsters in the game have such a requirement, why should these?

 

Chickens require no specific equipment, levels, teams, etc, etc. Why should GWD require any of those things? Why should the Corporeal Beast? Your argument is flawed. This is how dangerous precedents are set, like the one that was set today by Mod Chris L.

 

I think it's safe to say that we will never see another monster that requires anything more than the necessary levels to fight. I wont be surprised if every GWD boss is changed to only attack with melee. We wouldn't want the poor players to have to actually PREPARE for them, would we?

 

Users can be assigned these as tasks, currently, without firecapes? (Can you confirm, or someone?) Why should they have to skip the task and lose their Task streak or whatever it's called because it's not humanly possible for them to obtain an item unless they pay money for broadband or something? Users can choose not to go to GWD, Corporeal Beast etc. But here, they can't just choose. It's a ridiculous requirement, and in my eyes, was since the beginning. Not everyone wishes to sit in a combat situation for 2 hours fighting beasts hoping their connection isn't lost.

 

Players were not able to be assigned ice wyrms unless they owned a fire cape. Players who were not "able" (which is complete bull) to get a fire cape did not have to worry about their task streaks being compromised. Like GWD and the Corp Beast, ice wyrms were a choice.

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Alright, thanks for claring that little bit up. I still do not agree with it. It's not complete "bull" that they can't complete it, I've given an example above of some personal friends who I know can't enter any dangerous situations, let alone spend 2 hours in one hoping not to disconnect!! I don't see why they should be put at a clear disadvantage because they can't do it.

[Obtaurian]

 

Alright, thanks for claring that little bit up. I still do not agree with it. It's not complete "bull" that they can't complete it, I've given an example above of some personal friends who I know can't enter any dangerous situations, let alone spend 2 hours in one hoping not to disconnect!! I don't see why they should be put at a clear disadvantage because they can't do it.

 

It has been suggested many times by many players that those who do not have fast internet connections are more than able to relocate to an internet café or a library.

[Bladewing]

You can kill ice wyrms without a fire cape. You just have to use a cannon.

[Den]

Users can be assigned these as tasks, currently, without firecapes? (Can you confirm, or someone?) Why should they have to skip the task and lose their Task streak or whatever it's called because it's not humanly possible for them to obtain an item unless they pay money for broadband or something? Users can choose not to go to GWD, Corporeal Beast etc. But here, they can't just choose. It's a ridiculous requirement, and in my eyes, was since the beginning. Not everyone wishes to sit in a combat situation for 2 hours fighting beasts hoping their connection isn't lost.

 

Carl, the whole point here is people whined because they couldnt get them assigned without a fire cape. They couldnt kill them without a fire cape. They couldnt get their drops without a fire cape.

 

You only get them as tasks IF you allready had the fire cape from before. If you didnt have the cape, you didnt get them as tasks. But since some people without fire cape and 93 slayer seem to think they should be get all slayer updates no matter what other requirements they hold, Jagex decided to nerf them.

 

People were whining and ranting about needing a fire cape, now most people with a fire cape and 93 slayer, plus everyone who wants a challenge, is ranting because Jagex gave in to whiners in the first round.

The difference is this is how it will be now and there is nothing anyone can do to change it.

I cant remember Jagex ever buffing something back to how it was originaly after nerfing it.

 

They could have been working on something else instead of using time on something that was never broken. <_<

[toast647]

You honestly fail if you can't get a fire cape.

[Obtaurian]

You honestly fail if you can't get a fire cape.

 

This.

[viralaether]

You honestly fail if you can't get a fire cape.

 

This.

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[joker2022]

Players were not able to be assigned ice wyrms unless they owned a fire cape. Players who were not "able" (which is complete bull) to get a fire cape did not have to worry about their task streaks being compromised. Like GWD and the Corp Beast, ice wyrms were a choice.

 

 

Its not complete bull. Mommy and Daddy didn't buy my computer, so it's not lightening fast.

[Crimsoncow42]

This could be a stupid question....but are you sure that it will be a one time buy for this? The way I read it, everyone will be able to get this task, but if you do not have a fire cape, you have to buy an 'ability' to kill them for that task. Kind of like a temporary fire enchantment. I think this would be the thing to keep it in check, and make people really want to get the fire cape. In some cases, they would HAVE to get the fire cape, because they do not have the slayer points to buy the ability. Or the slayer master would check if you have enough points to buy it before you get assigned them, but who knows. I think this would work a lot better than just a one time buy that unlocks the task for everyone.

 

If it is just a one time buy, unlock it, then yeah, I can see the issue here. No matter how expensive they make it, it will never be as hard as getting a fire cape. I can grind anything out, even 93 slayer and 5k points, but hell if I had the abilities to get a fire cape.

 

This is what I was thinking as well. A one time buy that requires you to spend slayer points each time you get assigned the strykewyrms.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Den, technically speaking, nothing got nerfed. Wyrms are just as easy/hard as they ever were. This only opened up the amount of people that can fight them. Also, the +4 damage is on the player, not the monster, so while you can kill them easier, they aren't easier to kill as a whole, just on your end. And for people without a cape ,they are harder to kill, if only slightly because of their max hit.

 

Again, the compromise isn't the issue here. It's the reason why it came about, something I'd like to see acknowledged.

[Carl]

 

Alright, thanks for claring that little bit up. I still do not agree with it. It's not complete "bull" that they can't complete it, I've given an example above of some personal friends who I know can't enter any dangerous situations, let alone spend 2 hours in one hoping not to disconnect!! I don't see why they should be put at a clear disadvantage because they can't do it.

 

It has been suggested many times by many players that those who do not have fast internet connections are more than able to relocate to an internet café or a library.

 

Yes, because a middle-aged woman/man is going to feel comfortable sitting in their local library taking up a computer for two hours, which people genuinely may need, to play a "childs game", as many brand it. Right.

 

I'm not going to discuss this any further, as what I'm saying is "falling on deaf ears", my whole point is being missed. Not everyone has 2 hours with a stable internet connection to get through the caves without dying.

 

Going by my own personal experience where I had not got a stable internet for more than minutes at a time or atleast 6 months, nothing was really possible in-game. Fight caves would have been utter madness.

[meb]

This really makes me mad. +4 damage is nothing when your spells are hitting 80s.

 

Its not complete bull. Mommy and Daddy didn't buy my computer, so it's not lightening fast.

Go to an internet cafe. And if your computer can't properly run Runescape you really should upgrade.

 

You honestly fail if you can't get a fire cape.

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[Obtaurian]

Yes, because a middle-aged woman/man is going to feel comfortable sitting in their local library taking up a computer for two hours, which people genuinely may need, to play a "childs game", as many brand it. Right.

 

I'm not going to discuss this any further, as what I'm saying is "falling on deaf ears", my whole point is being missed. Not everyone has 2 hours with a stable internet connection to get through the caves without dying.

 

Going by my own personal experience where I had not got a stable internet for more than minutes at a time or atleast 6 months, nothing was really possible in-game. Fight caves would have been utter madness.

 

If they're not willing to play Runescape in a public place, they must not really want that fire cape badly enough. Unless you live in the Amazon rain forest and you've built your computer out of twigs and animals bones, you probably live close enough to a library or café with decent enough internet access to complete the caves.

[Dire_Wolf]

I can assure you that my internet connection was so unstable at times, that every 30 to 1 minute i disconnected (or the internet totally went). Which then took around 4 minute to regain connection and get connected back into the game.

 

It's hard doing Fight cave without a good connection, but honestly those who have bad connection should just find somewhere else to do Fight cave or try with their current connection.

[Den]

Den, technically speaking, nothing got nerfed. Wyrms are just as easy/hard as they ever were. This only opened up the amount of people that can fight them. Also, the +4 damage is on the player, not the monster, so while you can kill them easier, they aren't easier to kill as a whole, just on your end. And for people without a cape ,they are harder to kill, if only slightly because of their max hit.

 

Again, the compromise isn't the issue here. It's the reason why it came about, something I'd like to see acknowledged.

 

Fair enough, and true.

Im just mad because they gave in, its my whole issue here.

As long as they keep giving in, the ranting wont stop. It proves that whining about something long enough will eventualy get it that way, as long as it doesnt have anything to do with RWTing.

 

I wish they would just leave content how it was added and not change it a week or two later.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

 

Alright, thanks for claring that little bit up. I still do not agree with it. It's not complete "bull" that they can't complete it, I've given an example above of some personal friends who I know can't enter any dangerous situations, let alone spend 2 hours in one hoping not to disconnect!! I don't see why they should be put at a clear disadvantage because they can't do it.

 

It has been suggested many times by many players that those who do not have fast internet connections are more than able to relocate to an internet café or a library.

 

Yes, because a middle-aged woman/man is going to feel comfortable sitting in their local library taking up a computer for two hours, which people genuinely may need, to play a "childs game", as many brand it. Right.

 

I'm not going to discuss this any further, as what I'm saying is "falling on deaf ears", my whole point is being missed. Not everyone has 2 hours with a stable internet connection to get through the caves without dying.

 

Going by my own personal experience where I had not got a stable internet for more than minutes at a time or atleast 6 months, nothing was really possible in-game. Fight caves would have been utter madness.

 

Carl, shall we leave the topic together before we're told to go to a library or cafe? :roll:

[Zepheras]

 

Alright, thanks for claring that little bit up. I still do not agree with it. It's not complete "bull" that they can't complete it, I've given an example above of some personal friends who I know can't enter any dangerous situations, let alone spend 2 hours in one hoping not to disconnect!! I don't see why they should be put at a clear disadvantage because they can't do it.

 

It has been suggested many times by many players that those who do not have fast internet connections are more than able to relocate to an internet café or a library.

 

Yes, because a middle-aged woman/man is going to feel comfortable sitting in their local library taking up a computer for two hours, which people genuinely may need, to play a "childs game", as many brand it. Right.

 

I'm not going to discuss this any further, as what I'm saying is "falling on deaf ears", my whole point is being missed. Not everyone has 2 hours with a stable internet connection to get through the caves without dying.

 

Going by my own personal experience where I had not got a stable internet for more than minutes at a time or atleast 6 months, nothing was really possible in-game. Fight caves would have been utter madness.

 

If they're not willing to play Runescape in a public place, they must not really want that fire cape badly enough. Unless you live in the Amazon rain forest and you've built your computer out of twigs and animals bones, you probably live close enough to a library or café with decent enough internet access to complete the caves.

 

I lol'ed at this IRL.

 

That being said, I wondering how your friends can handle the burrow attack that deals 30 damage when you don't respond in time. :shock:

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Rav, don't forget they also said it was for people who don't have the reflex timing to do the Fight Caves. Boy I bet that will just makespeople angrier.

[Zepheras]

Rav, don't forget they also said it was for people who don't have the reflex timing to do the Fight Caves. Boy I bet that will just makespeople angrier.

 

I'm glad that Jagex is taking care of the needs of the less-abled. However, I'm angry of that fact that this means sacrificing the needs of the majority of the players: Elite content.

 

I'm even angrier with the fact that that there's no way with verify who's needing this update, but everyone would be taking advantage of it anyway. Like someone said, at least give a token to someone who dies at Jad, and exchange that 10 (or more, MORE) tokens for the right to fight strykewyrms. If you're willing to die at Jad that many times, due to whatever your issue is (or wasting resources without putting up a fight), I'll give in to you.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Rav, don't forget they also said it was for people who don't have the reflex timing to do the Fight Caves. Boy I bet that will just makespeople angrier.

 

I'm glad that Jagex is taking care of the needs of the less-abled. However, I'm angry of that fact that this means sacrificing the needs of the majority of the players: Elite content.

 

I'm even angrier with the fact that that there's no way with verify who's needing this update, but everyone would be taking advantage of it anyway. Like someone said, at least give a token to someone who dies at Jad, and exchange that 10 (or more, MORE) tokens for the right to fight strykewyrms. If you're willing to die at Jad that many times, due to whatever your issue is (or wasting resources without putting up a fight), I'll give in to you.

 

Well, if you want to know, I'd need this update. If I had 93 slayer, I wouldn't be able to do the Fight Caves. I talked to Chris L about it and when he lists the reflexitive issues, he's likely talking about me.

 

Also, let's not discuss the issues with rights of the majority and the minority. That'll take us down a road no one really wants to go down at this time.

[joker2022]

Rav, don't forget they also said it was for people who don't have the reflex timing to do the Fight Caves. Boy I bet that will just makespeople angrier.

 

I'm glad that Jagex is taking care of the needs of the less-abled. However, I'm angry of that fact that this means sacrificing the needs of the majority of the players: Elite content.

 

I'm even angrier with the fact that that there's no way with verify who's needing this update, but everyone would be taking advantage of it anyway. Like someone said, at least give a token to someone who dies at Jad, and exchange that 10 (or more, MORE) tokens for the right to fight strykewyrms. If you're willing to die at Jad that many times, due to whatever your issue is (or wasting resources without putting up a fight), I'll give in to you.

 

 

People that are disabled do play runescape...

[Carl]

Carl, shall we leave the topic together before we're told to go to a library or cafe? :roll:

 

Haha, well, yes I think that may be what we'll have to do. Even though my internet's not bad, my slayer level is (But I don't care for that, I care for the people who genuinely are unable to do this.)

 

If they're not willing to play Runescape in a public place, they must not really want that fire cape badly enough. Unless you live in the Amazon rain forest and you've built your computer out of twigs and animals bones, you probably live close enough to a library or café with decent enough internet access to complete the caves.

 

You will have seen posted on this forum many-a-time, that RuneScape as a whole is people's "dirty little secret". Now I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go to an internet café or my local library to play RuneScape. And I'm better, neither would you. But you find it so easy to tell others to do it. I don't think in a library they'll even give you 2 hours to play a game when many people use the library because they have no internet access at all. Not just because their internet is bad. And what's to say the library's not dial-up? Or extremely bad broadband? Not every place is perfect.

 

I don't understand the whole problem here, at all. What if they released this monster, say just like the current Dark Beast, with just the level requirement and perhaps an easy quest to access it without this whole firecape shenanigan. People would not be ranting because it's too easy (Okay, maybe they will, but that's just for the sake of arguing..), in fact instead they would probably rant about the Slayer level requirement. I do not see this as a problem in any way. I believe only those with the fire cape are complaining, anyway. Because they got it first.. Well.. so what.